Very few will ever know the truth, we will know what THEY want us to know. — Dirk
Breaching with a 223/556 is what a retard would do. Breaching is done with a shotgun shooting Avon rounds, a ceramic round designed to shear the bolting mech. I’ve got some experience shooting a breaching shotgun into doors.
The most practical is to breach at the hinges, not the doorknob. A shotgun with a two-inch stand-off device attached to the barrel’s end, with slots so debris doesn’t foul the barrel.
While I’m admittedly not an expert I have done perhaps two dozen doors over my 27 years. The breaching shotgun is a secondary weapon, that is usually not used after the breach, and entry weapons are used after the doors are blown.
Commands used to be, “Breacher up,” from stick leader. Breacher announces “Breeching” then two shots, one top hinge, and one lower hinge. If three hinges are present the third round from command to execution is mere seconds. Breachers will then fall in at the back of the stick, for making entry.
A hooligan tool is always present to pry the hinged side if required. In fact, the breeching device on the end of the shotgun is very similar to a “ Duckbill”, but it’s not a duck bill. A duckbill is crimped on the end to spread shot, not capable of shooting slugs or avons.
I’m told new rounds are being used. A softer metal that won’t cause shrapnel from entering the room being breached.
It is critical to understand that military breaching is in many ways different from a police breach. Objectives are the same, the stated goals are different. Police want zero sprawl entering the hostages’ area.
Hope this helps you to understand
Dirk — June 12, 2022, 6:10 AM
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Hard plates are in most modern police vehicles anymore. Mine are four pounds each, will stop 556, 308, etc etc, capabilities. Plates are a luxury. I rarely wore armor, I had it and understood the possibilities of my choice.
Plates and armor are not a factor here, most poopoo I know would gladly sacrifice their lives for a child, or 500.
Do not misunderstand this is a MANAGEMENT failure. This is a TRAINING failure. Police academies are teaching police to stand by and await supervision before doing anything.
While it means zero, I see that something evil has taken over. Police academies are given curricula by Chiefs of Police State Sheriffs Assn and other legislative entities. Basically, men and women who’ve sucked their way to the top were mostly piss poor street cops. I’ve dealt with them my entire career. Zero respect for any of them.
Bottom-level street cops MUST engage the threat, with or without support. In a fight, the cop has to fight smart, not just smart. A 100 yrs ago I worked for a Sheriff named Bruce Mix, in Modoc County Ca, the guy stood five ft two, with his cowboy boots,
On my first day there he provided me with a mini 14 with selector switch, semi-three round, and auto, ten-thirty round mags. I was jazzed. It’s what he said that stuck with me to this day.
“ Dirk, you’re a resident Deputy, In Newell, you have zero back-ups, you get in the shit, stay calm, shoot straight, I’ve given you enough ammo and mags to keep their heads down. We’ll be along eventually, so don’t worry.
Solid advice for every lawman. Fight but manage your tools. I’ve retired 14 yrs now, I remember how it was, how it still should be, not this hide behind your squad vehicle awaits supervisor nonsense.
I recall more than five times but less than 100 times being badly outnumbered by bad guys. The policeman’s most important tool is what’s between his or her ears. Nothing wrong with thinking and working outside the box.
Thank you for your service. I am in my late 70’s and was raised to admire and respect veterans and law enforcement for putting their lives on the line for us. I grieve what our country has become.
The Mini 14 remains a fine rifle, even without a selector switch. I can only imagine what all you saw during your days as a LEO, Dirk. Thanks for your insights, and the duties you performed during your days on patrol.
FooJune 13, 2022, 1:54 PM
Thanks for reality checking Dirk.
I appreciate you brother.
Much like the military, the warriors are leaving, to the rent seeking civil service and/or blue muni pension counters…
who understand they are under no legal obligation to “serve and protect…”
See Chicago MTA as early example…
KCKJune 13, 2022, 2:47 PM
You don’t want to know where my mind goes with this. You just don’t.
If any fight is a fair fight, you are planning to lose it.
My compliments, Dirk. The LEO I knew in the Guard were guys I respected (70s and 80s).
DavidJune 13, 2022, 6:32 PM
“If any fight is a fair fight, you are planning to lose it.”
Indeed
Mr. G’s done his homework again! In my youth, I was a training junkie, this stuff was exciting, law enforcement tends to get blinded by supervision.
Draw a circle, a dot in the center, now make a upside down V, a slice of pie. That slice of pie is where most cops are comfortable working, it’s their bosses comfort zone. Yet I worked in the rest of the pie, why limit your tools, if it was moral, ethical, lawful,,,,,,,,,,
Two kinds of cops, “Hunters” and “ Slugs”, I hunted came natural to me, I was hell on wheels as a kid, I just naturally understood how people thought and reacted, cuz I was one of them once.
Criminals tend to leave tells, or, signatures. For style points. Example Burglars don’t just commit one burglary. They are burglars, that’s what they do. However burglars enter or exit, travel to and from the crime scene in detectable patterns.
“ Hunters, are patient watch analyze and track each pattern, usually took me four to eight burglaries before I could identify the burglar. Then the hunt began. Finger prints were handy,,,,, but shoe prints were king.
It’s rare a burglar will change out their shoes. Even back then Id frame up good shoe prints,,and pour molds of shoe prints. Bingo,
And EVERY burglar caught has got a dozen or more burgs under their belts.
Burglary’s a felony. Many cops scoff at the crime, my observation is burglary’s very serious, when a criminals in your home stealing your shit, sniffing the wife’s dirty panties, it don’t get more personal then that.
Someone just emailed me a “door breaching” vid from a tier-one outfit. I laughed gleefully. Don’t misunderstand I admire these guys, I really do. Think it’s Captsjournal
Three shotgun shots into the bolt groups, the doors still locked. Holding a shotgun upside down away from the body, I guess things have changed. Georgia boy makes a good point. Police agencies ARE NOT Operators. Need to stay in their lane. Mission objectives are clearly different.
Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch Fame once told a group of police officers present at the ranch, Clint said “Dudes you’re police officers, not operators.” Which took the wind out of this crew of swat cops who somehow flipped the switch, in their minds, thinking they were operators. Actually very common.
The point is Clint’s bold challenge was well-timed. One of the key items killing civilians is this. It takes ten to fifteen minutes to change out of one street uniform into their swat uniforms. That’s 15 minutes those in danger simply can’t afford that waste of time.
This is a magnification of out-of-touch police leadership. This poor leadership is killing citizens.
There is a time and a place to play dress-up when a warrant’s about to be executed. There’s ample pre-warrant service time to dress in swat garb.
I mentioned a sheriff I had back in 87, us single/ resident deputies were the swat team, I was 70 plus miles away from the office. We were the head cook and bottle washer. We were the EMS provider. It is once again piss poor leadership which is responsible for under-prepared beat cops, who should have the skills to engage stay alive and divert the shooter’s intended goals.
It’s always been clear to me that if a shooter’s shooting, that one cop needs to engage, and require the shit-stain shooter to refocus his efforts on his intent. I always carried at least 10 30-round mags. My job as stated by my then sheriff, Bruce Mix was to keep their heads down, the Calvary would be along eventually.
Solid advice, from a no-nonsense elected sheriff, in a huge county in northern Calif, a man who clearly understood the priority of saving lives.
Civilian doors are rarely steel, the vast majority of doors are the cheapest door the contractors could purchase.
The beards amuse me. 14 years ago I grew one of those. Then they became vogue! Mine was gone quickly. I detest vogue anything, fucking posers.
The kit is cool shit, I still have all of it, but the most modern available.
It’s simply not practical for police-related work 99% of the time. When seconds are everything, law enforcement doesn’t have extra minutes available to drop one uniform for another.
The issue needs to be identified based on radio info being received, the officer needs to have his kit list in his head and his “war bag” ready to go with his critical kit as he’s exiting his unit.
The video is worth reviewing, good points are made. Then some pretty dumb shit happens. The extended shotgun is a semi-auto, under pressure that weapon is a liability.
Rev.Bro. Generik BroderickJune 23, 2022, 4:32 AM
Dead horse kicking time. Now it is revealed “the door” was UNLOCKED. Lock picking lawyer would have noted that and maintained stealth, etc. So all the “shoot forst, ask questions later” guys and gals might have been wrong. It’s all in the wrist. And security cameras. Wake up time.
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While I’m admittedly not an expert I have done perhaps two dozen doors over my 27 years. The breaching shotgun is a secondary weapon, that is usually not used after the breach, and entry weapons are used after the doors are blown.
Hard plates are in most modern police vehicles anymore. Mine are four pounds each, will stop 556, 308, etc etc, capabilities. Plates are a luxury. I rarely wore armor, I had it and understood the possibilities of my choice.
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Thank you for your service. I am in my late 70’s and was raised to admire and respect veterans and law enforcement for putting their lives on the line for us. I grieve what our country has become.
The Mini 14 remains a fine rifle, even without a selector switch. I can only imagine what all you saw during your days as a LEO, Dirk. Thanks for your insights, and the duties you performed during your days on patrol.
Thanks for reality checking Dirk.
I appreciate you brother.
Much like the military, the warriors are leaving, to the rent seeking civil service and/or blue muni pension counters…
who understand they are under no legal obligation to “serve and protect…”
See Chicago MTA as early example…
You don’t want to know where my mind goes with this. You just don’t.
If any fight is a fair fight, you are planning to lose it.
My compliments, Dirk. The LEO I knew in the Guard were guys I respected (70s and 80s).
“If any fight is a fair fight, you are planning to lose it.”
Indeed
Hostage negotiations.
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Mr. G’s done his homework again! In my youth, I was a training junkie, this stuff was exciting, law enforcement tends to get blinded by supervision.
Draw a circle, a dot in the center, now make a upside down V, a slice of pie. That slice of pie is where most cops are comfortable working, it’s their bosses comfort zone. Yet I worked in the rest of the pie, why limit your tools, if it was moral, ethical, lawful,,,,,,,,,,
Two kinds of cops, “Hunters” and “ Slugs”, I hunted came natural to me, I was hell on wheels as a kid, I just naturally understood how people thought and reacted, cuz I was one of them once.
Criminals tend to leave tells, or, signatures. For style points. Example Burglars don’t just commit one burglary. They are burglars, that’s what they do. However burglars enter or exit, travel to and from the crime scene in detectable patterns.
“ Hunters, are patient watch analyze and track each pattern, usually took me four to eight burglaries before I could identify the burglar. Then the hunt began. Finger prints were handy,,,,, but shoe prints were king.
It’s rare a burglar will change out their shoes. Even back then Id frame up good shoe prints,,and pour molds of shoe prints. Bingo,
And EVERY burglar caught has got a dozen or more burgs under their belts.
Burglary’s a felony. Many cops scoff at the crime, my observation is burglary’s very serious, when a criminals in your home stealing your shit, sniffing the wife’s dirty panties, it don’t get more personal then that.
Someone just emailed me a “door breaching” vid from a tier-one outfit. I laughed gleefully. Don’t misunderstand I admire these guys, I really do. Think it’s Captsjournal
Three shotgun shots into the bolt groups, the doors still locked. Holding a shotgun upside down away from the body, I guess things have changed. Georgia boy makes a good point. Police agencies ARE NOT Operators. Need to stay in their lane. Mission objectives are clearly different.
Clint Smith of Thunder Ranch Fame once told a group of police officers present at the ranch, Clint said “Dudes you’re police officers, not operators.” Which took the wind out of this crew of swat cops who somehow flipped the switch, in their minds, thinking they were operators. Actually very common.
The point is Clint’s bold challenge was well-timed. One of the key items killing civilians is this. It takes ten to fifteen minutes to change out of one street uniform into their swat uniforms. That’s 15 minutes those in danger simply can’t afford that waste of time.
This is a magnification of out-of-touch police leadership. This poor leadership is killing citizens.
There is a time and a place to play dress-up when a warrant’s about to be executed. There’s ample pre-warrant service time to dress in swat garb.
I mentioned a sheriff I had back in 87, us single/ resident deputies were the swat team, I was 70 plus miles away from the office. We were the head cook and bottle washer. We were the EMS provider. It is once again piss poor leadership which is responsible for under-prepared beat cops, who should have the skills to engage stay alive and divert the shooter’s intended goals.
It’s always been clear to me that if a shooter’s shooting, that one cop needs to engage, and require the shit-stain shooter to refocus his efforts on his intent. I always carried at least 10 30-round mags. My job as stated by my then sheriff, Bruce Mix was to keep their heads down, the Calvary would be along eventually.
Solid advice, from a no-nonsense elected sheriff, in a huge county in northern Calif, a man who clearly understood the priority of saving lives.
Civilian doors are rarely steel, the vast majority of doors are the cheapest door the contractors could purchase.
The beards amuse me. 14 years ago I grew one of those. Then they became vogue! Mine was gone quickly. I detest vogue anything, fucking posers.
The kit is cool shit, I still have all of it, but the most modern available.
It’s simply not practical for police-related work 99% of the time. When seconds are everything, law enforcement doesn’t have extra minutes available to drop one uniform for another.
The issue needs to be identified based on radio info being received, the officer needs to have his kit list in his head and his “war bag” ready to go with his critical kit as he’s exiting his unit.
The video is worth reviewing, good points are made. Then some pretty dumb shit happens. The extended shotgun is a semi-auto, under pressure that weapon is a liability.
Dead horse kicking time. Now it is revealed “the door” was UNLOCKED. Lock picking lawyer would have noted that and maintained stealth, etc. So all the “shoot forst, ask questions later” guys and gals might have been wrong. It’s all in the wrist. And security cameras. Wake up time.