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If you shot someone with that on the operating table, they wouldn't be able to save them. But it will save the undertaker much work.

@$6 a rd, too pricey for my blah.
Guess I'll just hafta put (3) slugs in em instead.

~ pump fast ~

I went to 12 gauge slugs in order to upgrade my kit for big bear. This would certainly up the destruction, but I wonder if it sacrifices kinetic energy in general? I want the full force felt past the target, if you get my drift.

As always: shot placement! 5 hajis jumping on a speeding Bradley shows us their level of aggression when properly deployed. That is Bolo-level aggression.

My zombie round is 00-buckshot. Spewing nine .38 cal projectiles
through an 18" bbl is a real crowd-pleaser.

@Casey, I wondered that as well. @600 gr does that thing just hit the surface, expand, and drop?
If so, that will just piss off a grizzly.
12ga is about 3/4" dia and that is a lot of real estate to punch thru to the heart of the matter.

Further, if the cartridge does produce enough oomph to push that missle through, what is the back pressure on the shooter like? A 12ga with slugs is already difficult enough. Shoot 20 slugs in a row and you feel it.

My Marine Mossberg kicks, but it's all in a day's work. After my bear encounter with a too large and too close bruin, I reevaluated everything.

Your one ace card (and I hesitate to sound stupider than I am) is that often times I understand that bears are averse to being shot at all. They cry and run away. But, individuals with a full head of steam: different story. 2 things I don't buy: that you cannot penetrate their skull with less than the biggest round, and that heart and bone breaking shots are the only money hits. I think vitals shots and head shots are cool. But, the number of people who have taken bear is thin.
Wish my dad were around; he killed 5 I think he said. Usually over garbage.

People aren't bears. Here in upstate SC, we don't get bothered too often by black bears, but occasionally one gets to be a pest.

Now the two-legged pests are more common but not overrunning the place. Our sheriff is a very reasonable man; he rather fill out paper work than incarcerate some bunghole. Made national news when he told women to get a CCP, arm themselves and shoot the molesters. That gave the liberals the vapors.

Back to the shotguns. I have an H&R .12ga exposed hammer with a 36" barrel. Not going to be worth squat in the house, but out on the property, when I tell you to git and you don't, it will help you closer to the property line right fast. I'll have to drag you the rest of the way so the meat wagon can pick you up.

I suspect this is more of a gimmick, and it won't really catch on.

For one thing, these are very expensive. For another, a regular 12-ga rifled slug is already the diameter of a dime, and close to (or over) one ounce of lead. Who's gonna survive a solid hit with that? (In fact, some folks actually load a stack of dimes in a 12 ga shell; slice & dice.)

Then there's the all-purpose 00 buckshot round favored by cops everywhere: typically nine .33 caliber lead pellets; each nearly the diameter of a .357 magnum. And you don't have to be real accurate.

And they're lethal: a few years ago a cop in San Jose was killed when a fellow cop fired his shotgun. One 00 buck pellet ricocheted off cement, and killed the other cop.

You can get 12-ga 00 buck in 12 pellet loads, too. And 15 pellet loads. And even 18 pellet loads. Isn't that enough?

Finally, you can also get 12 ga in 000 buck; each ball is .36 inches in diameter. Eight or ten pellet loads are available.

Someone is always coming out with oddball loads. For those who want to pay through the nose, fine, it's their money. But IMHO a load of 00 buck (or #4 buck; 27 – 41 of 0.24 inch diameter pellets per shell) is more than enough.

And as always, accuracy is far more important than what you're throwing. A miss by a .45 is nothing, compared to a hit with a .22.

You know what Mama used to say, "The next best thing to shootin' and hittin' is shootin' and missin'."

~ when a perp hears a 12ga go off he doesn't hang around for the 2nd one ~

Try these rounds: Dead Coyote. A mix of .22 cal. and 00 buckshot. Although my only 'yote kilz by shotgun were 00, I imagine Dead Coyote to be worse. Just to give the kids a kick, I bought one box of Zombie shells.