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“This is true and every honest person knows it.” — Tucker Carlson

FULL TEXT: Thread by @martyrmade on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App

I think I’ve had discussions w/enough Boomer-tier Trump supporters who believe the 2020 election was fraudulent to extract a general theory about their perspective. It is also the perspective of most of the people at the Capitol on 1/6, and probably even Trump himself. 1/x

Most believe some or all of the theories involving midnight ballots, voting machines, etc, but what you find when you talk to them is that, while they’ll defend those positions w/info they got from Hannity or Breitbart or whatever, they’re not particularly attached to them. 2/x

Here are the facts – actual, confirmed facts – that shape their perspective: 1) The FBI/etc spied on the 2016 Trump campaign using evidence manufactured by the Clinton campaign. We now know that all involved knew it was fake from Day 1 (see: Brennan’s July 2016 memo, etc). 3/x

These are Tea Party people. The types who give their kids a pocket Constitution for their birthday and have Founding Fathers memes in their bios. The intel community spying on a presidential campaign using fake evidence (incl forged documents) is a big deal to them. 4/x

Everyone involved lied about their involvement as long as they could. We only learned the DNC paid for the manufactured evidence because of a court order. Comey denied on TV knowing the DNC paid for it, when we have emails from a year earlier proving that he knew. 5/x

This was true with everyone, from CIA Dir Brennan & Adam Schiff – who were on TV saying they’d seen clear evidence of collusion w/Russia, while admitting under oath behind closed doors that they hadn’t – all the way down the line. In the end we learned that it was ALL fake. 6/x

At first, many Trump ppl were worried there must be some collusion, because every media & intel agency wouldn’t make it up out of nothing. When it was clear that they had made it up, people expected a reckoning, and shed many illusions about their gov’t when it didn’t happen. 7/x

We know as fact: a) The Steele dossier was the sole evidence used to justify spying on the Trump campaign, b) The FBI knew the Steele dossier was a DNC op, c) Steele’s source told the FBI the info was unserious, d) they did not inform the court of any of this and kept spying. 8/x

Trump supporters know the collusion case front and back. They went from worrying the collusion must be real, to suspecting it might be fake, to realizing it was a scam, then watched as every institution – agencies, the press, Congress, academia – gaslit them for another year. 9/x

Worse, collusion was used to scare people away from working in the administration. They knew their entire lives would be investigated. Many quit because they were being bankrupted by legal fees. The DoJ, press, & gov’t destroyed lives and actively subverted an elected admin. 10/x

This is where people whose political identity was largely defined by a naive belief in what they learned in Civics class began to see the outline of a Regime that crossed all institutional boundaries. Because it had stepped out of the shadows to unite against an interloper. 11/x

GOP propaganda still has many of them thinking in terms of partisan binaries, but A LOT of Trump supporters see that the Regime is not partisan. They all know that the same institutions would have taken opposite sides if it was a Tulsi Gabbard vs Jeb Bush election. 12/x

It’s hard to describe to people on the left (who are used to thinking of gov’t as a conspiracy… Watergate, COINTELPRO, WMD, etc) how shocking & disillusioning this was for people who encourage their sons to enlist in the Army, and hate ppl who don’t stand for the Anthem. 13/x

They could have managed the shock if it only involved the government. But the behavior of the corporate press is really what radicalized them. They hate journalists more than they hate any politician or gov’t official, because they feel most betrayed by them. 14/x

The idea that the press is driven by ratings/sensationalism became untenable. If that were true, they’d be all over the Epstein story. The corporate press is the propaganda arm of the Regime they now see in outline. Nothing anyone says will ever make them unsee that, period. 15/x

This is profoundly disorienting. Many of them don’t know for certain whether ballots were faked in November 2020, but they know for absolute certain that the press, the FBI, etc would lie to them if there was. They have every reason to believe that, and it’s probably true. 16/x

They watched the press behave like animals for four years. Tens of millions of people will always see Kavanaugh as a gang rapist, based on nothing, because of CNN. And CNN seems proud of that. They led a lynch mob against a high school kid. They cheered on a summer of riots. 17/x

They always claimed the media had liberal bias, fine, whatever. They still thought the press would admit truth if they were cornered. Now they don’t. It’s a different thing to watch them invent stories whole cloth in order to destroy regular lives and spark mass violence. 18/x

Time Mag told us that during the 2020 riots, there were weekly conference calls involving, among others, leaders of the protests, the local officials who refused to stop them, and media people who framed them for political effect. In Ukraine we call that a color revolution. 19/x

Throughout the summer, Democrat governors took advantage of COVID to change voting procedures. It wasn’t just the mail-ins (they lowered signature matching standards, etc). After the collusion scam, the fake impeachment, Trump ppl expected shenanigans by now. 20/x

Re: “fake impeachment”, we now know that Trump’s request for Ukraine to cooperate w/the DOJ regarding Biden’s $ activities in Ukraine was in support of an active investigation being pursued by the FBI and Ukraine AG at the time, and so a completely legitimate request. 21/x

Then you get the Hunter laptop scandal. Big Tech ran a full-on censorship campaign against a major newspaper to protect a political candidate. Period. Everyone knows it, all of the Tech companies now admit it was a “mistake” – but, ya know, the election’s over, so who cares? 22/x

Goes w/o saying, but: If the NY Times had Don Jr’s laptop, full of pics of him smoking crack and engaging in group sex, lots of lurid family drama, emails describing direct corruption and backed up by the CEO of the company they were using, the NYT wouldn’t have been banned. 23/x

Think back: Stories about Trump being pissed on by Russian prostitutes and blackmailed by Putin were promoted as fact, and the only evidence was a document paid for by his opposition and disavowed by its source. The NY Post was banned for reporting on true information. 24/x

The reaction of Trump ppl to all this was not, “no fair!” That’s how they felt about Romney’s “binders of women” in 2012. This is different. Now they see, correctly, that every institution is captured by ppl who will use any means to exclude them from the political process. 25/x

And yet they showed up in record numbers to vote. He got 13m more votes than in 2016, 10m more than Clinton got! As election night dragged on, they allowed themselves some hope. But when the four critical swing states (and only those states) went dark at midnight, they knew. 26/x

Over the ensuing weeks, they got shuffled around by grifters and media scam artists selling them conspiracy theories. They latched onto one, then another increasingly absurd theory as they tried to put a concrete name on something very real. 27/x

Media & Tech did everything to make things worse. Everything about the election was strange – the changes to procedure, unprecedented mail-in voting, the delays, etc – but rather than admit that and make everything transparent, they banned discussion of it (even in DMs!). 28/x

Everyone knows that, just as Don Jr’s laptop would’ve been the story of the century, if everything about the election dispute was the same, except the parties were reversed, suspicions about the outcome would’ve been Taken Very Seriously. See 2016 for proof. 29/x

Even the courts’ refusal of the case gets nowhere w/them, because of how the opposition embraced mass political violence. They’ll say, w/good reason: What judge will stick his neck out for Trump knowing he’ll be destroyed in the media as a violent mob burns down his house? 30/x

It’s a fact, according to Time Magazine, that mass riots were planned in cities across the country if Trump won. Sure, they were “protests”, but they were planned by the same people as during the summer, and everyone knows what it would have meant. Judges have families, too. 31/x

Forget the ballot conspiracies. It’s a fact that governors used COVID to unconstitutionally alter election procedures (the Constitution states that only legislatures can do so) to help Biden to make up for a massive enthusiasm gap by gaming the mail-in ballot system. 32/x

They knew it was unconstitutional, it’s right there in plain English. But they knew the cases wouldn’t see court until after the election. And what judge will toss millions of ballots because a governor broke the rules? The threat of mass riots wasn’t implied, it was direct. 33/x

a) The entrenched bureaucracy & security state subverted Trump from Day 1, b) The press is part of the operation, c) Election rules were changed, d) Big Tech censors opposition, e) Political violence is legitimized & encouraged, f) Trump is banned from social media. 34/x

They were led down some rabbit holes, but they are absolutely right that their gov’t is monopolized by a Regime that believes they are beneath representation, and will observe no limits to keep them getting it. Trump fans should be happy he lost; it might’ve kept him alive. /end

As long as you’re here, check out my podcast. The most recent episode was on the Soviet takeover of Eastern Europe. There’s also a series on the early history of the Israeli-Arab conflict, and one on Jim Jones’ Peoples’ Temple movement.

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  • robert kendall July 10, 2021, 8:50 AM

    and the same players are here , in Sun Valley,right now, planning heir next years worth of “false” communications to further subvert the “American” people.

  • Casey Klahn July 10, 2021, 9:26 AM

    Democraps steal elections. It’s what they do; it’s their whole fukn raisonne d’etre.
    It galls the hell out of me when conservative voices blow it off, and “admit that Trump lost.” That’s horseshit.
    Trump Won. Biden does not govern so much as manage a crime syndicate of governmental agencies.

  • Dirk July 10, 2021, 9:35 AM

    NSA, CIA, etc etc access literally ALL electronic data. Run thru DuckDuckGo, am shopping for a new email and vpn. Anybody using “ proton” out of Switzerland ? Encrypted in out and in transmission. Realistically all I hope to achieve is peace of mind, don’t believe anything is able to keep the spooks out.

    The irony is even this place, people here would be labeled “patriots” right wing, which is code forBad guys for caring about our country.

    Your govt fears you far more then the real problem children. Uncle sugar spends billions yearly on keeping an eye on anybody perceived to be pro America!

    If you belong to Any organization with questionable political ideals, you have agents or their snitch’s deeply embedded.

    Three can keep a secret, if two are dead!


    Three can keep a secret if two are dead.


  • ghostsniper July 10, 2021, 9:37 AM

    How simple life would be if you could pre-kick that ass. That dood in the bar that keeps gawking at your hoe. He will keep gawking til you stick your foot in that ass, then he won’t gawk no more. If he only “knew” how bad that foot hurt BEFORE you stuck it in there I might have avoided gawking in the first place. Right?

    Transfer that thought to politicians.

    If politicians “knew” how bad that rope burns the neck before being dragged maybe they would use some effort to avoid that happening.

    As it is, politicians do not even believe such a possibility exists.

    This basic philosophy exists throughout life, where most people do not fuck with others because they don’t want to get their ass handed to them. Except in gov’t, where some sort of magic bubble occurs where people can fuck others over all day long and never have to face the consequences.

    Maybe a conversion can take place, low level, ya see.
    Perhaps a mouthy county commissioner.
    When a patriot hands him his ass he will no longer be mouthy.
    At least not for a couple months until he gets the implants installed.
    In the meantime, the other county commissioners will take note and maybe even gauge their behavior accordingly.

    Some ugly dood said one time, “Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.”
    Remember, the face you punch today may be the face you do not have to burn and drag tomorrow night. Just a thot.

  • David Spence July 10, 2021, 11:24 AM

    The only problem is that the other side has long been “pre-kicking” the ass. Both D and R pols are scared to death of the left with but they’ll both fuck with us 24/7/365.

  • EX-Californian Pete July 10, 2021, 12:51 PM


    I’ve been using Proton Mail for a while. I asked a couple of h@cker pals to try and find any weak spots or flaws in it. None found.

  • azlibertarian July 10, 2021, 9:14 PM

    It’s not just that “[t]his is true and every honest person knows it”. Its also that every dishonest person knows that this is true too and in so knowing, knows that their dishonesty is clear to everyone.

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  • JoeDaddy July 11, 2021, 3:16 AM

    https://zeromandatoryvaxx.com/2021/moderna-covid-vax-ingredients-include-sm-102-not-for-human-or-veterinary-use/ This should be of high interest to most everyone. Esp. if you’ve escaped the vaXXine thus far. RUN!

  • Nori July 11, 2021, 6:55 AM

    @Dirk: ditto what EX-Calif Pete said. Been using Protonmail about 18 months now,no issues. I’ve read that VPN’s are’nt worth the money;that TOR is the only way to go,but have’nt gathered enough info on TOR to make the switch.

    @JoeDaddy:that’s the coldest cup of wake-up juice I’ve ever read. A fitting denouement to the martyrmade piece.

    These people are fiends.

  • John the River July 11, 2021, 8:02 AM

    My perspective has changed since last week, on Wednesday I had a heart attack. Fortunately mild.

    But my mortality just slapped me in the face. And I know one thing.

    I don’t want to outlive my country.

    I’m not talking about the “New” America foretold by the Red Diaper Baby i.e. “America is a great country, I want to change it”. I’m talking about the America that I grew up in; the America I learned about before they started to rewrite the history books, the America that I used to see around me and in film and TV before white, straight men that believed in the Republic started to be banned from view and denied any respect.

    I don’t think that my feeling that way makes me a racist and I think my late Japanese wife and black best man would agree.

    In the Revolution, there were leaders and heroes. Dr. Warren rode in the night and was a hero (even though his name didn’t rhythm with ‘here’), but the farmers waiting for the call that took up their rifles and powderhorn and went out into the night to take on the Empire of the Establishment were worthy too.

    If they ask me to vote, I’ll vote. If it’s time to fight I’ll fight. God save the Republic.

  • Vanderleun July 11, 2021, 8:07 AM

    STARTLED TO hear that John, but very relieved that you are good to go. Just don’t go too far too fast.

  • John the River July 11, 2021, 8:23 AM

    Thanks Gerard
    I’m being good, I’m sitting in front of the computer sipping green tea instead of my third cup of coffee.
    I just realized that my father died in July, on a hot and humid day, cutting the grass. And on the morning of my HA I went out on the bike, also in ninety degree heat and excessive humidity. Followed by an hour at the gym.
    It must be heredity, I come from a long line of stupid crossed with pigheaded.

    • Vanderleun July 11, 2021, 8:46 AM

      “… a long line of stupid crossed with pigheaded.”

      There’s a reason that in New England they call the first heavy snowfall of the winter “The Widow Maker.”

  • jwm July 11, 2021, 8:41 AM

    @John the River:
    Glad you made it home OK. Did you get a stent? Thanks to the miracle of modern medicine, what was once the last call is now almost a rite of passage. You’ll probably find, in the coming days, that your world view has been put into a sharp new focus. It takes a little gettin’ used to, but you’ll appreciate the new perspective.


  • John the River July 11, 2021, 8:58 AM

    Yes, my first stent. I have had Stable Angina for over 15 years, two different caths 15 years apart showed no difference. And then the Lockdown and my gym closed. In my Blue state we couldn’t go out for almost a year and my annual checkups with my Primary Care doctor and my Cardiologist were postponed and then merely ‘Virtual’ appointments. Remarked Jubal Early, “That seem right to you?”

    I’m a Dane, the Summer is my bane.

  • Casey Klahn July 11, 2021, 9:23 AM

    Praying for my AD family with heart stuff. Be good to yourselves.

  • Anne July 11, 2021, 9:44 AM

    WHY oh WHY?

    WHY is it so hard for folks to acknowledge–to say out loud–what they know in their minds and in their guts: WA State has seldom if ever had a clean election. The process of corrupt elections started many years ago. Having lived and been slightly active in the Seattle Democrat community I learned a long time ago that Boeing and the Boeing Unions own and operate the election process in WA State.

    This tradition led to the birth of Microsoft and continues through that beast also. One should click on the website for a law firm named “Preston Gates and Ellis”. You want to know who negotiates with THE Chinese?

    I can tell you one event took place here in a quiet rural state in the Northern West. A close neighbor to WA. In 2017, a woman in her early 40’s was introduced to my women’s luncheon group. She was the newly appointed (newly arrived from out of state) head of local elections. I could tell by her rigid nothing is wrong everything is perfectly fine–no questions–attitude. When I finally did get to ask a question about the process can you guess what her first response was? How about this: “what’s your name?” I told her it wasn’t the subject of the conversation. It was clear to me that she had been imported from out of state with the remit to “take control” of the outcome.

    In 2018 for our midterm elections guess what happened? Ahhh, c’mon you can guess. Well, what a surprise–the computers went down on election day and there “was confusion” around the counting of ballots. On that day also she had to make a “last-minute decision” to move the largest polling place from the school where it normally takes place because there was “too much construction equipment in the adjacent field”. It was moved to a site about 4.5 miles away. Awww, what a coincidence–the “poll watchers” (bullies brought in from Chicago directly for this day) had a hard time managing the angry crowd. Seems folks here in this state aren’t as dumb as Seattle and their Chicago bullies thought we were. Of course, when the R party gathered together all the reports of fraud and took it to the AG for prosecution–guess what happened? Well, you see this guy, the AG, was a R in a Democratic controlled state government. Nice guy–well known for “trying to find middle ground”. He refused to prosecute because well, you know . . .

    Why was anyone surprised when Boeing, Microsoft, et al jumped in immediately to support the claim of Biden’s victory? The only question I have is what non-profit will fund an organization to protect the innocent? Sure in hell won’t be our legal system. This last election the R party swept our state house! What they were able to get done during this legislative session was very disappointing. Our new AG is on his toes, but my question is, who will protect him?

  • Dirk July 11, 2021, 11:04 AM

    Thanks guys, regarding Proton.


  • Nori July 11, 2021, 11:32 AM

    @John the River: have always enjoyed your comments;they’re insightful and frequently humorous. Very glad you survived your cardiac event,and shared the news. Prayers up,and a special one to Thor,who still watches over the Viking kinfolk.

    Anne:I hear the frustration in your post.Watching America being violated by not only the vermin we expected,but far worse,by those once trusted to prevent this disaster is infuriating.

    Lesson learned. NO ONE is coming to save us.
    We’re on our own. Trust only those you know,and prepare for hard times.

  • ghostsniper July 11, 2021, 5:13 PM

    Welcome back John. Stay for awhile.

  • Aggie July 12, 2021, 6:17 AM

    ‘Conservative’ egghead Britt Hume posted the MartyrMade link and added:

    “Interesting effort here to see the Trump supporters’ side of the story.”
    …evoking images of white lab coats and Petri dishes.

    MartyrMade appended two further posts and a comment:
    “Almost forgot: The security director at Dominion Voting Systems was for decades a member of anti-racist skinhead groups, and posted pro-riot/Antifa msgs on FB during the summer riots. Who knows if his approval of illegal means to achieve political ends affected his job, but”…1/2

    “…ask yourselves how people would react if the security director at a major voting machine company in 2022 turned out to be lifelong Bircher posting pro-Capitol riot msgs on Facebook. The info was all in the public domain, but the media ignored it. Why?”

    “It is a fact that he was a member of anti-racist skinhead groups for decades, and that he was posting pro-Antifa agitprop on his wall over the summer. The networks got sued because they made accusations they couldn’t prove regarding the ballots.”

  • Anne July 13, 2021, 7:23 AM

    I would disagree with the claim that nobody could “prove” ballot fraud. It is that no court would allow any case to examine the issue to move forward. To many judges in too many states had received the midnight phone call and caved in, refusing to allow the cases to move forward.

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