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WE (The US) Started This War by Karl Denninger @ Market Ticker (full post)

From:  WE (The US) Started This War in [Market-Ticker-Nad]

Here are the conditions Russia has set forth to stop it.




A reminder for all you war-mongering *******s who support “whatever it takes” to make Russia “stop”:

      • We, the United States, repeatedly promised Russia when the Iron Curtain came down and the Warsaw Pact dissolved that we would not expand NATO eastward toward the Russian border.  Go look at the nations our Senate admitted by formal treaty in 2004.  We did this.  We deliberately and intentionally lied and by doing so proved to Russia that we were not to be trusted and our word was worthless on the international stage. 
      • We, the United States, formally and openly supported the shooting revolution at Maidan Square during the 2014 timeframe which included the killing of civilians and installation of Zelenskyy.  There was a serious sniping incident during that time.  Not one person who was involved in same was arrested and prosecuted.  This ought to inform you as to which side committed said offense since the other side, the sitting government at the time, was deposed.  If you’re so ****ing stupid as to believe that the sitting government of the time committed that atrocity and Zelenskyy’s government then “forgave and forgot” about the snipers rather than arresting, prosecuting and executing them you are so ****ing stupid you deserve to be nuked, especially considering that Ukraine just summarily executed one of their peace negotiators who they deemed “disloyal.”  The current Ukrainian government certainly has no problem with capital punishment, even when employed summarily without trial.
      • Crimea contained a Russian NAVAL PORT all the way back through and to the USSR.  Indeed that land has been part of whatever was called “Russia” all the way back through the time of Nicholas II and before!  If you think Russia was going to give that up at the behest of a United States supported shooting revolution, having it literally taken by force of arms you’re out of your ****ing mind and your entire genetic line ought to go sit in an operating nuclear reactor and be recycled.  Russia went into Crimea and secured that which was theirs before Ukraine was split off.  If you claim to honor national boundaries and reject the use of military force to change who owns what then you damn well have to extend it to when its inconvenient to your other goals.  If not then just sit down, shut the **** up and deal with the fact that political entities take and protect land by force and, when it was theirs and someone takes it in a shooting revolution this sort of action should be expected.  This is no different than what we would do in the United States if China agitated and supported Mexico and California in breaking away, affiliating with Mexico with explicit Chinese backing, did so by shooting people and seized San Diego in the process.
      • Zelenskyy has continued siphoning off the same sort of bribes his predecessors did.  If you think for one second that his former job, or his current one, was and is worth over one billion dollars you ought to immediately cut off your own genitals and kill any children you already produced so you cannot propagate your genetic line.  You really are that ****ing stupid and neither you or your children have business drawing oxygen from the air as your stupidity is materially adding to the probability of half of this nation being killed in a nuclear war and the starvation that will follow it.  

    1. These are the same oligarchs in Ukraine that funneled cash through Hunter Biden and myriad other people and which provided the “10 percent to the big guy” who is the douchebag that is our current President.  Everyone with more than two firing neurons knows that Ukraine has been a corrupt cesspool for decades and our politicians along with those in myriad other nations are on the take, getting rich off of it while directly supporting and steering the political climate there for profit, including killing those people who get in their way. 
    2. Speaking of oligarchs why is it that seizing the assets of the Russian ones is fine but the Ukrainian ones who are supplying bribes to western government officials are free to operate and keep their stuffIf we have suddenly grown a conscience with corrupt, embedded *******s who are part and parcel of foreign governments why haven’t all the ones who are feeding Zelenskyy and who fed Hunter and Joe Biden had their assets seized?
    3. The current Ukraine government had, just prior to the Russian incursion, massed tens of thousands of troops on the border of Donetsk province.  It is reasonable to presume that their intentions were less than honorable considering that Zelenskyy’s government had been shelling that province on and off for the last eight years. 
    4. BOTH Donetsk and Lugansk are majority-Russian and declared their independence.  If it is legitimate for Ukraine to do so and if it is legitimate for the United States to have done so then it is also legitimate for these provinces to do so and to decide they’d prefer affiliation with Russia.  I remind you, once again, the current Ukraine Government has been shelling the people who live there.  What would you think of our government if you lived in Florida and our military was, on occasion, lobbing shells at the “deplorables” who lived there?  Uh huh.

Putin is an ******* but you can both be an ******* and, from your side of the desk, see a repeated, two decade long pattern of aggressive behavior including shelling and shooting people, along with moving nuclear weapons to your front door, held by nations in an alliance that no longer has a reason to exist as the “adversary” it was formed to combat dissolved more than 20 years ago and which appears, based on their pattern of behavior, to be hell-bent on eventually fomenting a shooting revolution in your nation exactly as it did eight years ago in Ukraine.

Then to add to it you have a sitting US Senator who has called for exactly that — your literal assassination, and having done so he was not forced out of office by the body to which he is a member and which has the right and capacity to expel him by vote.

Is Putin’s belief as to NATO’s and the United States intentions what you would expect from a reasonable, thinking person?

You tell me.

Think about the above two conditions folks.  They’re not only reasonable the first one is what we promised Russia we would prevent more than two decades ago and we have serially broken that promise since.

Who’s responsibility is that?


So is the corruption of the current and Obama Administrations with respect to Ukraine and the cross-membership on Burisma’s board, as well as Zelenskyy’s personal wealth accrued as a direct result of said corruption is both well-documented and has reported on for many years prior to Russia’s invasion.  That is not wartime propaganda given the depth and time of said reporting it is fact.

So, it appears, is our direct sponsorship and operation of biolabs in Ukraine, which if true is not only a wild provocation it is also a direct violation of the United Nations charter to which the United States is a signatory.

You want my considered opinion?

We’re risking a nuclear war to protect a corrupt piece of **** named Zelenskyy and an entire ******ned family of corrupt *******s who was proved long ago have sucked off that source of corruption, the head of which is currently the President of the United States and who directly and personally profited from it.

If you support this bull**** and do not insist that we stop it NOW you deserve it if we all glow in the dark.

That’s no bull**** America.  If YOU let this continue to where it is headed today roughly one quarter of the population of this nation has a high probability of being a rapidly expanding ball of 5,000F gas with more than half of the remainder starving or dying of disease and cold over the next five years as our capacity to produce electricity, fuel and food, along with distributing same, never mind medicine, drinkable water and sanitation will be returned to roughly the time of the 1800s and remain there for at least five if not ten or more years.

THAT is our fault as well because WE shipped all of our production capacity and the people over to China, Vietnam, India and similar.  Oh, you’d like a whole new set of transformers for your electrical grid?  That’s nice; we have no ability to make them here nor any people who know how anymore.  The American people’s obsession with stock prices and virtue signaling about “pollution” while shipping all of our production to where literal slave labor and poisoning of the air, land the water take place run by a literal communist nation, which, incidentally, shares a border with Russia and thus they can and will help one another after its over insures that if this happens there will be no road back to modern civilization for a very long time and your odds of living that long are not good at all.

By the way if you think being rich and/or powerful (politically or otherwise) will protect you in some bunker or compound you’re wrong.  Your own security people will kill you because every one of them will know someone who got BBQ’d as a result of what you either did — either directly or when you sat back and let happen while virtue signaling with sanctions and business “suspensions” — and if they don’t frag you whoever remains alive will be extraordinarily motivated in making damned certain your entire genetic line is extinguishednever mind that you can’t stay in that bunker long enough to outlast the damage and as soon as you come out you will be exactly as ****ed by the cold, disease and famine as everyone else.

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  • azlibertarian March 7, 2022, 12:13 PM

    Perhaps I should confess to being more taken than the “Average Guy” to the Gloom & Doomers. My social media feeds are constantly reminding me that the sky is falling and I-need-to-do-something-YESTERDAY!!! I sometimes have to remind myself that most of these guys have very good records at predicting 10 out of the last 3 recessions.

    I used to read Denninger often. Zero Hedge too. But I began to see that in their world, Every. Single. Day we were seeing The-Worst-Thing-EVAR! But, IMO Denninger needs to ease off the coffee a bit. His rhetoric is more than a bit hyperbolic…

    …you ought to immediately cut off your own genitals and kill any children you already produced so you cannot propagate your genetic line….

    I get it….there are credible charges that Zelensky and pre-invasion Ukraine were corrupt. There are also credible charges that the us.gov, or it’s foreign policy, or it’s financial markets, or it’s monetary policy is corrupt too (as anyone awake for the past 2 years can attest). But none of that speaks to Russia’s (corrupt) Putin (especially corrupt) having his tanks roll across borders.

    Sorry, YMMV, but I just can’t give Denninger much of my time.

    • ghostsniper March 7, 2022, 12:53 PM

      Seems you’re more bothered by the method of delivery than the message itself.
      Eliminate the Denningeresque wording and see what’s really there.
      The enemy is inside the wall and is unsheathing it’s swords.
      Is it time to start shooting?

    • Vanderleun March 7, 2022, 1:29 PM

      Lots of folks feel that way but here the perfect is the enemy of the good. “The words of the prophets” are written in the city walls with “cannonballs.”

    • Terry March 7, 2022, 3:45 PM

      I understand your views on the author. However, anything the CIA is involved with is not to the benefit of the people of the USA. This is a true statement going back to the first “work” that agency was involved with. As I have typed before, my father was a civilian pilot who was a contract operator doing CIA operations all over the world.

      I have no doubt that the CIA and other creep operations would start any level of war whatsoever to further their goals whatever that may be. Human or any life has no value to these creeps.

  • Joe Krill March 7, 2022, 12:33 PM

    Taken from most powerful organization on planet earth’s website, the CIA. “In 1999, the compound was renamed the George Bush Center for Intelligence. The name honors President George H.W. Bush and his unique role in Agency history.”
    And the following was said by William Casey.
    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” William Casey, CIA Director 1981

    • Mike Austin March 7, 2022, 3:08 PM

      Casey was a bit premature. Only one-half of the American public feeds upon the scraps from the table of the “Empire of Lies”. The remainder will never do so, and thus is the Empire’s existential threat. And oddly enough, this 50 percent is the same 50 percent that owns 500,000,000 firearms.

      Something’s got to give.

      • James ONeil March 7, 2022, 4:51 PM

        Hope you’re right Mike. I’ve the impression that perhaps 3/4s, rather than half buy the lies. Hard to really tell one way or the other of course as the 24/7 propaganda machine blares loud.

  • Dirk March 7, 2022, 1:31 PM

    It’s all bullshit, and lies. Had to laugh, my pal over on WRSAs peddling Nuke war, as are those EXPERTS over on American Partisan, fucking idiots. Won’t be long, those boys will be doing classes on nuke survival, and for only 795.00 BYOB, of course.

    those bloggers are east coast guys, their all dead as fuck, when and if it starts. Have a look at a Sat pic of the US at night, nuff said.

    It is in fact the US govt pushing for this war, set up brilliantly by Obama in his last term, executed by his minion, the douche bag of Delaware.

    This is how admins cover their tracks, their dirty deed ever few years.

    Here’s the deal, anybody paying attention to the fit young military aged males crossing the border daily? They just want a better life, no really.

    • Vanderleun March 7, 2022, 1:37 PM

      I’m stealing “The Douchebag of Deleware.”

    • Terry March 7, 2022, 3:06 PM

      “Here’s the deal, anybody paying attention to the fit young military aged males crossing the border daily? They just want a better life, no really.”

      Precisely as I see it. I would believe these people are undergoing military training and being indoctrinated currently. Remember the ammunition the obo forced we peasants to purchase during his administration? And all okay with the House and Senate. I remember and had no false illusions as to what it was really intended for. The obo stated openly (I paraphrase) that he was going to create an armed force as capable and as well equipped as our current military. Remember? I sure as hell remember.

      And now our military has been injected with poisons that will likely destroy it to a meaningless joke.

    • James ONeil March 7, 2022, 4:59 PM

      Just seeking a better life. Yep, almost a million and a half criminal aliens moved from the border by our duly appointed president, by train, plane and bus, throughout the United States to undisclosed neighborhoods near you, just since he took office.

  • Callmelennie March 7, 2022, 1:58 PM

    Take “Josef Stolen” as well GVDL

  • Casey Klahn March 7, 2022, 4:17 PM

    Two pugilists enter the ring; they both have the right and are expected to put up their gloves in a fighting stance. It wasn’t wrong, morally or ideally, for NATO to defend forward in Eastern and Central Europe. I note that Russia has invaded, and blamed the West.

    Put your gloves down, Rocky. Rocky lowers his gloves. BAP! Why have you raised your gloves, tovarich? WHAMM!

    Logic bites hard. The war we’re witnessing sucks, but the all bold font argument in this post does nothing to advance our knowledge. Also, the list of Putin’s demands is unseemly. He has little ground to stand on and he seems to be advancing his ground through violence and at the same time he’s actually losing his rational ground (losing).

    • Casey Klahn March 7, 2022, 4:42 PM

      I don’t like writing a bunch of caveats when I try to make a point. Nothing I just said is “supportive” of Ukraine, except to the extent that they are up front fighting the aggressor. In that regard, I want them to win. But, I hate most European countries, with a small handful of exceptions. Ukraine is not on my list of those whom I like. But, in the barroom fight that Europe is, you pick your sides.
      Nothing I wrote supports Biden or Obama. Logic, mates. When you say one thing, you do not obviously also say its consequent. A thing means what it means.
      So far, the one guy who I agree with the most is Victor Davis Hanson, and I hope you watched his hour plus interview from about 3 days ago. Rev. Sensing makes an interesting outline when he says the polarity in our conservative side goes from the neo-con to the neo-isolationist. At least I got that out of your blog, Don. It’s a shame we are as split as we are, because there might need to be more unity here when the balloon goes up stateside. Where am I on the continuum? Hell if I know but I don’t actually want any war, here, there or anywhere. But I also am unafraid to go to war, and I mean anywhere. My most fervent hope is that my most local politicians fear the living shit out of me. I want them to sic the FBI on me for standing up at a school board meeting. In fact, I guess we need to stoke that fear of patriots to the point that politicians and bureaucrats are checking their 6 all day and every day. Here in WA, they are making sure the citizenry have no more than 10 rounds in the magazine at a time. I guess they never heard of volley fire.

      • James ONeil March 7, 2022, 5:19 PM

        Re. your first post;
        I started out leaning your way Casey when I though it was Putin vs the Ukraine. Even then the no nukes on our border argument carried a lot of weight with me. Now, however, I’m more and more convinced the fight is with the globalists, not the Ukrainians. Yes Denninger’s strident but the history and points he makes allow for some argument but I didn’t see any outright lies. However the “facts” presented by our beloved leaders on the other hand…

        Re. you second one;
        Paragraph one; Yep, yep and yep.

        Paragraph two;
        Yep, yep and a nope, not too comfortable with V. D. Hanson, followed by a lot of other yep, yep, yeps.

        • KCK March 7, 2022, 6:19 PM

          Sorry to be posting so much on one thread. I think the globalists are everywhere and into everything, and the new post with JP (Awaken With) is on point. My stupid cultural mind goes to Spectre and then Smersh from the James Bond movies. First one hidden group, and then in the next movie that group has overlords. If theory holds, we aren’t supposed to know the real power brokers, and so Klaus is the mouthpiece.

          But, I find myself wondering if it isn’t high sanctimony to excuse nation states who are villainous because: puppet masters. Unfortunately, the fight is with all levels of state actors who hate the common man. Klaus, Klaus’es ass handler, Putin, the globalists in Ukraine, NATO ministers who loved the Covidz and love eco-policy, Biden, Bush…keep naming the elites.

          In the service of keeping things simple when needed, we fight the battle in front of us. Putin has nukes; that’s bad for me. We have nukes; that could be good but watching Biden’s moves and it seems dangerous for me. BTW, the nukes on the border are tactical artillery shells. It’s kind of rhetoric to talk about that. All first world armies have nukes up front. Learn it. Live it. Love it.

          I only hope this real life REFORGER exercise in Europe helps to sharpen our military sword should it be needed.

          VDH always makes me think. Always. He’s no more pro war than Trump was, and his policy idea of deterrence is the best one, IMHO.


          • Vanderleun March 7, 2022, 7:20 PM

            These threads are always open. POst away.

      • ghostsniper March 7, 2022, 6:10 PM

        Turn. Off. The. TV. dammit!

        • KCK March 7, 2022, 6:21 PM

          Train arrives at High Noon. Put down the bird feeder.

      • George Christiansen March 7, 2022, 6:57 PM

        Physically striking first doesn’t make me the aggressor.

        Threatening me while being able to apply those threats makes me hitting you justified self defense.

        • KCK March 7, 2022, 7:19 PM

          First part: true. Second part: depends on what you think of Pooty. I never saw NATO countries flirt with attacking Russia. The doctrine of NATO was always the defense of Europe. Quit pulling my leg.

          List of Russian attacks.

          Fuck Russia. When I was there, the people were as nice as any country, but corruption was writ large. You don’t see display of forces troops marching around keeping the populace on warning in every European country. But you do in Mother Russia.

          • ghostsniper March 8, 2022, 4:53 AM

            “…the people were as nice as any country, but corruption was writ large…”
            Here in the US it’s the exact opposite. /sarc

          • MMinWA March 8, 2022, 5:03 AM

            Oh please dude. NATO has caused the deaths of 100s of 1,000s that had NOTHING to do with the USSR. Here’s a short list of their “defense of Europe from the USSR”
            The destruction of Yugoslavia
            The destruction of Afghanistan
            The destruction of Libya
            The destruction of Iraq
            The destruction of Syria

            BTW do you remember the cackling bitch laughing about killing Qadaffi? That little NATO adventure destroyed a prosperous and humming along, multi ethnic country, reopened real slave markets(to this day BTW), made Libya the jumping off point for a literal invasion of millions of African ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS(sound familiar pal?) and has allowed Lord knows how sects of islamic terrorists to fester.

            You think Putin is going to allow a shitshow like that on his border? Get fucking real. Turn off your TV while you’re at it…might be too late though.

            • Casey Klahn March 8, 2022, 3:19 PM

              I ain’t “dude” to you.
              You make NATO sound like fluoride in the water.

              • MMinWA March 8, 2022, 6:15 PM


        • nunnya bidnez, jr March 8, 2022, 5:03 AM

          The question is, should you pre-emptively attack a schoolyard bully who constantly threatens you? At what point is it in your best interest to smack him down, where you won’t be accused of being the bully? Many people have counseled that the best optics for you is to let the bully attack first and hard, let him pummel you hard until all the onlookers see that the other guy really is the bully. Would that work for Russia, to let Ukraine/Nato/theGlobalistCabal beat the crap out of Russia; Russia rolling around in a fetal position on the floor, not daring to counterattack until they’re bloody as hell?? I’m sure Nato/Nuland/Blinken/Obama would love that.
          Was the past 15 years full of enough threats to “allow” Russia to stand up to the bullying without being accused of being the bully? I guess not.

          • MMinWA March 8, 2022, 10:56 AM

            Zelensky moved 60,000 troops to the borders of 2 ethnic Russian provinces on Russia’s western border. They’ve been lobbing in mortars and artillery, killing 1,000s of civilians.

            Wasn’t that enough for Putin? That’s not the first provocation by a long shot either.

            • MMinWA March 8, 2022, 7:20 PM

              “sounds like fluoride…” says the dimwit who doesn’t know of the ramifications of that adulteration.

  • Dirk March 7, 2022, 7:42 PM

    Gents, and ladies where exactly do you think Russian and Chinese nuke subs are sitting. The Russians are having Macdonalds, in Lake Hurst, Jersey, the Chinese are eating Chinese food in down town LA.

    Don’t fall for this cluster fuck, Russia/ China have war gamed this know exactly what their moves are,

    Something like 350.000 Chinese students currently studying in these United States. Seems to me those folks are also of military age and hard as wood pecker beak’s.

    Never ever underestimate one’s enemy.


  • jwm March 7, 2022, 7:51 PM

    Archbishop Vigano has been outspoken on the covid scam. He’s been right, too. Here’s Vigano on Ukraine: