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Noted In Passing: Jordan Peterson ‘If you think we can beat Putin, you’re kidding yourself’

“Wait for the first cold snap and then turn off the tap. “

But the West can be proud that in the midst of losing Ukraine it [sarc]“saved the planet! [/sarc]”

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  • Casey Klahn September 26, 2022, 1:57 PM

    I can’t help but like some things Peterson says, but much like the news reporters at The Saturday Evening Post that Gen Patton complained about, JordanP doesn’t know any more about real war than he does about fornicating.

    A win is the obtainment of a national objective, or the denial of the enemies’ national objective, and in some measures also a win can be of a moral character – the perception of having won and having been right. We can’t say no to Putin? I could say no and here’s how: elect Trump soon, and unfuck our energy production situation. Dominate Putin in the energy sector. Now, more achievable than that, would be to begin now a Berlin Sealift of oil.

    Begin saying that phrase on every site that you comment on. “Berlin Sealift”. Put aside your partisan beliefs about who wins how and what. Get oil and natural gas to Europe this Winter.

    • Vanderleun September 26, 2022, 2:25 PM

      I get what you are saying but as I recall, and I need to go check myself on this, the Berlin Airlift was a mythic victory but its actual ability to sustain Berlin was much less successful. Indeed, I don’t think it was successful at all. But I need to update myself here. Back later.

      But waiting for that exactly how would a Sealift be done? What ports does Germany have that are set up to take in large quantities of oil and gas and distribute it to the industrial and commercial and living sectors of Germany? My impression is that Germany is organized only to accept suitable quantities of oil and gas via pipelines to the east. Rejigging distribution networks is a decades-long job. And do the raw oil supplies go to a refinery in Germany? If so is that set up to take in supplies from the sea?

      Hamburg and Lubeck and Bremerhaven seem to be the only ports large enough to take tankers (maybe) and they are all clustered close on the North Sea shore. I don’t think, given the energy shortages around the world, you are going to see some sort of seatrain of oil tankers coming from (where? our shale oil?) wherever to service German manufacturing at the cost of other nations and other needs. I also think t hat insuring tankers making those deliveries is going to become very expensive if it is at all available. Absent insurance no tanker train happens.

      As for “how to say ‘No’ to Putin,” there will be no election of Trump until November of 2024 and, if it is a win, he will not be instated until January of 2025. I tend to think the European map will be somewhat different two and a half years into the future. Indeed this current war will be long “won” or “lost” if it is played out as currently on the table.

      I’m sorry but I just don’t see “OIL FOR GERMANY!” as an effective rallying cry.

      • ThisIsNotNutella September 26, 2022, 2:37 PM

        Wielders of Words and Symbols vs. Wielders of Things.

        Both matter. We in the West, of late, have been bewitched and enslaved by Wormtongued Wielders of Words and Symbols. Even our Money is just Symbols in the world of mirrors they made. Of course the Wormtongues finagled all our Symbols to buy up all the Nice Things in the Hamptons for themselves, but who’s going to niggle about the interface between Symbols and Things… only a Nazi Symbol Thing type caricature of a sub-human Thing would do a thing like that.

        Yin / Yang. Our Words and Symbols are getting raggedy and shop-worn and Our Things… well we don’t even know how to make our own Things anymore. And we plan on Symbolic Strong Women and Trannies wielding our imaginary Things.

        I’ll bet on the Wielders of Things for the next few years. Maybe the rest of my life. Symbols will be back, of course. One day. I’m less afraid of Things. Just need to be sure it’s Our Thing.

      • Casey Klahn September 26, 2022, 4:29 PM

        Interesting about the Berlin Airlift being unsuccessful. Wouldn’t matter; the idea and the name do matter.
        Not just Germany. What are the states of build of the north-south counter lines that are meant to counter Putin? At any rate, possibly the military could truck and train throughout parts of Europe that need supply. NordStream2 has been online a year plus a few moths. What did they do before that? Is it some magic pipeline that suddenly warms everyone and then when switched off magically no oil or gas flows from anywhere?
        Berlin Sealift is a phrase for fix the freaking problem and bypass Putin.
        My head turns not on the actual shipping industry at present. I saw what happened in Long Beach and Seattle, then what has happened in Shanghai, and shake my head in amazement at the utter evil that is JoeBeeBiden. Why the shipping delays at all? Regulations? Vaccines? Containers?
        You won’t be told and I won’t either. The state of the art of global over-water supply is in the hands of madmen. Somewhere there is a Christian man who can step into L.A. and unclog everything, and probably by fiat if given the power of authority to clear out regulations, and get things moving. That I believe in. Then, get some oil to Europe.
        Timing. It takes no time at all to name the problem, and name a program. Recall how quickly Trump had our economy buzzing and humming after he took office.

        • Vanderleun September 26, 2022, 6:39 PM

          Actually, I looked into it and the Berlin Airlift was successful from both a propaganda viewpoint and from a logistical standpoint as well. The logistics was solved by an unusual general being given the job, a man of vision for getting things done. So yes, the name and idea do matter.

          At the same time we no longer have the generation of leaders in the army or the government or the people at large that we had at the time of the airlift. And leaders and words and symbols to matter now and all our tools in that bag are shoddy and worn. Worn the fuck out.

          So I don’t think there will be any significant bypassing of Putin since the sanctions and other anti-Putin gestures have put most of Europe out in the cold and I don’t see the logistical structure in place to correct that. It’s not just Germany and France and Italy and Scandanavia and the UK being cold, its the fact that their economic base is about to be blown out from under them. German heavy manu is already fading and you just don’t turn that on with the flick of a switch.

          Shipping? We don’t have enough shipping in the world to spare for Europea and to “get some oil to Europe.” Just “some” won’t do it. They need, tomorrow, the status quo ante but they ain’t going to get it.

          Italy is already shifting its political base to the right. It won’t be the last.

          There is certainly a Christian man somewhere who can step into L.A. and uclog everything. Unfortuneately his Christian Names are “Jesus H.” and he is running on his own schedule so let’s not sit on a hot stove waiting, OK. And who would you have “give power” by fiat? I’m sorry but it all seems more like prayer than a plan and even though I support prayer I can’t see it getting answered in the time it takes.

          And I have to say that I don’t recall Trump getting our economy buzzing and humming right out of the gate. Took at least two years by my reckoning and people were only really thriving and happy in 2019.

          Apres Le Trump le deluge.

          • Casey Klahn September 26, 2022, 10:01 PM

            Would you believe a reincarnate female Mussolini, making the trains run on time?

            • Vanderleun September 27, 2022, 9:00 AM

              That would be Kamala Harris and I yearn for her to assume the reigns of power.

            • Vanderleun September 27, 2022, 9:43 AM

              Ah… I see what you did there. Just because you are more cutting edge with the news t than I! Hurmph. Well, now I am all kaut up.

          • John Fisher September 27, 2022, 7:31 AM

            The Berlin airlift was headed for failure because of the combination of Berlin’s bad weather and conventional (for 1948) air traffic control. Early on the planes that missed approaches would ‘go around’ resulting in huge stacks of aircraft over Berlin and little being delivered. The Russians had assessed that an airlift would fail just on this basis alone. Some bright staffer came up with the idea that any plane that missed an approach would return to their West German base so there was no stackup over Berlin. Coupled with the rapid addition of new runways and an additional airport, this made the airlift a success.

          • Terry September 27, 2022, 8:01 AM

            My father flew C-54’s into Berlin from day one until the airlift was more or less ended. The stories he has in his memory are mind boggling. Instrument landings with the technology of the era were “sketchy” to say the least. The planes were always overloaded with whatever cargo. Logistics nightmare as well. But our fore fathers did it. The German people were very thankful.

            The current Communist government in the USA cannot accomplish ANYTHING of value. They are maggots feasting on your and my hard work.

            Is another airlift in the future? Doubtful.

  • ghostsniper September 26, 2022, 2:54 PM

    There really is no arguing that headline and people that try live in a dense fog.

  • ghostsniper September 27, 2022, 7:22 AM

    From over at Ann’s place.


    Now, to get that shit to spread everywhere.
    She has more cast iron nadz than ALL the US politicians put together.

    • Vanderleun September 27, 2022, 9:44 AM

      Thanks. Made an item from that alert.

  • David Zincavage September 27, 2022, 9:00 AM
    • Vanderleun September 27, 2022, 9:47 AM

      A solid bit of writing with a lot to recommend it. Will its prediction turn out to be the case? We are no longer in the “fog of war,” but in the “Predicting the Future” phase.

      Why just this morning we have this bit of conjecture: “Russia’s Defeat Would Be America’s Problem”


    • Mike Austin September 28, 2022, 10:03 AM

      Astounding: Every single claim and assumption in that essay is wrong. It is very high-level and sophisticated propaganda, and its authors are well-entrenched members of the Deep State. As such they will never write anything against it. “Everything in the Deep State. Nothing outside the Deep State. Nothing against the Deep Sate.”—with apologies to a certain Italian.

      Victoria Nuland and the Kagan clan would heartily approve this essay. In fact, they probably wrote it.

      • Casey Klahn September 28, 2022, 6:02 PM

        Mike, your fake news and my fake news diverge markedly. But, I try as hard as possible to apply my own observations, minus any commentary from without, to compare Russia’s outcomes and actions to the brownstream of information we receive. I also use my study of war as a philosophical and technical foundation.
        Russia failed in the first phase of the war. Disagree? Russia has made small, company-level progress in the middle phase of the war. Now, a large scale combined arms attack has pushed Russia back dramatically. Disagree with that?
        As you should know, momentum is a force multiplier in war and is critical. Russia may have rolled into Ukraine, but she never had momentum. Not once.
        I couldn’t care less if Putin is Jesus himself returning in Glory, he isn’t winning the war. The Ukrainians just more than replaced their equipment losses from their advance. They routed the Russians, and have a net gain in armaments as result.
        Say anything you like about numerical strength (on paper), Russian money and energy, nukes, or whatever. I insist that their lack of good infantry is critical to every standard point that can be made. You nuke a region, and then cannot go in to form a constabulary because your infantry are the feline organ.
        On the opposite side, you have a Ukrainian infantry so virile that the world wants to mate with them and make super babies.
        I go to hyperbole to make a point. The high-end assessments of the war at the beginning were wrong. coughs. I never saw any footage of Russians acting right in combat, except in one or two propaganda films that showed training. The authors of the one article are absolutely correct that Russian officer leadership is weak, corrupt, and lacking in organizational depth.
        OK. Checks his BP.

  • jwm September 27, 2022, 11:40 AM

    Curiuser and curiouser.
    Link to Zerohedge: two detonations above Nordstream. Deliberate actions.
    Biden said he shut it down…
    Sounds a lot like someone is begging for WWIII.



    • ghostsniper September 27, 2022, 12:36 PM

      That took away Europe’s only bargaining chip against being cold and hungry this winter.
      I wish there was a way to completely eliminate all of the gov’t-media criminals in this country without harming the non-criminal citizens. It’s most unfortunate and unfair that we have to get dragged down by these assholes. They don’t represent me! Nor have I ever authorized them to do so. They have been massive criminals all of my life.

      There may be only a few days left.


  • Jpm September 27, 2022, 6:36 PM

    From Newsweek:
    The Nord Stream 2 pipeline was completed last year, but has yet to be opened by Germany due to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in February. A few weeks prior to the start of the invasion, President Joe Biden told reporters that should Russia go through with its rumored plans for Ukraine, the U.S. would work to ensure that the pipeline would never be operational. When pressed, he did not give specifics on

  • Casey Klahn September 27, 2022, 10:51 PM

    So now we’ve heard that NS-2 was sabotaged by either: Spetsnaz, or the US Navy.
    When nothing makes any sense anymore, there you are.
    Stores condensed milk. Organizes ammo.

    Russia wants that oil pipeline to work. If this isn’t true, then the alternative truth is that they value some short-term political profit over their long term oil money. Or, they’ve concluded that the oil line business will not work given the alienation of the West and Russia. But still you need to ask why they’d scuttle their own pipeline.

    America, NATO, the EU, Germany, all want the pipeline to provide oil for Europe; or so you’d think. Well, what would be an alternate truth? Some member of those listed wants Russian oil money stopped more than they want sufficient oil to get to market. Hmm. Plausible. Evil, but possible. I don’t see a smoking gun, and whatever the truth of this supposed sabotage, the least plausible reason for any side is provocation. Provoke what? A war? The war is already on, and in my educated opinion Russia is firing on all cylinders but can’t make the grade. What more will they do after they’ve created a “provocation”? Does the West need to provoke Russia? Russia has already invaded Europe. Nuclear provocation? hmm. Doesn’t seem that cut and dried to me.
    Third actor? I’d look closely for that.What if someone has an interest in no side winning or achieving any goals in the present war?
    Anymore, I only hang around Earth to see what shit is coming down the pike next.