Think of how it pains me that you’re so unbelievably stupid, I have to defend Baldwin for killing someone with a gun, because he’s literally morally and legally blameless, and those baying for his head on a platter are literally dumber than a bag of hammers.
I suppose it becomes necessary, on film, to sometimes point a weapon at somebody acting or at the camera. The propaganda media has it that AB was practicing pointing the weapon at the camera; fair enough. There were so many safety violations compounded that it is certainly manslaughter, though. Finger on the trigger? Unnecessary, I think. I mean, I’ve never been an actor but my sense of gun safety is so disciplined that I would not do that in practice.
Of course, the first thing one ever does is to safety the weapon; check the chamber and the magazine, or cylinder. The safe on a revolver is your finger and the hammer at half-cock – it’s not a lever safety. I suppose he used a revolver of it was a Western show. the other safety is never point the mother fucker at a human you don’t intend on killing.
I’ve only ever once had my finger on the trigger and been at full cock with my weapon aimed at a living creature; a bear. And or fired, that is. I have taken or dispatched a handful of varmints with the revolver, though. I count three times in my life when someone had a weapon pointed at my head and at close range, and 2 of those times it was loaded. I never died, just to close the loop on that story.
He fukt up, big time. Directed a staff who loaded the weapon, failed to safety the weapon, failed to have the staff safety the weapon, pointed the weapon before checking every possible safety protocol (I think as an actor you’d dry fire the weapon at a non-living thing first, and to be honest even then I’d probably do the practice with the cylinder open). I mean, I wasn’t there, but pointing a loaded weapon at any human is an existential crisis. A man with a weapon in his hands is a moral agent; he bears more than normal responsibility for his actions. AB better just walk into the jailhouse now, if he has any moral fiber in him.
Otherwise, he’s a good guy (said in Norm MacDonald accent).
ghostsniperOctober 25, 2021, 11:46 AM
The little bit of reading I did shows there is plenty of irresponsibility all down the line on this thing but suffice to say the trigger puller killed somebody and that’s all that’s relevant. If I did that I’d expect to spend some significant time in the cage.
I saw a quote by Baldwin just a few years ago pertaining to a cop that shot and killed an unarmed suspect, “I wonder what he feels knowing he killed an innocent person?”.
When the judge tells Baldwin he’s got to go to the shitcan for a year he’ll spontaneously go into his SNL Trump tantrum.
Kevin in PAOctober 25, 2021, 11:48 AM
Alec Baldwin is one of those personalities that exudes MAJOR DOUCHEBAG from every fiber of his arrogant self-absorbed being. He is, in a word, an ASSHOLE of the first order. Having said that, let me now present a refresher for any dumb-shit that ever handles a firearm;
Rule number 1 – ALL GUNS ARE LOADED. UNTIL YOU PROVE VIA PHYSICAL AND VISUAL INSPECTION OTHERWISE.
#2 NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO COMPLETELY DESTROY.
#3 BE CERTAIN OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND/BEHIND IT.
#4 KEEP YOUR BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH UNTIL YOU ARE ON TARGET AND READY TO FIRE.
Alec Baldwin being the self-righteous blowhard of upper class provenance that he is and the fact that he is an anti-gun dumb-ass and could not possibly be expected to adhere to such trivialities….I mean, he is Alec Fucking Baldwin.
I did read some tidbits on the situation and that the deceased was actually on record complaining about Baldwin’s poor treatment of the other actors and some concerns about safety on set…..hmmm. Can you say, Motive?
Note to Alec: Lawyer up, asshole.
gwbnycOctober 25, 2021, 12:04 PM
didn’t read the piece.
moron armorer, loaded live ammo (no no no) gun on the prop table, known cornercutting AD hands Baldwin the loaded gun.
I’ve been on set with Baldwin, and his public exploits are well documented. he’s an adolescent.
budget of 6M, AD’s, etc veterans of low budget films. my reading indicates robust trampling of rules&procedures. their style is typical of low budget, they’ll shave minutes off alloted meal time to nickel&dime and get more work out of a crew. low budget guys stay in low budget.
a contractor, I mean like a sheetrocker, has to carry more than $6M of liability insurance to conduct business in NYC, if we want to do some apples&oranges.
I always knew Baldwin would someday kill someone, but I never dreamed it would be unintentional.
oldvet50October 26, 2021, 8:57 AM
You think it was?
james wilsonOctober 25, 2021, 1:16 PM
It’s a low budget western, behind schedule. When a movie shuts down to get more funding it does not restart. The staff were complaining for weeks about outrageous hours and working conditions, not to mention being paid. Finally they walked off. Even the stuntmen said it was unsafe. The stuntmen? Six hours later Baldwin shot the cinematographer with a blank round propelling schmutz stuck in the barrel.
Girl was fired from her previous movie stint as armourer for alarming incompetentce. Baldwin, who is producing the movie in question, personally selected her as armourer. Of course he did. https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1452178812058226688
azlibertarianOctober 25, 2021, 2:25 PM
Dunno nuttin’ about nuttin’ regarding movie procedures, but I saw somewhere a cogent explanation that Baldwin won’t be held legally culpable. The essence is that the procedures are set up to understand that actors are idiots, and therefore every safety precaution falls to someone else. The armorer, and other “nobodies” will go to jail, but Baldwin walks.
That said, Baldwin is done. He has to be uninsurable, not to mention radioactive. OJ has a better chance of working again.
james wilsonOctober 25, 2021, 4:28 PM
Nope, Baldwin doesn’t walk, see above. He’s also the producer and personally hired the armourer, who had been fired from her previous movie for gross incompetence. The liability insurance is only six million, so Balwin is going to lose a large chunk of his fortune.
gwbnycOctober 25, 2021, 7:23 PM
the budget is six million, their liability insurance is not known.
JackOctober 25, 2021, 2:33 PM
AB rants against gun ownership all of the time but most of us who love our guns know exactly how to use them safely and without much more than a second thought. We treat all of them as loaded, we don’t point them at anything but the ground or straight up and we don’t put our fingers on triggers until we are ready to shoot.
We could tell that to this crazy assed misfit but he wouldn’t listen.
Living here in Santa Fe the conversation is everywhere and the local paper has been publishing wide ranging items garnered locally and abroad. The Santa Fe paper is a liberal rag but they find this story interesting, I guess. A mutiny took place on this movie set. They were 12 days into a 21 day shoot. Crew was to arrive at 6:30 am, which is barely daylight, and they didn’t leave 12 to 15 hours later…. in the dark. Baldwin wouldn’t pay for local motel rooms which would have been a 15 minute drive. Instead crew was expected to drive an hour to Albuquerque to stay in a near-homeless shelter. Homeless folks could stay there for a few bucks but crew was expected to pay $10 extra. A lot of the crew was sleeping in their cars on the set. Halyna Hutchins went to bat for the crew telling Baldwin they were going to strike if he didn’t lighten up. Baldwin ignored that and the crew walked. Baldwin already had a non-union crew instantly ready to roll but they were denied access to the set. Hiring scabs during a strike never goes over well. A couple of hours after the mutiny Baldwin aimed the gun and fired.
gwbnycOctober 25, 2021, 7:21 PM
“Crew was to arrive at 6:30 am, which is barely daylight, and they didn’t leave 12 to 15 hours later…. in the dark”
SOP, they would have a “turn around” of eight hours (maybe ten) from wrap to the next calltime. this is why the starting time each day is progressively later.
in my experience.
normal practice.
it might be a “mixed” contract allowing non-union workers to crew it along with the unionized.
Lance de BoyleOctober 25, 2021, 5:22 PM
Her tattoo of a raven on Poe’s head…. Macabre bitch.
Does the killed woman have a husband? If so, he ought to take these assholes out. All of em. From a couple hundred yards. 30.06 Screw the courts and the lawyers and all the legal stunts. Take my wife’s. I take yours. At my age, more life without my wife wouldn’t be worth much to me, anyways.
TerryOctober 25, 2021, 6:48 PM
I like your reasoning Lance.
The so called legal remedy is not an option. The courts, lawyers, cops and etc. are just, fu*k B*d*n material.
We The People must take care of business now. My suggestion would be 6.5 in a modern platform.
No such revenge will ever occur, Lance. Haylna left a boy about age 8 and her husband has already voiced total support and forgiveness for Baldwin. This is a surreal phenomenon these past few years… surviving family members forgiving the perpetrators, INSTANTLY, for the most disgusting behavior.
“Instant forgiveness” is what is taught these days in what I call “Christianity Light”. This is pure nonsense. Properly understood, it works like this: Sin, Repentance, Confession, Penance, Forgiveness—in that order. No penance—paying for the sin—no forgiveness. Modern fluffy “Christians” throw around their cheap “forgiveness” as if they were passing out candy to children. Jesus forgave the “Good Thief” but left him to die from crucifixion as penance.
I had a discussion with a Christian friend of mine who vehemently disagreed with this. He claimed that one should forgive all sins instantly and for all time. This, he believed, was what Christ taught. I proposed to him this: Imagine you’re walking in the city at night with your three daughters. A man steps out of an alley, forces you to your knees, and rapes your daughters one by one, then rapes your wife, then kills all four, then walks freely away. After each outrage would you say to the man, “I forgive you!”?
Folks say that Jesus from the Cross forgave the Romans who crucified Him. No He did not. He asked His Father in Heaven for a special favor: “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”—Luke 23:34.
To “forgive” someone who feels no remorse for his sin is a ridiculous and emotional waste of time. Our entire penal system is based on the opposite, that a criminal must confess his crime and do his penance—whether 25 years in prison or execution—before he has “paid his debt to society”.
The husband of the woman killed by Baldwin can say and feel whatever he wishes, but his emotions do not change the facts of the matter. Baldwin must publicly show remorse, must confess and must accept whatever his penance might be.
All sins, every damn one of them, must be paid for, either on earth or after death. Best pay for them in the here and now. It’s cheaper that way.
.. killed woman have a husband? That’s the best thing about this mess. Her husband is a top corporate lawyer in LA.
When everyone is finished with him, Baldwin is going to be looking for a job as one of Fauci’s dogs.
Regardless, this is criminal recklessness, a felony. The MSM is setting the stage for zero charges. Cuz it’s very body else’s responsibility to check the chamber, and not point and pull the trigger.
Lots and lots of money Shall exchange hands, don’t be surprised when this douchebag pleas to a slap on the wrist.
ghostsniperOctober 25, 2021, 7:24 PM
baldwin money will make this disappear
strange people, strange times, anything can and does happen
pay attention
Who is Ray Epps, “Revolver News”has done an outstanding investigation not only into who Epps is, but exactly who he and a few others represent on Jan 6th worked with
Outstanding investigation, Who, What, Where, When, Why and How. Worth the time to read it.
Dirk
Gordon ScottOctober 26, 2021, 11:08 AM
Agree. Epps was very tight with the head of Oath Keepers also.
Charlie Daniels had it right in Uneasy Rider. “You may not believe it, but this man’s a spy! He’s an undercover agent for the Eff Bee Eye, sent down from Washington to infiltrate the Klu Klux Klan.”
FreddoOctober 26, 2021, 2:10 AM
IMO Aesop has fallen for the common leftist frame that Democrats are allowed to spout whatever nonsense they like, but everything on the right needs to be triple-checked, verified and reviewed by committee for accuracy & non-offensiveness before it is allowed to be published.
Fsck that shit. One of the most pretentious bores on the left fscked up, and we should have a field day with it. That man failed to be responsible as an actor and as a producer and should suffer the consequences. Don’t expect anything from the legal system. They are too busy investigating parents for speaking up at school boards.
GlenfilthieOctober 26, 2021, 5:14 AM
Exactly.
If this had happened to a conservative, Baldwin and his commie shitheads would be baying for blood too. They’d probably get it. And like as not, ol’ Aesop here would be giving us caustic lectures on gun safety. Fuck him, he’s an idiot. And fuck Hollywood and California too. The judicial system is a farce, and it only works in one direction. It’s time to change that.
Some conservatives need to ‘Maxine Waterl’ this: tell the judges and the media fags that when this goes to trial – they better reach the right verdict… or else. I want the same treatment for Baldwin that cop got in the George Floyd case. I want to see Baldwin charged with murder one AND manslaughter at the same time. If we have to live in clown world, so do the commies and the shitlibs.
And if that started civil war two… I’d be just peachy with it.
A woman lost her life, a husband lost his mate,,,a son lost his mother. We are about to see the two tiered system in play.
After roughly five yr into my career, I let my emotion in. After you bag and tag enough dead folks, I was to the point I had to know who exactly these people were,,,,,,,who their families were, a heart breaking journey, but something in my mind demanded I learn who they were, their family.
Always thought it weird until maybe five years ago. I was approached by an old friend, a fire Captain, with the local fire department. Was at my credit union when he asked if he could speak with me. Sure.
He struggled to form and verbalize his thoughts. In a nut shell he wanted to know how I handled hundreds of dead people in my 25 years, from natural cause deaths to murders, to car crash’s. This was from this man’s heart he was struggling with the question , trying hard to find answers.
My answer was simple, Mike I didn’t. I kept my composure I did my job, but when I was back in my car, I prayed and I prayed and I prayed that these people didn’t suffer, more so I prayed for those left to live.
And Mike, I cried my eyes out every time. Like a sissy, I cried in sorrow for the family left to address their loss. Did it privately, but it was the only logical tool I had. Couldn’t change the outcome, I was helpless to help. And it hurt deeply.
Mikes seeing a head doc now, as I did, wrestling with the emotional part of the job, the part nobody can teach you. The path is always individual.
Huge difference in a death in dirkadirka Stan, in a war, and scraping up citizens from your turf. Seeing their families, morn, grieve, try and put the pieces back together. It hurt me badly. But nothing compared to what they were dealing with.
they always eventually wanted answers to questions I simply couldn’t answer. Questions only God could answer.
VI
Paul MOctober 27, 2021, 6:39 PM
Beautifully said, and handled. Never easy. And prayer always helps….He listens.
Here is my opinion on the Alec Baldwin “incident”: I don’t have an opinion. (Trust me when I say that was hard to write.) I know nothing about movie sets, prop guns, Hollywood firearms training—and on and on. Here’s what we know: 1. Baldwin fired a gun; 2. A woman was killed. That’s it. The truth might come out. Or not. But Baldwin did fire a gun. And a woman was indeed killed.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”—John Adams
The fact that Baldwin is a classic big mouthed, arrogant, condescending, ignorant, bigoted POS changes nothing. His career is over. Let’s call it Karma and be done with it.
Meanwhile, peruse this. It is perhaps the finest Hollywood Western shootout of all time. Think of how many “firearms experts” were on this set. Oh…and no one was killed.
That’s a huge problem too. Why are the facts not coming out? Why the secrecy? I think we all know.
And no, let’s NOT sweep this under the rug and forget about it. I want the same treatment for Baldwin that Derek Chauvin got. Or Kyle Rittenhouse. Or that kid in the MAGA hat that dared to smile at that red nogger that walked up to him and started wailing and beating the drum – the one the media accused of being in the Hitler Youth.
Baldwin would make an excellent sacrifice to the judiciary of clown world.
“Why are the facts not coming out?” Because they are still being gathered. Witness testimonies, evidence collection, an autopsy: These take time. Perhaps months. Perhaps a year.
“Why the secrecy?” There is no secrecy that I can discern.
“And no, let’s NOT sweep this under the rug and forget about it.” Such a desire is admirable, but it is not up to us; It is up to the investigative agencies, the New Mexico attorney general, perhaps a grand jury, the courts, lawyers, and judges.
“I want the same treatment for Baldwin that Derek Chauvin got…” So you desire injustice? False accusations? Corrupt and politically motivated judiciaries? Such a statement says much about you but does nothing for justice.
“Baldwin would make an excellent sacrifice to the judiciary of clown world.” Revenge is not a policy. It is a surrender to emotion.
Don’t trust Baldwin, Baldwin is a**hole, Not germane, granted.
However;
Facts.
The gun was in, and only in Baldwins hand.
Baldwin and only Baldwin pointed it at the lady.
Baldwin and only Baldwin cocked the piece and pulled the trigger.
Me, why yes I’ve an opinion.
Dan PattersonOctober 26, 2021, 4:44 AM
The person pulling the trigger is responsible for anything coming out of the barrel.
So who is that?
Lot’s of emotion and schadenfreude over the Baldwin “incident”. Many on our side are enjoying poor little Alec’s predicament. Count me as one of them. If he were worthy of my hatred, I would hate him. But he is not. He is a despicable creep, but no more than that. He is not important enough to hate. Do you hate a rock in your shoe?
And he deserves whatever law he can afford. We are not yet a communist nation, and the law still functions here and there. Let it play out. In the meantime, it’s quite comforting to revel in Baldwin’s misery.
As for a rabid desire for revenge: “A man who seeks revenge should dig two graves.” And did not some Carpenter claim that revenge was His? And only His?
You want to toss out whatever law remains in our dying Republic just to get at Baldwin? Ok then.
Mike Austin,
Well said, and presented. It is hard to argue against such ugly truth in an allegory from a movie clip. There is optimism implicit in such course of action as you argue; an act of faith.
“… A fretful discontented spirit lies open to many temptations; and those that indulge it are in danger of doing evil. “ (Last sentence, para. I., Matthew Henry’s Commentary, Psalm 37, Verses 7-20 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+37&version=AKJV (right-hand window, scroll down to “Commentaries”, ninth listing). The entire Psalm and commentary are worth the time required; given all that is currently challenging us, individually and as a society, leading some to focus their “frustration” and “hatred” on an easy visual such as “Baldwin the Arrogant”.
Inevitably Psalm 37 will spark a discussion of the word “meek” as used therein and elsewhere in the Bible. Many definitions are offered; a simple “search” will confirm. Those that focus on “self-restraint”, “patience to endure offenses”, “a calm temper of mind, not easily provoked” best speak to the courage and strength which are prerequisites to faith in G-d and the ultimate defeat of evil.
Thank you for that. It has been bookmarked so that I can devote to it the study that it deserves.
Psalm 37: It reminded me why I was saved.
azlibertarianOctober 26, 2021, 9:35 AM
Lot’s of emotion and schadenfreude over the Baldwin “incident”….
Agreed, Mike. It is very tempting to jump on the schadenfreude bandwagon and say “Baldwin is an asshole and ought to have the book thrown at him.” That Baldwin is a class-1 asshole is immaterial. As Aggie notes below, the holes in the Swiss cheese lined up and Baldwin was part of that.
I try to remember that Karma isn’t just a dancer down at the gentlemen’s club. That girl can be a bitch. The schadenfreude I might enjoy today over Baldwin’s plight can quickly be brought right back at me.
“I try to remember that Karma isn’t just a dancer down at the gentlemen’s club.” Now that is a great line! But I will never admit that I was at that “gentlemen’s club.” No sir.
Karma works in one direction. To enjoy her company is not to be at all concerned that she will visit you. Karma must be earned. Baldwin earned it; now he is receiving his paycheck.
To enjoy Karma is to grant her a compliment.
AggieOctober 26, 2021, 7:35 AM
Baldwin is just as responsible and accountable as any gun holder is when they pick up a piece.
The incident is a very apt example of the Swiss Cheese model of incident investigation. There were several barriers to the tragedy, several slices of cheese. But Swiss cheese has holes, and sometimes the holes line up, one after another: Mixed ammunition on the set; Props being used for target practice; labor unrest; poorly defined roles and responsibilities; safety-critical roles taken by inexperienced personnel; handing out weapons without knowing their status; accepting a weapon without knowing its status. All the holes lined up, resulting in another one.
From what I’ve read he pointed and fired the gun directly at the camera that Halyna Hutchins, photography director, was holding. A live round passed entirely through her chest and went on to break the collar bone of the director. I presume Baldwin was directed to fire the gun and wasn’t goofing around. Don’t know for sure yet. What I’m still wondering is if the gun was fully loaded with live rounds or only that one. A big mistake occurred when that 22 year old girl in the video above EMPTIED the gun before the cops arrived.
ghostsniperOctober 26, 2021, 12:28 PM
“…he pointed and fired the gun directly at the camera…”
Well… let’s just say he aimed in the direction of the camera and fired… which was probably going to be good enough for what they wanted to accomplish… and the camera was held by Ms. Hutchins while the director was standing directly behind her. He did not miss the target.
I gather they were rehearsing an ‘insert’ shot, doing a close-up of his hand pulling the gun out of the holster and pointing it, in this case at the camera.
I assume it was intended to show what the other gunfighter saw in detail.
I suppose one *would pull t he trigger for ‘completeness’, as that is what he would do in the actual take.
Still on him for not doing all of the safety stuff himself.
enn essOctober 26, 2021, 10:59 AM
I’ll keep this short and to the point. With all the finger pointing and blame this or that or whatever. From what I have heard and read, Baldwin FAILED to check the gun after it was given to him. It’s his, he owns it. He is to blame. It’s his failure to check whether loaded or unloaded and with what.
Gordon ScottOctober 26, 2021, 11:20 AM
Baldwin is on record bragging recently about his gun handling skilz. I am guessing that means someone showed him how to twirl a revolver and how to hold and point a handgun in a convincing manner. What it doesn’t mean, in the case of someone with Baldwin’s ego, is that any of the lessons on safe handling penetrated past his eardrums. He’s far too clever to let himself be distracted by that stuff.
The lead investigative agency on this appears to be New Mexico’s OSHA. The Santa Fe county sheriff appears to have closed their case. This could mean that this will be handled as a workplace accident, and as a workers’ compensation case. That means no multi-million dollar lawsuits. That’s what happened to that Minnesota Viking football player who died during practice at training camp. Workers’ Comp paid out routine survivor benefit. The Vikings’ owners apparently did grant the widow some kind of donation, but it was not something they had to do.
DanOctober 26, 2021, 11:25 AM
To fire a Colt 1873 Single Action Army revolver (or a replica):
1. The hammer is pulled to half-cock, allowing the cylinder to rotate, and the side gate is opened
2. A cartridge is inserted into the cylinder
3. If not fully loaded, the cylinder must be rotated until the loaded chamber is next up
4. The hammer is pulled back into the fully cocked position. This action rotates the cylinder, placing the cartridge in line with the barrel and ready for the firing pin to strike the cartridge’s primer.
5. The revolver is aimed and the index finger pulls the trigger, releasing the hammer to strike the primer.
6. Boom. The lead projectile — somewhere around 250 grains in weight — is driven down the barrel at around 800 feet per second.
Baldwin didn’t simply point the gun and “it went off.” He had to pull the hammer back, aim, and pull the trigger.
Why he pointed the gun at the 42-yr old female Director of Photography is a reasonable question.
I could not care less about Alec Baldwin, and no one commenting here should either. He is nothing. Nothing. America is falling to socialists and evil men, Republican and Democrat though they may call themselves, and this distraction, by this nothing man, has so engrossed American minds it’s as if they are junkies.
gwOctober 26, 2021, 1:27 PM
The Left uses occurrences like this for political purposes. So, this matter could have implications for laws, insurance, and other matters germane to the Second Amendment and gun owners. For reasons like those, this matter deserves scrutiny and discussion.
“I could not care less about Alec Baldwin, and no one commenting here should either.”
Oh come on John! Let us have our fun! You come across as a prim, pinched faced little prig. You are really telling us that we should not enjoy Baldwin’s embarrassment? Why not? Who are you to tell us what we should enjoy?
Your comment reminded me of the criticism of the Calvinists, that they were not at all bothered by sin, but they went apoplectic that someone, somewhere, might be enjoying himself.
Chill dude. Enjoy the embarrassment of your foes. And don’t tell others on your side what to do.
Oh come on John! Let us have our fun! You come across as a prim, pinched faced little prig.
Well, Mike, though my comment seems to have rubbed you the wrong way, I still could not care less about Alec Baldwin and this incident. There are too many important matters to consider rather than Baldwin, or individuals of his ilk. Have fun.
“Well, Mike, though my comment seems to have rubbed you the wrong way.” Not at all. You have no such power. I found your response humorless and priggish—like a post-menopausal schoolmarm. You were telling adults how to behave. Maybe you should seek employment with the Biden administration. They specialize in such attitudes.
“There are too many important matters to consider rather than Baldwin.” So go consider them. And leave people with a sense of humor in peace.
“Have fun.” So I have your permission to do so?
For the love of Heaven, lighten up.
gwOctober 26, 2021, 11:42 AM
Would appear AB and his posse violated just about every single gun safety rule. It will be surprising if charges brought are not gross negligence or worse.
Alec Baldwin is a member of the liberal elite. And New Mexico is mostly a liberal faction, at least while the current ruling administration has their hands upon it. Our Gov. Michelle is Democrat to the bone and calling for the dismissal of every unvaxxed employee. New Mexico doesn’t produce anything except post cards and chile peppers. We have no industries here. This place is dirt poor. We are always running for first place with Alabama and Mississippi for the poverty crown. The movie industry here is a miracle money-maker and I can imagine a typical liberal judge is going to work to protect that goose and its golden eggs. I bet we’ll see a scapegoat; looking like the dude who’s been fired already for sloppy gun management; and it won’t be Baldwin, who will only be exonerated, as he does such good for the world and thinks the right thoughts. Notice the first thing he screamed out was, ” Who gave me a hot gun?” His first responsibility was to check the gun himself but his knee jerk reaction was to pass the blame.
Gordon ScottOctober 26, 2021, 9:38 PM
Geez, Tom, there’s one or two other things. There’s nukes, for example. New Mexico doesn’t build them, but they design them and store them. There’s a couple of Air Force bases that do spooky things. Down southeast there’s oil, but I grant you that Gov. Michelle and her friends want to kill off that golden goose. There’s cattle down that way also, and some sheep. Rich Texans and Mexicans still come up and over to vacation. Lessee…pine nuts, plenty of that. Pinto beans! There’s an Indian casino about every 10 miles between Santa Fe and Albuquerque. And geez, there must be a factory or two in the big city. Okay, you’re right, but except for the Journada del Muerte, you can buy a burrito made by a certified grandmother or auntie within 50 miles of anywhere.
Hi Gordon. Yeah, I know of those spooky government operations that employ the soldiers and Phd’s of Kirtland AB and Los Alamos and those folks do pick up a paycheck. However, a vast group of Los Alamos people refused the vaxx and were fired this past Friday. This morning there’s a big lawsuit they’ve launched. Gov. Michelle began her career as Health Secretary under Gov. Bill Richardson so her tentacles to Big Pharma are muscular and threatening, still. Plus, she subscribes to every liberal fantasy and that entails the oil industry must cease because of “climate change.” There was an interesting survey a few years back that scored the leverage of “Takers” vs. “Makers” and New Mexico claimed the top of the heap of Takers for sucking up the welfare bennies while the State produces the lowest national level of wealth. New Mexico is number 1 per capita for teenage pregnancy, heroin and meth abuse, high school drop out, drunken driving deaths, and probably, carb intake due to those bean burritos.
Scott McKay at American Spectator has written a concise summary of Alec Baldwin’s deadly fiasco which includes a swell indictment of sanctimonious yet hypocritical Hollywood and its players who would punish responsible gun owners. A very fine read. https://spectator.org/the-alec-baldwin-shooting-is-modern-hollywood-to-a-t/
Double XXOctober 27, 2021, 7:12 AM
Dirk I have added you and yours to my prayer list, as prayer never hurts even from a slug such as I. Life is too short for real hate. GV hope everything is going swell. Thanks for your site.
XX, I except your prayers, being in gods good graces are still a good thing,” I think” although I had a rough bout in church last week.
I happily admit I’m one flawed human being,,,, really really flawed. And I apologize for my bulldog ways. I’m actually a very mellow person. When I write, my mind goes nuts. Mostly what I pen is really to myself, so I can revisit at some point to determine if I was accurate.
That I often offend others is but one of my curses in life.
They were probably doing an insert shot, to show what the other gun fighter would see. He pulled the gun from the holster, and pointed it at the camera.
My guess is he pulled the trigger for ‘completeness’, as that is what he needed to do in the take.
He apparently assumed the gun was ‘cold’ because the AD said so.
And here we are.
Always been amused at Aesop’s views. Rarely have I shared his views, even more rarely do I read his stuff.
Many years ago, I came to recognize WRSA’s reading list is all about Group think. Dangerous in my opinion. Not bad, just not for me. I’m still capable of forming me own opinions based on facts. Something those sites are usually really short on.
Which is where I was exposed to aesops stuff. He’s not going anywhere, an Internet personality, whom some think walks on water. No doubt an alpha dog, willing to eat his own, if they dare to cross him on his site.
Hell a good spankings not always a bad thing. The weaklings fall righttttttt back in line. Always get a good laugh out of that.
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My head knocks against the stars.
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Down in the sounding foam of primal things I reach my hands and play with pebbles of destiny.
I have been to hell and back many times.
I know all about heaven, for I have talked with God.
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Men saw the stars at the edge of the sea
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Poets wrote down words that did fit
Writers wrote books
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Take it where you find it
Can’t leave it alone
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To carry it on
Mainly when you find it
Your heart will be strong
About it
Many’s the road I have walked upon
Many’s the hour between dusk and dawn
Many’s the time
Many’s the mile
I see it all now
Through the eyes of a child
Take it where you find it
Can’t leave it alone
You will find a purpose
To carry it on
Mainly when you find it
Your heart will be strong
About it
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Lost dreams and found dreams
In America
In America
In America
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In America
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And close your eyes
Leave it all for a while
Leave the world
And your worries behind
You will build on whatever is real
And wake up each day
To a new waking dream
Take it where you find it
Can’t leave it alone
You will find a purpose
To carry it on
Mainly when you find it
Your heart will be strong
About it
[Chorus]
Change, change come over
Change come over
Talkin’ about a change
Change, change
Change come over, now
Change, change, change come over
I’m gonna walk down the street
Until I see
My shining light
I’m gonna walk down the street
Until I see
My shining light
I’m gonna walk down the street
Until I see
My shining light
I’m gonna walk down the street
Until I see
My shining light
I see my light
See my light
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I see my light
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I suppose it becomes necessary, on film, to sometimes point a weapon at somebody acting or at the camera. The propaganda media has it that AB was practicing pointing the weapon at the camera; fair enough. There were so many safety violations compounded that it is certainly manslaughter, though. Finger on the trigger? Unnecessary, I think. I mean, I’ve never been an actor but my sense of gun safety is so disciplined that I would not do that in practice.
Of course, the first thing one ever does is to safety the weapon; check the chamber and the magazine, or cylinder. The safe on a revolver is your finger and the hammer at half-cock – it’s not a lever safety. I suppose he used a revolver of it was a Western show. the other safety is never point the mother fucker at a human you don’t intend on killing.
I’ve only ever once had my finger on the trigger and been at full cock with my weapon aimed at a living creature; a bear. And or fired, that is. I have taken or dispatched a handful of varmints with the revolver, though. I count three times in my life when someone had a weapon pointed at my head and at close range, and 2 of those times it was loaded. I never died, just to close the loop on that story.
He fukt up, big time. Directed a staff who loaded the weapon, failed to safety the weapon, failed to have the staff safety the weapon, pointed the weapon before checking every possible safety protocol (I think as an actor you’d dry fire the weapon at a non-living thing first, and to be honest even then I’d probably do the practice with the cylinder open). I mean, I wasn’t there, but pointing a loaded weapon at any human is an existential crisis. A man with a weapon in his hands is a moral agent; he bears more than normal responsibility for his actions. AB better just walk into the jailhouse now, if he has any moral fiber in him.
Otherwise, he’s a good guy (said in Norm MacDonald accent).
The little bit of reading I did shows there is plenty of irresponsibility all down the line on this thing but suffice to say the trigger puller killed somebody and that’s all that’s relevant. If I did that I’d expect to spend some significant time in the cage.
I saw a quote by Baldwin just a few years ago pertaining to a cop that shot and killed an unarmed suspect, “I wonder what he feels knowing he killed an innocent person?”.
When the judge tells Baldwin he’s got to go to the shitcan for a year he’ll spontaneously go into his SNL Trump tantrum.
Alec Baldwin is one of those personalities that exudes MAJOR DOUCHEBAG from every fiber of his arrogant self-absorbed being. He is, in a word, an ASSHOLE of the first order. Having said that, let me now present a refresher for any dumb-shit that ever handles a firearm;
Rule number 1 – ALL GUNS ARE LOADED. UNTIL YOU PROVE VIA PHYSICAL AND VISUAL INSPECTION OTHERWISE.
#2 NEVER POINT A GUN AT ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO COMPLETELY DESTROY.
#3 BE CERTAIN OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND/BEHIND IT.
#4 KEEP YOUR BOOGER HOOK OFF THE BANG SWITCH UNTIL YOU ARE ON TARGET AND READY TO FIRE.
Alec Baldwin being the self-righteous blowhard of upper class provenance that he is and the fact that he is an anti-gun dumb-ass and could not possibly be expected to adhere to such trivialities….I mean, he is Alec Fucking Baldwin.
I did read some tidbits on the situation and that the deceased was actually on record complaining about Baldwin’s poor treatment of the other actors and some concerns about safety on set…..hmmm. Can you say, Motive?
Note to Alec: Lawyer up, asshole.
didn’t read the piece.
moron armorer, loaded live ammo (no no no) gun on the prop table, known cornercutting AD hands Baldwin the loaded gun.
I’ve been on set with Baldwin, and his public exploits are well documented. he’s an adolescent.
budget of 6M, AD’s, etc veterans of low budget films. my reading indicates robust trampling of rules&procedures. their style is typical of low budget, they’ll shave minutes off alloted meal time to nickel&dime and get more work out of a crew. low budget guys stay in low budget.
a contractor, I mean like a sheetrocker, has to carry more than $6M of liability insurance to conduct business in NYC, if we want to do some apples&oranges.
I worked in the business for forty years.
I always knew Baldwin would someday kill someone, but I never dreamed it would be unintentional.
You think it was?
It’s a low budget western, behind schedule. When a movie shuts down to get more funding it does not restart. The staff were complaining for weeks about outrageous hours and working conditions, not to mention being paid. Finally they walked off. Even the stuntmen said it was unsafe. The stuntmen? Six hours later Baldwin shot the cinematographer with a blank round propelling schmutz stuck in the barrel.
Girl was fired from her previous movie stint as armourer for alarming incompetentce. Baldwin, who is producing the movie in question, personally selected her as armourer. Of course he did.
https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1452178812058226688
Dunno nuttin’ about nuttin’ regarding movie procedures, but I saw somewhere a cogent explanation that Baldwin won’t be held legally culpable. The essence is that the procedures are set up to understand that actors are idiots, and therefore every safety precaution falls to someone else. The armorer, and other “nobodies” will go to jail, but Baldwin walks.
That said, Baldwin is done. He has to be uninsurable, not to mention radioactive. OJ has a better chance of working again.
Nope, Baldwin doesn’t walk, see above. He’s also the producer and personally hired the armourer, who had been fired from her previous movie for gross incompetence. The liability insurance is only six million, so Balwin is going to lose a large chunk of his fortune.
the budget is six million, their liability insurance is not known.
AB rants against gun ownership all of the time but most of us who love our guns know exactly how to use them safely and without much more than a second thought. We treat all of them as loaded, we don’t point them at anything but the ground or straight up and we don’t put our fingers on triggers until we are ready to shoot.
We could tell that to this crazy assed misfit but he wouldn’t listen.
Living here in Santa Fe the conversation is everywhere and the local paper has been publishing wide ranging items garnered locally and abroad. The Santa Fe paper is a liberal rag but they find this story interesting, I guess. A mutiny took place on this movie set. They were 12 days into a 21 day shoot. Crew was to arrive at 6:30 am, which is barely daylight, and they didn’t leave 12 to 15 hours later…. in the dark. Baldwin wouldn’t pay for local motel rooms which would have been a 15 minute drive. Instead crew was expected to drive an hour to Albuquerque to stay in a near-homeless shelter. Homeless folks could stay there for a few bucks but crew was expected to pay $10 extra. A lot of the crew was sleeping in their cars on the set. Halyna Hutchins went to bat for the crew telling Baldwin they were going to strike if he didn’t lighten up. Baldwin ignored that and the crew walked. Baldwin already had a non-union crew instantly ready to roll but they were denied access to the set. Hiring scabs during a strike never goes over well. A couple of hours after the mutiny Baldwin aimed the gun and fired.
“Crew was to arrive at 6:30 am, which is barely daylight, and they didn’t leave 12 to 15 hours later…. in the dark”
SOP, they would have a “turn around” of eight hours (maybe ten) from wrap to the next calltime. this is why the starting time each day is progressively later.
in my experience.
normal practice.
it might be a “mixed” contract allowing non-union workers to crew it along with the unionized.
Her tattoo of a raven on Poe’s head…. Macabre bitch.
Does the killed woman have a husband? If so, he ought to take these assholes out. All of em. From a couple hundred yards. 30.06 Screw the courts and the lawyers and all the legal stunts. Take my wife’s. I take yours. At my age, more life without my wife wouldn’t be worth much to me, anyways.
I like your reasoning Lance.
The so called legal remedy is not an option. The courts, lawyers, cops and etc. are just, fu*k B*d*n material.
We The People must take care of business now. My suggestion would be 6.5 in a modern platform.
No such revenge will ever occur, Lance. Haylna left a boy about age 8 and her husband has already voiced total support and forgiveness for Baldwin. This is a surreal phenomenon these past few years… surviving family members forgiving the perpetrators, INSTANTLY, for the most disgusting behavior.
“Instant forgiveness” is what is taught these days in what I call “Christianity Light”. This is pure nonsense. Properly understood, it works like this: Sin, Repentance, Confession, Penance, Forgiveness—in that order. No penance—paying for the sin—no forgiveness. Modern fluffy “Christians” throw around their cheap “forgiveness” as if they were passing out candy to children. Jesus forgave the “Good Thief” but left him to die from crucifixion as penance.
I had a discussion with a Christian friend of mine who vehemently disagreed with this. He claimed that one should forgive all sins instantly and for all time. This, he believed, was what Christ taught. I proposed to him this: Imagine you’re walking in the city at night with your three daughters. A man steps out of an alley, forces you to your knees, and rapes your daughters one by one, then rapes your wife, then kills all four, then walks freely away. After each outrage would you say to the man, “I forgive you!”?
Folks say that Jesus from the Cross forgave the Romans who crucified Him. No He did not. He asked His Father in Heaven for a special favor: “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.”—Luke 23:34.
To “forgive” someone who feels no remorse for his sin is a ridiculous and emotional waste of time. Our entire penal system is based on the opposite, that a criminal must confess his crime and do his penance—whether 25 years in prison or execution—before he has “paid his debt to society”.
The husband of the woman killed by Baldwin can say and feel whatever he wishes, but his emotions do not change the facts of the matter. Baldwin must publicly show remorse, must confess and must accept whatever his penance might be.
All sins, every damn one of them, must be paid for, either on earth or after death. Best pay for them in the here and now. It’s cheaper that way.
Spot on. Also, misplaced compassion is a sin.
.. killed woman have a husband? That’s the best thing about this mess. Her husband is a top corporate lawyer in LA.
When everyone is finished with him, Baldwin is going to be looking for a job as one of Fauci’s dogs.
Ol’ Lance has got it right.
well.
he’s no less a vomitmonger.
so, there.
Regardless, this is criminal recklessness, a felony. The MSM is setting the stage for zero charges. Cuz it’s very body else’s responsibility to check the chamber, and not point and pull the trigger.
Lots and lots of money Shall exchange hands, don’t be surprised when this douchebag pleas to a slap on the wrist.
baldwin money will make this disappear
strange people, strange times, anything can and does happen
pay attention
Who is Ray Epps, “Revolver News”has done an outstanding investigation not only into who Epps is, but exactly who he and a few others represent on Jan 6th worked with
Outstanding investigation, Who, What, Where, When, Why and How. Worth the time to read it.
Dirk
Agree. Epps was very tight with the head of Oath Keepers also.
Charlie Daniels had it right in Uneasy Rider. “You may not believe it, but this man’s a spy! He’s an undercover agent for the Eff Bee Eye, sent down from Washington to infiltrate the Klu Klux Klan.”
IMO Aesop has fallen for the common leftist frame that Democrats are allowed to spout whatever nonsense they like, but everything on the right needs to be triple-checked, verified and reviewed by committee for accuracy & non-offensiveness before it is allowed to be published.
Fsck that shit. One of the most pretentious bores on the left fscked up, and we should have a field day with it. That man failed to be responsible as an actor and as a producer and should suffer the consequences. Don’t expect anything from the legal system. They are too busy investigating parents for speaking up at school boards.
Exactly.
If this had happened to a conservative, Baldwin and his commie shitheads would be baying for blood too. They’d probably get it. And like as not, ol’ Aesop here would be giving us caustic lectures on gun safety. Fuck him, he’s an idiot. And fuck Hollywood and California too. The judicial system is a farce, and it only works in one direction. It’s time to change that.
Some conservatives need to ‘Maxine Waterl’ this: tell the judges and the media fags that when this goes to trial – they better reach the right verdict… or else. I want the same treatment for Baldwin that cop got in the George Floyd case. I want to see Baldwin charged with murder one AND manslaughter at the same time. If we have to live in clown world, so do the commies and the shitlibs.
And if that started civil war two… I’d be just peachy with it.
A woman lost her life, a husband lost his mate,,,a son lost his mother. We are about to see the two tiered system in play.
After roughly five yr into my career, I let my emotion in. After you bag and tag enough dead folks, I was to the point I had to know who exactly these people were,,,,,,,who their families were, a heart breaking journey, but something in my mind demanded I learn who they were, their family.
Always thought it weird until maybe five years ago. I was approached by an old friend, a fire Captain, with the local fire department. Was at my credit union when he asked if he could speak with me. Sure.
He struggled to form and verbalize his thoughts. In a nut shell he wanted to know how I handled hundreds of dead people in my 25 years, from natural cause deaths to murders, to car crash’s. This was from this man’s heart he was struggling with the question , trying hard to find answers.
My answer was simple, Mike I didn’t. I kept my composure I did my job, but when I was back in my car, I prayed and I prayed and I prayed that these people didn’t suffer, more so I prayed for those left to live.
And Mike, I cried my eyes out every time. Like a sissy, I cried in sorrow for the family left to address their loss. Did it privately, but it was the only logical tool I had. Couldn’t change the outcome, I was helpless to help. And it hurt deeply.
Mikes seeing a head doc now, as I did, wrestling with the emotional part of the job, the part nobody can teach you. The path is always individual.
Huge difference in a death in dirkadirka Stan, in a war, and scraping up citizens from your turf. Seeing their families, morn, grieve, try and put the pieces back together. It hurt me badly. But nothing compared to what they were dealing with.
they always eventually wanted answers to questions I simply couldn’t answer. Questions only God could answer.
VI
Beautifully said, and handled. Never easy. And prayer always helps….He listens.
Here is my opinion on the Alec Baldwin “incident”: I don’t have an opinion. (Trust me when I say that was hard to write.) I know nothing about movie sets, prop guns, Hollywood firearms training—and on and on. Here’s what we know: 1. Baldwin fired a gun; 2. A woman was killed. That’s it. The truth might come out. Or not. But Baldwin did fire a gun. And a woman was indeed killed.
“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”—John Adams
The fact that Baldwin is a classic big mouthed, arrogant, condescending, ignorant, bigoted POS changes nothing. His career is over. Let’s call it Karma and be done with it.
Meanwhile, peruse this. It is perhaps the finest Hollywood Western shootout of all time. Think of how many “firearms experts” were on this set. Oh…and no one was killed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ph7DnMqodm4
That’s a huge problem too. Why are the facts not coming out? Why the secrecy? I think we all know.
And no, let’s NOT sweep this under the rug and forget about it. I want the same treatment for Baldwin that Derek Chauvin got. Or Kyle Rittenhouse. Or that kid in the MAGA hat that dared to smile at that red nogger that walked up to him and started wailing and beating the drum – the one the media accused of being in the Hitler Youth.
Baldwin would make an excellent sacrifice to the judiciary of clown world.
“Why are the facts not coming out?” Because they are still being gathered. Witness testimonies, evidence collection, an autopsy: These take time. Perhaps months. Perhaps a year.
“Why the secrecy?” There is no secrecy that I can discern.
“And no, let’s NOT sweep this under the rug and forget about it.” Such a desire is admirable, but it is not up to us; It is up to the investigative agencies, the New Mexico attorney general, perhaps a grand jury, the courts, lawyers, and judges.
“I want the same treatment for Baldwin that Derek Chauvin got…” So you desire injustice? False accusations? Corrupt and politically motivated judiciaries? Such a statement says much about you but does nothing for justice.
“Baldwin would make an excellent sacrifice to the judiciary of clown world.” Revenge is not a policy. It is a surrender to emotion.
Don’t trust Baldwin, Baldwin is a**hole, Not germane, granted.
However;
Facts.
The gun was in, and only in Baldwins hand.
Baldwin and only Baldwin pointed it at the lady.
Baldwin and only Baldwin cocked the piece and pulled the trigger.
Me, why yes I’ve an opinion.
The person pulling the trigger is responsible for anything coming out of the barrel.
So who is that?
Lot’s of emotion and schadenfreude over the Baldwin “incident”. Many on our side are enjoying poor little Alec’s predicament. Count me as one of them. If he were worthy of my hatred, I would hate him. But he is not. He is a despicable creep, but no more than that. He is not important enough to hate. Do you hate a rock in your shoe?
And he deserves whatever law he can afford. We are not yet a communist nation, and the law still functions here and there. Let it play out. In the meantime, it’s quite comforting to revel in Baldwin’s misery.
As for a rabid desire for revenge: “A man who seeks revenge should dig two graves.” And did not some Carpenter claim that revenge was His? And only His?
You want to toss out whatever law remains in our dying Republic just to get at Baldwin? Ok then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDBiLT3LASk
Good luck in the world you made.
Mike Austin,
Well said, and presented. It is hard to argue against such ugly truth in an allegory from a movie clip. There is optimism implicit in such course of action as you argue; an act of faith.
“… A fretful discontented spirit lies open to many temptations; and those that indulge it are in danger of doing evil. “ (Last sentence, para. I., Matthew Henry’s Commentary, Psalm 37, Verses 7-20 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+37&version=AKJV (right-hand window, scroll down to “Commentaries”, ninth listing). The entire Psalm and commentary are worth the time required; given all that is currently challenging us, individually and as a society, leading some to focus their “frustration” and “hatred” on an easy visual such as “Baldwin the Arrogant”.
Inevitably Psalm 37 will spark a discussion of the word “meek” as used therein and elsewhere in the Bible. Many definitions are offered; a simple “search” will confirm. Those that focus on “self-restraint”, “patience to endure offenses”, “a calm temper of mind, not easily provoked” best speak to the courage and strength which are prerequisites to faith in G-d and the ultimate defeat of evil.
Thank you for that. It has been bookmarked so that I can devote to it the study that it deserves.
Psalm 37: It reminded me why I was saved.
Lot’s of emotion and schadenfreude over the Baldwin “incident”….
Agreed, Mike. It is very tempting to jump on the schadenfreude bandwagon and say “Baldwin is an asshole and ought to have the book thrown at him.” That Baldwin is a class-1 asshole is immaterial. As Aggie notes below, the holes in the Swiss cheese lined up and Baldwin was part of that.
I try to remember that Karma isn’t just a dancer down at the gentlemen’s club. That girl can be a bitch. The schadenfreude I might enjoy today over Baldwin’s plight can quickly be brought right back at me.
“I try to remember that Karma isn’t just a dancer down at the gentlemen’s club.” Now that is a great line! But I will never admit that I was at that “gentlemen’s club.” No sir.
Karma works in one direction. To enjoy her company is not to be at all concerned that she will visit you. Karma must be earned. Baldwin earned it; now he is receiving his paycheck.
To enjoy Karma is to grant her a compliment.
Baldwin is just as responsible and accountable as any gun holder is when they pick up a piece.
The incident is a very apt example of the Swiss Cheese model of incident investigation. There were several barriers to the tragedy, several slices of cheese. But Swiss cheese has holes, and sometimes the holes line up, one after another: Mixed ammunition on the set; Props being used for target practice; labor unrest; poorly defined roles and responsibilities; safety-critical roles taken by inexperienced personnel; handing out weapons without knowing their status; accepting a weapon without knowing its status. All the holes lined up, resulting in another one.
Baldwin had the gun last.
Re ipsa loquitur.
Aggie – “knowing a gun’s status” means checking the gun’s status. For yourself.
Just sayin’.
Precisely what I meant, for both parties. Where was the weapons wrangler?
Was Baldwin pointing the gun at the victim? Was he horsing around?
From what I’ve read he pointed and fired the gun directly at the camera that Halyna Hutchins, photography director, was holding. A live round passed entirely through her chest and went on to break the collar bone of the director. I presume Baldwin was directed to fire the gun and wasn’t goofing around. Don’t know for sure yet. What I’m still wondering is if the gun was fully loaded with live rounds or only that one. A big mistake occurred when that 22 year old girl in the video above EMPTIED the gun before the cops arrived.
“…he pointed and fired the gun directly at the camera…”
So, he missed the target?
Well… let’s just say he aimed in the direction of the camera and fired… which was probably going to be good enough for what they wanted to accomplish… and the camera was held by Ms. Hutchins while the director was standing directly behind her. He did not miss the target.
I gather they were rehearsing an ‘insert’ shot, doing a close-up of his hand pulling the gun out of the holster and pointing it, in this case at the camera.
I assume it was intended to show what the other gunfighter saw in detail.
I suppose one *would pull t he trigger for ‘completeness’, as that is what he would do in the actual take.
Still on him for not doing all of the safety stuff himself.
I’ll keep this short and to the point. With all the finger pointing and blame this or that or whatever. From what I have heard and read, Baldwin FAILED to check the gun after it was given to him. It’s his, he owns it. He is to blame. It’s his failure to check whether loaded or unloaded and with what.
Baldwin is on record bragging recently about his gun handling skilz. I am guessing that means someone showed him how to twirl a revolver and how to hold and point a handgun in a convincing manner. What it doesn’t mean, in the case of someone with Baldwin’s ego, is that any of the lessons on safe handling penetrated past his eardrums. He’s far too clever to let himself be distracted by that stuff.
The lead investigative agency on this appears to be New Mexico’s OSHA. The Santa Fe county sheriff appears to have closed their case. This could mean that this will be handled as a workplace accident, and as a workers’ compensation case. That means no multi-million dollar lawsuits. That’s what happened to that Minnesota Viking football player who died during practice at training camp. Workers’ Comp paid out routine survivor benefit. The Vikings’ owners apparently did grant the widow some kind of donation, but it was not something they had to do.
To fire a Colt 1873 Single Action Army revolver (or a replica):
1. The hammer is pulled to half-cock, allowing the cylinder to rotate, and the side gate is opened
2. A cartridge is inserted into the cylinder
3. If not fully loaded, the cylinder must be rotated until the loaded chamber is next up
4. The hammer is pulled back into the fully cocked position. This action rotates the cylinder, placing the cartridge in line with the barrel and ready for the firing pin to strike the cartridge’s primer.
5. The revolver is aimed and the index finger pulls the trigger, releasing the hammer to strike the primer.
6. Boom. The lead projectile — somewhere around 250 grains in weight — is driven down the barrel at around 800 feet per second.
Baldwin didn’t simply point the gun and “it went off.” He had to pull the hammer back, aim, and pull the trigger.
Why he pointed the gun at the 42-yr old female Director of Photography is a reasonable question.
I could not care less about Alec Baldwin, and no one commenting here should either. He is nothing. Nothing. America is falling to socialists and evil men, Republican and Democrat though they may call themselves, and this distraction, by this nothing man, has so engrossed American minds it’s as if they are junkies.
The Left uses occurrences like this for political purposes. So, this matter could have implications for laws, insurance, and other matters germane to the Second Amendment and gun owners. For reasons like those, this matter deserves scrutiny and discussion.
“I could not care less about Alec Baldwin, and no one commenting here should either.”
Oh come on John! Let us have our fun! You come across as a prim, pinched faced little prig. You are really telling us that we should not enjoy Baldwin’s embarrassment? Why not? Who are you to tell us what we should enjoy?
Your comment reminded me of the criticism of the Calvinists, that they were not at all bothered by sin, but they went apoplectic that someone, somewhere, might be enjoying himself.
Chill dude. Enjoy the embarrassment of your foes. And don’t tell others on your side what to do.
Oh come on John! Let us have our fun! You come across as a prim, pinched faced little prig.
Well, Mike, though my comment seems to have rubbed you the wrong way, I still could not care less about Alec Baldwin and this incident. There are too many important matters to consider rather than Baldwin, or individuals of his ilk. Have fun.
“Well, Mike, though my comment seems to have rubbed you the wrong way.” Not at all. You have no such power. I found your response humorless and priggish—like a post-menopausal schoolmarm. You were telling adults how to behave. Maybe you should seek employment with the Biden administration. They specialize in such attitudes.
“There are too many important matters to consider rather than Baldwin.” So go consider them. And leave people with a sense of humor in peace.
“Have fun.” So I have your permission to do so?
For the love of Heaven, lighten up.
Would appear AB and his posse violated just about every single gun safety rule. It will be surprising if charges brought are not gross negligence or worse.
Alec Baldwin is a member of the liberal elite. And New Mexico is mostly a liberal faction, at least while the current ruling administration has their hands upon it. Our Gov. Michelle is Democrat to the bone and calling for the dismissal of every unvaxxed employee. New Mexico doesn’t produce anything except post cards and chile peppers. We have no industries here. This place is dirt poor. We are always running for first place with Alabama and Mississippi for the poverty crown. The movie industry here is a miracle money-maker and I can imagine a typical liberal judge is going to work to protect that goose and its golden eggs. I bet we’ll see a scapegoat; looking like the dude who’s been fired already for sloppy gun management; and it won’t be Baldwin, who will only be exonerated, as he does such good for the world and thinks the right thoughts. Notice the first thing he screamed out was, ” Who gave me a hot gun?” His first responsibility was to check the gun himself but his knee jerk reaction was to pass the blame.
Geez, Tom, there’s one or two other things. There’s nukes, for example. New Mexico doesn’t build them, but they design them and store them. There’s a couple of Air Force bases that do spooky things. Down southeast there’s oil, but I grant you that Gov. Michelle and her friends want to kill off that golden goose. There’s cattle down that way also, and some sheep. Rich Texans and Mexicans still come up and over to vacation. Lessee…pine nuts, plenty of that. Pinto beans! There’s an Indian casino about every 10 miles between Santa Fe and Albuquerque. And geez, there must be a factory or two in the big city. Okay, you’re right, but except for the Journada del Muerte, you can buy a burrito made by a certified grandmother or auntie within 50 miles of anywhere.
Hi Gordon. Yeah, I know of those spooky government operations that employ the soldiers and Phd’s of Kirtland AB and Los Alamos and those folks do pick up a paycheck. However, a vast group of Los Alamos people refused the vaxx and were fired this past Friday. This morning there’s a big lawsuit they’ve launched. Gov. Michelle began her career as Health Secretary under Gov. Bill Richardson so her tentacles to Big Pharma are muscular and threatening, still. Plus, she subscribes to every liberal fantasy and that entails the oil industry must cease because of “climate change.” There was an interesting survey a few years back that scored the leverage of “Takers” vs. “Makers” and New Mexico claimed the top of the heap of Takers for sucking up the welfare bennies while the State produces the lowest national level of wealth. New Mexico is number 1 per capita for teenage pregnancy, heroin and meth abuse, high school drop out, drunken driving deaths, and probably, carb intake due to those bean burritos.
Scott McKay at American Spectator has written a concise summary of Alec Baldwin’s deadly fiasco which includes a swell indictment of sanctimonious yet hypocritical Hollywood and its players who would punish responsible gun owners. A very fine read.
https://spectator.org/the-alec-baldwin-shooting-is-modern-hollywood-to-a-t/
Dirk I have added you and yours to my prayer list, as prayer never hurts even from a slug such as I. Life is too short for real hate. GV hope everything is going swell. Thanks for your site.
XX, I except your prayers, being in gods good graces are still a good thing,” I think” although I had a rough bout in church last week.
I happily admit I’m one flawed human being,,,, really really flawed. And I apologize for my bulldog ways. I’m actually a very mellow person. When I write, my mind goes nuts. Mostly what I pen is really to myself, so I can revisit at some point to determine if I was accurate.
That I often offend others is but one of my curses in life.
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They were probably doing an insert shot, to show what the other gun fighter would see. He pulled the gun from the holster, and pointed it at the camera.
My guess is he pulled the trigger for ‘completeness’, as that is what he needed to do in the take.
He apparently assumed the gun was ‘cold’ because the AD said so.
And here we are.
Always been amused at Aesop’s views. Rarely have I shared his views, even more rarely do I read his stuff.
Many years ago, I came to recognize WRSA’s reading list is all about Group think. Dangerous in my opinion. Not bad, just not for me. I’m still capable of forming me own opinions based on facts. Something those sites are usually really short on.
Which is where I was exposed to aesops stuff. He’s not going anywhere, an Internet personality, whom some think walks on water. No doubt an alpha dog, willing to eat his own, if they dare to cross him on his site.
Hell a good spankings not always a bad thing. The weaklings fall righttttttt back in line. Always get a good laugh out of that.
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