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People Are Defying The Shutdown

Do you have a right to leave your home? Is your private business yours by right or can the government declare it “nonessential” and shut it down?

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  • Tom Hyland April 11, 2020, 12:36 PM

    What I find particularly arrogant is the government has insisted the churches be locked. What Uncle Sam is saying essentially is this… “WHOEVER the hell you’ve been praying to… God doesn’t have a handle on the coronavirus. Your faith is worthless and dangerous in the face of this pandemic. Your faith is shit. Now stay home.”

  • jwm April 11, 2020, 12:56 PM

    I can sort of take the temperature of So Cal by looking at three sources: My Facebook feed which is almost exclusively people in the custom bicycle scene, the Facebook page from the town next to me, and the neighborhood feed on Next Door. My friends in the bike riding world are almost all saying, “Fuck this shit, I’m going riding.” (In fact I just got back from a long cruise.) I see a lot of protests, some calls for rallies defying the lockdown, and general contempt for the wannabe tyrants.
    Flip over to the “You know you grew up in LH” page which is every doofus with a television and a cell phone. There it’s everyone screaming, “Stay Home! How dare you go to the park. The television said this is an emergency, and you’re going to kill us all by not obeying the government.” I put this to heavy addiction to the TV set, and little or no reading at all.
    The local Next Door is much the same. Maybe a little worse. But this is mostly home owners, and lots of seniors. Too, most everyone has been stuck indoors from a week of rainy weather, and few people look to the internet for information. They believe what they see on channel 2,4,7, and cable news. People are tattling on one another, trying to shame anyone who isn’t hiding under the bed, and getting all indignant that someone walked down the street alone with no mask. Nonetheless, when I’m out walking or riding I see a few businesses quietly defying the ban on “non-essential business” and remaining open. The local PD, thankfully is taking a hands off position on enforcement.
    From this small sample I’d conclude that the majority here in my neck of the woods are TV sheep. They’ll do what they’re told, and shun (if not snitch out) any who might be dissidents. Not encouraging.


  • John Venlet April 11, 2020, 12:59 PM

    Tom, it’s not only individuals’ faith Uncle Sam is saying is shit, Uncle Sam and his state governors are saying each and every American is shit. Now get back in your private prison, and stay there until we say you can come out.

  • Mumblix Grumph April 11, 2020, 2:35 PM

    In Washington State, the ocean is closed. I discovered this by finding every access point blocked with State Officials in Hats giving me the stink-eye just for daring to show up.

  • ghostsniper April 11, 2020, 2:36 PM

    This scamdemic should be a lesson for sane people. Pay attention to the people that float to the top of the tyrant vat. Are you keeping a list?

  • pms April 11, 2020, 2:42 PM

    Today heard the sound of an Ice cream truck……essential….entrepreneurs…just gotta.

  • Fletcher Christian April 11, 2020, 3:07 PM

    Tom Hyland:
    A church is a building. A building full of people crammed closely together is a breeding ground for this particular plague – which is contagious by aerial transmission with a fairly short range of around 2 or 3 metres.

    So are you really saying that cramming a large number of people, of completely unknown status regarding infectivity, into a building for the purpose of listening to one person (probably male) in funny clothes droning spells at you is a good idea? Maybe you think that church premises are viricidal?

    I’d like to throw a couple of sayings from religious leaders at you.

    “God helps those who help themselves.” And:


  • Tom Hyland April 11, 2020, 4:07 PM

    Fletcher… I don’t believe anything… and least of all what the government tell us. I truly do not believe the numbers regarding the “infected” and the “dead” from this corona thing. What the govt has done is make it a crime to congregate… anywhere… so not only has the Constitution been shat upon but then the govt wiped its omnipotent ass with your religion and your faith. Those religious fanatics who deny their kid medical intervention, because they believe God will either save them or not, and then the kid dies… those folks need to be beaten within an inch of their lives. I can guarantee people who have a deep abiding faith in the Lord must be wondering right about now how sensible this exercise has been. One thing for sure, this govt decree truly makes churches unnecessary. Just stay at home and pray if you like. Then there’s that ultimate realization… everybody wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die. The Lord has a great sense of humor. It’s usually the school bus filled with church kids that goes careening of the edge of the cliff. Happened right here in Santa Fe about 20 years ago.

  • Rick April 11, 2020, 4:12 PM

    So Christians are too stupid to keep their distance in church? The government mandate informed us that we’re okay at 6’ so if there is a room of people staying 6’ from everyone else shouldn’t we be okay?

  • Tom Hyland April 11, 2020, 4:13 PM

    John Venlet… the governors of America don’t take much coaxing at all to tromp over our rights… but when you got a despicable slime like George Soros probably greasing their wallets… the governors will turn into shit-slinging apes. Have you read the latest? https://tinyurl.com/ve42ep4

  • wmprof April 11, 2020, 4:15 PM

    “Keeping a list”? Well, I started a list. Soon I was up to a million plus souls. I’m thinking I’ll need a couple neutron bombs! Swamp, media, academia, enemedia, where does it end?? Time to fire up the B-52.

  • Ruck April 11, 2020, 4:20 PM

    I guess I’m lucky. I can go pretty much anywhere I want because as a contractor I’m an essential business. I quit going to Home Depot because they only let customers in one at a time but Lowe’s, a quarter mile away, has no restrictions. I don’t like going to Walmart but Publix is closer and my corner market is better plus I can ride my ATV there. 2 of my kids and 2 of my grandkids live close by so I see them every day, at the social distance. My granddaughter asked me yesterday how long it would be before she could hug me. That hurt. I ride my ATV every afternoon and can go for a 20 mile ride and never see another person. My wife is doing online teaching, such as it is, from home and my son and SIL both are in essential businesses so we are in much better shape than many people. We have bidets so don’t care about TP even!

  • foo April 11, 2020, 5:00 PM

    Re Jeffrey Tuckers comment on the over-reaction by politicians, here is my favorite example of non-herd mentality, rational and ethics driven leadership.


    Moving from CA on retirement. SD is on the short list, more now.

  • foo April 11, 2020, 5:03 PM

    Lots of take aways from this- big and small- here is one, from Jeffrey Tucker, obviously a lefty- at 1;02

    The NYT is morally culpable for the damage done…

    someone is approaching their red-pill moment…

  • mmack April 11, 2020, 6:02 PM

    Well I was a rebel today and mowed the lawn like EVERY OTHER HUSBAND in my neighborhood in Flatlandia, USA. My wife and I walk around the neighborhood on the walking trails and sidewalks and encounter children on bicycles, skates, skateboards, and scooters and adults walking dogs or pushing baby carriages. Or whole families bicycling along or out walking together.

    Most people are annoyed 😒 by this “social distancing” baloney and are trying to make the best of it. I feel sorry for the small business owners who will be ruined by this insanity. People like my barber who opened his new shop late last year and only takes appointments for one day due to this madness, or our local brewery, or the great locally owned non chain restaurants in our town.

  • Jack April 11, 2020, 6:58 PM

    Me…I treat this virus like I treat the rest of ’em. Based upon my age and respiratory history if I get this thing it will probably kill me and it has never bothered me, in the least, in the context of casual mixing, like at the Fair or concerts, etc., to stay TF away from other people who are not in my immediate circle of friends of my family. Matter of fact, I love this social distancing thing and unless you’re family, I really don’t want to see you at my home unless I invite you to come over. A nod is as good as a wink and a wave from across the street is better than a knock 0n my door.

    I’ve never known the gub’mint to be up to any kind of good and I initially viewed all this BS about locking us down and shutting businesses as nonsense but from what I’ve seen from your basic man on the street, I’m beginning to tend to want to cut the gub’mint a little slack.

    America is filled to the brim with stupid people who really DO NOT CARE about themselves or others. These are peeps who are only in it for themselves and a case in point can be illustrated by all of the young, horney, reckless and idealistic young Spring Breakers who, in the face of a pandemic, said screw it, we don’t care about anyone but ourselves, we deserve this, it’s our time and let’s party, etc. and who, a short couple of weeks later, woke up to a case of CV-19 that they gave to others in their stupid lives.

    A few days ago there was a murder of a young kid in an apartment complex in the black community. A news reporter and a film crew showed up and filmed 50-60 blacks walking around, giving fist bumps and high fives, hugging, cogitating and commiserating and there was not a rubber glove or face mask to be seen…except on the reporter. And, despite the constant 24/7 warnings the blacks are raising hell because they say black rates of CV-19 infection are higher than those of whites….and it’s because of racial discrimination by whites. What a crock of bullshit.!

    How can anyone fix that kind of innate idiocy? I don’t believe it can be fixed except by reality and death. People should not have to be told not to assemble in large groups or to stay a few feet apart until the best medical docs and research scientists in the world have been able to bring it under control or at least have some time to try. And the police should not have to show up and entail their wrath for trying to help them.

    When people are this f’ing stupid, thoughtless and careless then maybe it isn’t such a bad idea for the gub’mint to slap the hell out of them with lockdowns, demands for staying in and for all out quarantines. Sometimes I think the best thing to do is tell ’em once or twice and then walk away. The morgues can use the business, it will certainly reduce the crime rates and welfare entitlement rolls, open up previously crowded gub’mint housing and permit the police to take a break from a job that is certainly thankless from the standpoint of citizens. The rest of us can kick back with a cold one, put our feet up and ride this thing out.

  • ghostsniper April 11, 2020, 7:16 PM

    Jack sed: “How can anyone fix that kind of innate idiocy?”
    Just leave it alone and it will fix itself.

    Does anyone have proof this virus thing exists?

    4 years ago the VA gave me a blood test and determined I had contracted Hep C from airgun shots in the army in the 70’s. I had no proof of it, just the VA’s word. The VA then prescribed pills that cost $1000 each for 84 days in a row and then claimed I was cured. Why do I feel like a guinea pig?

  • Wildman April 11, 2020, 7:47 PM

    Would any of this hysteria be happening if this wasnt an election year or if the president was a dem? Just wondering what level of idiocy will we have foisted on us next flu season

  • Fletcher Christian April 12, 2020, 5:00 AM

    Tom Hyland:

    “The Constitution is not a suicide pact.” Not sure where I saw that. Additionally, there is precedent for suspension of Constitutional rights during a major emergency – and a global pandemic is certainly that.

    Incidentally, or maybe not, we don’t know what the impact of the pandemic with no mitigation measures at all would be – but consider this. Herd immunity is gained, apparently, at 75% or so infection with a disease of this level of infectivity. For the USA, that is approximately 225 million people. Assuming the best estimate of mortality rate is correct, about 2%, that means about 4.5 million deaths. And that assumes that everyone gets the best care – which of course they would not in a situation like that. We don’t know what the mortality rate of untreated Covid-19 is, and I hope we never find out. Are you volunteering to be one of the four and a half million dead – minimum – for the sake of a piece of paper?


    If said church is badly enough attended that everyone can can stay 6′ apart, then why bother?

  • John Venlet April 12, 2020, 5:15 AM

    Tom, I had read that link you pointed to. I think that the disdain of Americans’ alleged representatives within Congress runs all the way through state governments, to the local level.

  • Whatever April 12, 2020, 10:18 AM

    The mortality rate is a curve. It’s high in the aged, but about twice flu or .2% in the young and healthy, literally zero in children. Latest CDC data show that the vast, vast majority of deaths in Washington were over 70. Look it up.

    Those who keep throwing out high percentage mortality and million number death rates are part of the panic and the problem. If you’re at risk or scared, then hide under the bed for a year, but those who are young and healthy and risk takers should do what they want. Right now the death toll is estimated to be less than 80k, which is the same number of deaths as the 2018 flu.

    In the last week there were 1,000 job losses every 10 seconds. The shut in will cause far more human misery than the disease and there will be riots, cities will burn, supply lines will be cut. In the end those promoting the prolonged shutdown may starve in their homes, healthy of the virus but dying painfully of hunger.

  • Gordon Scott April 12, 2020, 5:09 PM

    In the Twin Cities the Lunds stores are advising customers to shop alone. Don’t bring anyone along. I believe HyVee is allowing two, but no more, and limiting how many at one time. Aldi is doing the same. Now I was at our most vibrant Walmart yesterday and today, and they were limiting how many could enter on the grocery side, but not on the home and garden side.

    Inside, the customers were behaving just as they do any day, except perhaps ten percent wore masks. Associates had masks but they hung limp around their necks. Vibrant moms riding the electric carts are surrounded by six relatives.

    And yeah, one wonders why blacks are dying at higher rates.

  • MIKE GUENTHER April 12, 2020, 5:51 PM


    I was diagnosed with Hep-C in 2010 by the VA, about two weeks before my Father passed away. I got the treatment, but is was a two drug cocktail for a year with a 12 week dose of a third drug to start off with. That particular drug was over 12 grand a month. Weekly injection plus the pills and I ended up with most of the side effects.

    Count yourself lucky if you only had to take one drug for eight weeks for the cure. I’ve read that there are minimal side effects with the newer one drug treatments.

  • rune April 12, 2020, 9:46 PM

    it’s so difficult to read a blog that simultaneously suggests corona is fake/isn’t dangerous/deadly and that people of color are dying because th

  • rune April 12, 2020, 9:47 PM

    *they’re not following the rules. pick a lane.

    preferably not one that’s anti-science and racist as shit, but that’s too much to ask for i’m quite sure.

  • Gordon Scott April 13, 2020, 7:45 AM

    Gee, Rune, it’s not that difficult. People disagree. We are not Gerard’s chorus, no matter if he posts chorus videos.

    As for anti-science, well, the scientists at WHO, CDC and even the revered Doctor Fauci have told us that this whole thing ain’t nothing to worry about. Fauci said it as recently as February 29. Sure, they sing a different tune now. That’s science, baby!

    So I can understand why Ghostsniper questions things. He’s seen a lot of crap out of Washington in his life. And he knows better than to trust a “consensus” of scientists. Because a consensus of Medical Doctors told Ignaz Semmelweis to shut his damn mouth, because they knew handwashing between patients was time-consuming and useless.

    Wanna call me a racist? First, come live where I live, and meet my friends. Then, come work where I work. Bring a mask, because you probably want to not get sick. Then, you can deny your lying eyes and call me a racist for reporting facts.