March 1, 2016

No More Mr. Nice GOP Guy


In a comment to The Top 40 tscottme says: "Many voters, approximately 40-55% of Republican voters, want nothing so much as no conflict. They don't care about policy, even recently failed policy. They just want people to stop arguing. The only way to guarantee no more arguments is to surrender. You, Mr. Nice, either surrender or The Left will keep the argument going. Mr. Nice tires of the browbeating and surrenders. Mr. Nice comforts himself with "I didn't completely surrender. I only went along with 90% of The Lefts plan. Mr. Nice would not stick to a principle because his only principle is "no more arguments."

"Try to discuss policy with Mr. Nice. To him, it's like listening to someone explain 2 seasons of some dreadful soap opera plot from Hell. Or like listening to unabridged replay of Hatfield-McCoy feud. Mr. Nice tunes out. He assumes if the issues are important then some Smart-Set will figure it out and prevent some extreme outcome. Mr. Nice may admit The Left will fake hate-crimes or dishonestly attack a Good Person, but he never lives according to that idea. Mr. Nice simply interprets EVERY media firestorm J'accuse as based in some fact, even after they have admitted it could be entirely baseless. Just to be safe, Mr. Nice supports casting Mr. State Enemy adrift for a safer choice, just as The Left knew he would.

"The vast majority of Republican voters simply will not conclude much of anything. They seek safety by moving toward the center of the media storm, never noticing The Left can create a storm on command over nothing, or that "center" is really about 90% toward The Left. The Left stops squawking only when you give them an intermediate step toward their goal. The Left squawks "bloody murder" if you move away from their goal by a millimeter.

"Many of us are no longer Citizens. Like the LifeLock TV commercials, we are Monitors. When we see Constitutional Outrage, we announce it, and nothing else. This is what we used to complain about European Conservatives. They did nothing as what is happening to us was happening to them. We do nothing but tune out, withdraw into games and entertainment.

"I don't know what actions are perfectly suited to the moment. But feel strongly any action is better than any inaction. I know we need to pierce this amnesty Leftist enjoy in public. Do as they have done and make every public moment for them a battle. Disrupt their conversations everywhere, all the time. Stop being Undercover Constitutionalists. We are the majority. Speaking up you will find allies, but all of us are waiting for the other to start.

"The Left will punish you, whether you fight back or not. Fight back and take some of them out. At least you will have that victory. You might even generate some victories."

Posted by: tscottme at March 1, 2016 4:05 PM to The Top 40: Monsters. Tyrants. Horrific. Racist. Sexist. Homophobic. Islamophobic. Theocrats. Extremist. Draconian.

Posted by gerardvanderleun at March 1, 2016 4:17 PM
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Thanks Gerard.

Posted by: Scott M at March 1, 2016 5:14 PM

Good job, Scott. Your tactical proposal reminds me exactly of how Breitbart acted in front of a camera. Then he mouthed the word: "War."

Another new tactic I am going to adopt is the one I saw recently where a right-thinking guy was being interviewed, and his rejoinders were to ask questions back. I thought it brilliant. We have to frame the argument, because the way the left frames issues is insane-making. Nobody cares about the environment or racism anymore. That boat has departed.

Carry On.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at March 1, 2016 5:44 PM

Casey that is good. Asking questions is smart. It shifts burden and pressure to Lefty. Also recognize in the discussion, if anyone is listening they are the audience. You can't change Lefty's mind. The goal is to show others 1) you can challenge Lefties & live. 2)there are answers to Lefty attacks. 3)others are not all Left. "You are not alone" to other Conservatives within earshot.

I learned much by reading Christian Apologetics books, websites. Don't just have faith your views are true. Learn the proofs for your view and how to defend. Many Christians, Conservatives like Bubble Boy. Do well until they come in contact with a germ.

I will post a 1 hour video of Ben Shapiro giving 10 points to arguing with Leftists. Also Steve Deace has good book Rules For Patriots, a conservative version of Alynski. Never accept the Left's premise. Go on offense. Don't speak in indirect words & moderate language.

Link below in a moment.

Posted by: Scott M at March 1, 2016 6:59 PM

Ben Shapiro Practical Tactics for arguing with The left. Shapiro & Deace have free podcasts in iTunes. Highly recommendBen Shapiro - Practical

Tactics For Fighting The …:

Posted by: Scott M at March 1, 2016 7:01 PM

Got it. Thanks.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at March 1, 2016 7:55 PM

As well as asking questions in return, it's always useful to employ "Active Listening," which I learned working in psychiatric hospitals. A middle-aged psych nurse with years of experience likened it to listening to the tune, not the words. What are they really trying to communicate?

The words of a leftie are designed to obfuscate, and if you respond in a logical fashion you've already lost. But what is behind the statement or question posed to you by a leftie? How often do you have the realization that there's only one possible answer, and that the only possible answer leaves you looking like an asshole? How about just changing the name of the game by asking in return "What is it that you hope to accomplish by asking loaded questions? Don't you realize that everyone here is listening to you try to run a game on me? Do you really think I'm going to help you back me into a corner by responding to your bullshit?"

Et cetera.

Do some reading about counseling training; being a shrink is all about hearing what's being said, and not being distracted by the rhetoric. I can pretty much guarantee you that this technique will inspire foaming at the mouth among "liberals."

Posted by: Rob De Witt at March 1, 2016 10:36 PM

SJW: "racism!!!"

proper reponse: "turn around. Or do you want it in the face?"

argument won

Posted by: Haxo Angmark at March 2, 2016 2:00 AM

Haxo is right, you really can't argue with these people.
I mean, what's your point?
Are you trying to change them?
You can't, haven't you learned that yet?

They argue from a non-sensical standpoint, your logic runs off their back like water off a dux ass.

Again, Haxo is right.
The only way to change a communist is through direct, and instant, over the top violence.
He has to understand that he is going to die right now....and then not.

Then, and only then, he MIGHT change. And he might not. This is the only method in all of history that has ever changed a communist.

They use the things you love against you.

It's coming, and it's going to be terrible, but mostly for them. At their base they are cowards and they are habitual liars.

You must either convert them, as above, or just kill them right off, there is no other way. If you do not they will kill you.

This goes against your heart and soul. But you must harden your heart and steel your soul. Your very life, and the lives of those you love depends on this.

Can you deal? Or will you roll?
Soon, you'll have no choice.
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

Posted by: ghostsniper at March 2, 2016 7:09 PM

Ghostsniper: Agree. In our lifetimes the 'General Franco is Still Dead' jokes are going to leave a bad taste for the left.

The forks in the road where this could have been dodged or even gently Salazared are long in the past.

Posted by: Kinch at March 2, 2016 8:08 PM

Thank you Rob. Good advice. I will look into that approach.

Why is it important to argue with Lefties? Because others around them gain from confronting Lefties. The goal is seldom to convert the Leftist but to give an example to anyone within earshot. Give yourself practice in challenging leftists. It also reinforces your confidence in your views. Most importantly, you have to shatter the illusion The Left is 10 feet tall & invincible. Not fighting back is surrender. Our ideas mean nothing if they influence nobody.

Posted by: Scott M at March 3, 2016 1:31 AM

Back in the alt.impeach.clinton.whitewater newsgroup days, some 16-18 years past, I did as you described and actually did change 1 liberal, a guy named krow, and he thanked me for turning on the light. I'll never forget it.

But there have been thousands of times since where my words were wasted and now I see no more use in it. From here on out I go straight for the jugular and that's it. For a young buck like yourself, have at it, knock yourself out. Maybe you'll be successful where I failed over and over.

Posted by: ghostsniper at March 3, 2016 12:44 PM

Always refute the generalities:
"Everyone knows that...."
"It's obvious that...."
"You must agree that..."

Stop that bullshit right in its tracks.

Posted by: Galway Boy at March 8, 2016 7:36 PM