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The Mind-Forged Manacles of America’s Racist Churches

In every cry of every man,
In every infant’s cry of fear,
In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forged manacles I hear.

— William Blake

IT’S A BLACK CHURCH. YOU WOULDN’T UNDERSTAND.

It seems to me that when visiting the left-leaning sites of the web one is forever bumping into a virulent fear and seething hated of Christianity. It sometimes is couched in an insecure, buffoon’s atheism, but more often than not takes aim at the biggest boogyman the American Left can think of — Christian Fundamentalism. These spittle-flecked raging rants of hate are not hard to find. They are legion.

We’re told, over and over, that Christian Fundamentalism is the single greatest threat to the American way of life; that it is, among many other evils, a breeding ground for race hate. We are reminded of the virtual descendants of Simon Legree among the Southern Baptist Republicans of the Caucasian Persuasion. We are harangued without end about the Southern Baptist Republicans of the Caucasian Persuasion ceaseless lust for power. Southern Baptist Democrats, it would seem, possess a “Get Out of Racism Free” card. Not because of their religious belief, but because of their party affiliation. It is a strange religion where sanctity is determined by politics and not by faith, but that seems to be the case.

This afternoon on the lawn my gardener asked me if I have given myself up to God yet. He is a devout believer, a Christian Fundamentalist with a paperback Bible in his back pocket. It’s new this year because he gave me his well-worn one last September.

Like other great gardeners since the dawn of creation he  is concerned for my soul. And he has reason to be. I confessed I had not given myself up to God, to Christ, but was still searching, as indeed I am.

Born and baptized an Episcopalian, I am a member of no church. I feel this as a nagging lack in my soul and my weak response is to, well, “look around.” As the old song goes, I’m always “window shopping, but never stopping to buy.”

I’ve been church shopping on and off for over 20 years. During that time I’ve attended more than three dozen churches whose congregations could be considered Fundamentalist. I’ve been in these churches from Seattle to Key West, from California to the Carolinas. I’ve sat with congregations of well-to-do middle-class folks and congregations of poorer folks. A lot of this has involved just dropping in at random when, as they say, the Holy Spirit moves me. This is not hard to do in the Carolinas where I once counted more than 22 churches within four miles of where I was located in the countryside.

Paradise, California, is a highly churched town that includes the Episcopalian Church I attended as a boy over sixty years ago. It now sports a large rainbow flag and strenuous signs that say “OPEN AND WELCOMING TO ALL.”  What can one say except, “They have some nice ideals.” Christian fundamentalist churches don’t have to advertise that. Open and welcoming to all is their default position from their founding.

From my direct observation, the  Christian Fundamentalist churches I’ve attended have all — every single one — had congregations composed of all the races. From my auditing of hundreds of sermons, I have never, not once, heard a message of race hate preached. Neither have I heard race hate promoted in the social meetings after church; not one single time, not even in the whitest of congregations. I have never, not for one instant, felt anything coming from these meetings that is anything other than embracing tolerance and Christian love for mankind. I have never, not for one moment, detected a whiff of bigotry or of anti-Semitism in these gatherings. Being a reformed radical from Berkeley in the 1960s I have a keen radar for this sort of thing. Like many of my unreformed cohorts, I can detect it even when it doesn’t exist.

I will admit that there may well be some churches that are, somewhere, all-white and that specialize in race-hatred, but they have to be pretty well hidden. Hidden not only from the world at large but from people like me.

I say “people like me” because, as you would know in a moment if you met me, I’m the whitest kind of fellow around. Pure WASP with a long American Massachusetts Bay Colony Puritan lineage. If I wanted to stumble onto institutionalized white racism in American churches, it wouldn’t be too hard for me to find it and gain admittance to the front pews.

This is not to say that white racism does not exist in America. It does. There are, as we know, a lot of white folks around that do not take kindly to people of other races and differing lineage. But that doesn’t mean you find it in the churches. Indeed, that racism is harder and harder to find anywhere with every passing year. That kind is on a long, slow, fade. Whatever you may feel about racism in America, it is clear that the trend is not up.

It is stupifying to see tens of millions of Americans so wet brained from their media addictions that they cannot see the trend and see the opposite. I am aware of the millions of my fellow white and   African-American citizens seem to have convinced themselves that America is just one large slave plantation from sea to shining sea, but once out of the Democrat Plantation Farms of our worst-run cities, that fades away quickly.

This is not to say that fanatic race hatred does not exist inside certain fundamentalist churches. It does. But those would be churches that would be very, very unwelcoming to a man of my heritage. These would be the churches that first launched our late and unlamented President Barack Obama onto his decades-long voyage through his political sewer. 

That, at least, was my remembered impression from when Obama and his “pastor” were a team and then, not quite so much a team when it came to Obama’s political needs. But I may have misremembered so I went back to check and, there it was, from more than a decade past: 

“When it came to treating her citizens of African descent fairly, America failed. She put them in chains, the government put them on slave quarters, put them on auction blocks, put them in cotton field, put them in inferior schools, put them in substandard housing, put them in scientific experiments, put them in the lowest paying jobs, put them outside the equal protection of the law, kept them out of their racist bastions of higher education and locked them into positions of hopelessness and helplessness. The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing “God Bless America”. No, no, no, not God Bless America. God damn America — that’s in the Bible — for killing innocent people. God damn America, for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America, as long as she tries to act like she is God, and she is supreme.” Jeremiah Wright controversy – Wikipedia

 Indeed, scanning the tapes of the Reverend Wright Church that Barack Obama attended during his rise was difficult for me to find one white member of the congregation. I have, it is true, seen a tape where a white female pastor of another church was brought in to gush over the church, but that seemed to me to be a special occasion; something performed for the cameras.

While I can imagine many parishioners of many of the fundamentalist churches I’ve attended over the last few years sitting through a lot of sermons on this or that, I cannot imagine a white person sitting through the kind of sermons I’ve heard coming out of Reverend Wright’s mouth — unless they were overwhelmed with guilt and had a twisted sort of Christ-complex.

It seems to me the only way a person could sit through those sermons, week in, week out, year after year would be if that person also deeply believed in what was being preached.

Indeed, it would seem that if a person of faith wanted to mix some naked racism into their weekly diet of scripture and Christ’s teachings in America, he or she would not seek out some Billy Grahamesque church lodged far back in Redneck County, USA, but would instead want to sit in a pew in an inner-city church formed almost exclusively of African-Americans. That seems to me to be, according to the evidence of my senses and then endless proclamations of progressives, where racist sentiments are currently being preached with fire and conviction.  And where they receive a hearty AMEN.

Reverend Wright has since retired to his cushy 10,000 square foot home in a very white suburb to enjoy the fruits of his hate-mongering. His church goes on. And on. And on. 

I am sensible, as I write the above, that such beliefs and behaviors are not true of the majority of African-American Fundamentalist Churches.  At the same time, I am not at all convinced that Reverend Wright’s church is a single anomaly, a one-off. There are, I am certain, others. But since, given the demographic nature of such racist churches, their doors are closed to me, I cannot get a real sense of how big a fraction of the churches they represent. I can only hope they are not many.

There’s been a lot of analysis about why these churches seem to thrive along with many blacks’ conviction of the deep and unexpungable racism of the United States but the explanations are all shallow; are all excuses for behavior and habits of mind that should have been expunged from sermons decades past. Yet they abide and their slow poison works its way into the souls of the faithful and leeches out into the body politic.

It seems to me more than a little ironic that as a new great awakening devoted to making God and His America great again swept across the land, a profound sleep has fallen over this realm of black fundamentalism. It is as if for some black churches it will always be 1859. 

Listening to Reverend Wright preach and to the call and response from his congregation it seemed to me like looking in on some long-vanished rituals devoid of real thought and faith; living only via the expected call and the given response, almost robotic, and having little — very little — to do with the Christian message of salvation, brotherhood, and forgiveness; but instead of damnation, division, and hate.

Playing those vicious sermons from this remove was like watching people letting themselves be hypnotized for the greater glory, not of Christ, but of men like Wright and Obama. It was like watching a generation willing to continue their enslavement to a self-imposed definition of inferiority rather than rise up in the liberation of truth, faith, and equality. I saw not a hunger for the glory of God, but a thirsting after the glory of a race to the detriment of all others. How weak, I thought, and how shameful. A Christ triumphant would drive these race hustlers from His temple.

I thought, watching these sermons, these crazed rants spouted in the name of God, “Don’t they know… Can’t they see… They’re not worshipping God or Christ, they are worshipping men…. racist men…. the very thing their forefathers suffered under and fought to get free of… and now they’re back in the same place.”

“In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forged manacles I hear.”

I’ve been told, over and over, for decades that America is a racist nation. This week I came to believe it. I just never expected to find it in the place where I did.

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  • Terry April 26, 2018, 6:50 PM

    “Born and baptized an Episcopalian, I am a member of no church.” Ditto with me. I believe in God. I have a King James version Bible. I do not have any connection to ‘organized’ religion as practiced in brick and mortar or board and bat, Preacher run houses of worship. They are totally contrary to the original intent of the Judea-Christian writings.

    Read Voltaire for clarification if you will.

  • OldFert April 26, 2018, 6:50 PM

    Reminds me of “the Reverends” as a political block as portrayed in “The Wire.”

  • Janet April 26, 2018, 7:45 PM

    I guess Catholic is not even worth mentioning. No need to go there.

    • leelu September 27, 2021, 8:17 AM

      Janet,
      What would you say about it?
      Lee

    • Mike Austin September 27, 2021, 6:21 PM

      I am a cradle Catholic. Latin Mass, orthodox, despising the Hellish hierarchy of the Church. But I am no Judas. I will die as I am in the Faith. Then Christ will judge. There will be surprises.

    • LP September 27, 2021, 7:04 PM

      I’m Catholic and a big fan of this website. Lately when I listen to Catholic radio (Relevant Radio network) it’s one of the rare places I can hear the truth against today’s crazy culture spoken, and our pastor is saying those things out loud too.

    • LP September 27, 2021, 7:05 PM

      I’m Catholic- Catholic radio (Relevant Radio network) it’s one of the rare places I can hear the truth against today’s crazy culture spoken, and our pastor is saying those things out loud too.

      • LP September 27, 2021, 7:07 PM

        Sorry for the duplicate post. It gave me a “no post” message so I tried again.

  • Rob April 27, 2018, 5:26 AM

    Every Christian should join a church because Scripture requires it. Granted, there is no direct command in Scripture that says, “Every Christian must join a local church,” but two factors in Scripture indicate that every Christian should be a member of a local church: https://www.9marks.org/answer/why-should-every-christian-join-church/

    But if you find yourself in a church where the leadership is characteristically abusive, you should flee. Flee to protect your discipleship, to protect your family, to set a good example for the members left behind, and to serve non-Christian neighbors by not lending credibility to the church’s ministry.
    https://www.9marks.org/answer/when-should-you-not-submit-to-church-leaders/

  • Casey Klahn April 27, 2018, 6:51 AM

    Fundamentalist church; I haven’t heard that phrase in years. It goes deep into American history and our psyche. I once took a post-grad course on it, taught by George Marsden, who wrote a book on the subject. It is typically a low-order church (this is not a qualitative description, but one of polity), and is, or was, described as evangelical and believing or holding onto 5 tenets or doctrines. They were a bit different from one another wherever you looked, but essentially Bible-beliefs. Whacky? What are you saying? That the Bible is whacky? That the doctrines aren’t there? They’re there.

    Now, lets look at what a Fundy is and does. He or she is an evangelical with an attitude. Mostly anger. Well, specifically anger. Professor Marsden defined it down as “someone who is angry about something.” It is based on a virulent anti-intellectualism in America. We like our people as base as possible, and if you are smart, then for gosh-sakes don’t wear that shit on your sleeve.

    Jump to anger. Be offended. Often. This will get you in the door at a Fundy church. Not very Paulian, but very American.

    Now, apply this to the black church. Now apply it to leftists.

    God save me from fundamental anger, and the disdain of knowledge. It’s one reason I read here.

  • Gordon April 27, 2018, 7:17 AM

    I know quite a number of Wiccans. Very many I have met have some sort of vague “I was so abused in Xtian church” justifications. As near as I can tell, most of them just didn’t like living by Christian rules. That’s fine. It’s not my problem. But I do get rather annoyed at how many will condemn Christians and their churches at every opportunity. I will listen to very little of this. If they persist, I look at them and ask, “Where were you born?” Because every hospital in the Twin Cities (except two built in the 1990s} had either a Christian sect name or a saint’s name in its original name. All were started by Christians. This includes all of the county hospitals.

    I ask them, “Do you go for treatement at St. Odin’s? Or Wiccanist Hospital? No? Why not?”

  • SHUFFLEBOARD April 27, 2018, 8:02 AM

    Shopping for years. I was saddened when my methodist church turned methodically left, and I left. Went to some fundamentalist churches and felt revived, but vaguely embarrassed at some of the rolling in the aisles and speaking in tongues acts put on by the less-than-stable members of the congregation.
    My wife fell in with an evangelist church. It’s great, the people are great, the message is great, the studies are great. I interviewed the pastor when we had them for dinner – he promised no one handles snakes or rolls in the aisles; but the congregation is pretty old so maybe that’s why…

  • Ray April 27, 2018, 8:03 AM

    Southern Baptist Republicans? Don’t you mean Southern Baptist Democrats? The Southern Baptists broke from the Baptist church because they supported slavery. The Republicans were against slavery. Lincoln was a Republican.

  • pbird April 27, 2018, 8:52 AM

    Goodness, I haven’t thought about crazy old Chuck for years! He’s still at it?

  • Jim in Alaska April 27, 2018, 9:04 AM

    Was going to write a long rambling comment but instead

    Good read!

  • Anon April 27, 2018, 10:24 AM

    “Born and baptized an Episcopalian, I am a member of no church.”

    I always enjoyed church. I enjoyed the singing and endured the preaching. Lots of people, perhaps 2000 or so in our Episcopal church when I was young. I never believed in god but I believed in religion and being a good person. I did not think our priests and others believed in god either. Religion is after first and foremost a political system where you control the members for fun and profit. Actual believing is not required but practiced appearance of believing is. I knew our church leaders and they were intelligent so in my mind of course they didn’t believe and they knew as I did that the bible and the religion was simply a political system of control over the people. Less so in mordern times than it was a couple hundred years ago but they think long term and were simply in waiting until the political winds gave them more power once again. I don’t think most of the congregation believed either but like anyone attending church they kept up appearances. A few of the very old believed I suspected and some of the less astute believed. I soon discovered that I was not good at keeping up appearances in the face of almost fairy tale level sermons about hell and heaven. If they could stick to the 10 commandments and moral good it was OK but the really bizarre stuff kind of scares you to think anyone actually believes that. Did I want to go to church every Sunday and be in the same room with 2000 other people who actually believed there was a devil down in the bowels of the earth or a god up somewhere between us and the moon??? So I miss the singing and co-mingling with good people but I can do without the myth and sanctimony.

  • Grizzly April 27, 2018, 6:23 PM

    I was raised Lutheran, my wife was raised Presbyterian, but we consider ourselves Christians first, and the denomination of the church we attend (if it has one) is incidental. I have been to the occasional fundy church meeting, but most of the churches we have belonged to have been, I would say, non-fundy evangelical. As it happens, these days we hang out with the Baptists; our church in Maryland belongs to the Southern Baptist Convention, but you wouldn’t know it from the name or by walking through their doors. No pulpit, no altar, no organ. Music is all Christian rock, complete with stage fog. And you have to dig around and ask in order to find out that it is associated with any denomination at all. And not a trace of racist attitudes that I can detect. The congregation is maybe 20% or so black, same for the staff. The senior pastor’s personal political views probably lean to left of center, but it is quite rare that he tips his hand in that regard. He never preaches about politics. And I would guess that over half the congregants are Republicans, and the larger proportion of the remainder are probably conservative Democrats (yes, there is such a thing), but I have never taken a poll on the matter. (We have a very large proportion of military families.) The best thing is that they really, really care about the gospel, reaching people for Christ, and being His ambassadors, His hands in our community. It is quite a blessing when you can find a church like that.

  • andre April 27, 2018, 8:04 PM

    I am a pastor of a Pentecostal church. We have black, white, Latino people, people from Africa, people from Central America, Mexico Iran. Everyone gets along because it is the Spirit of God that brings the unity. Our message is straight Bible, but our Bible also tells us to speak the truth in love, and Jesus was full of grace and truth. the love of God gives us the grace to receive the truth of God. The message brings life and hope to people and sets them free. Remember Jesus said you will know the truth and the truth will set you free, not doing what you want, not following your whims and desires, but TRUTH. God has great power and a wonderful plan and He proved His love on the cross and proved His power in the resurrection. It is still the central message whereby we are saved.

  • Julio April 27, 2018, 9:31 PM

    Of course not @ Janet. All those weird and strident traditions and beliefs and the nerve of paying homage to the mother of Jesus. Don’t forget that! Where do they come up with this stuff…if I may:
    “Those who are seeking the true religion will never find it outside the Catholic Church alone, because, in every other religion, if they trace it up to the author, they will find some impostor whose imagination furnished a mass of sophisms and errors.”
    St. Alphonsus Liguori

  • Donald Sensing April 28, 2018, 6:34 AM

    OK, this came into my inbox:
    >>>
    Priscilla Holloway
    To DSENSING@… Apr 27 at 5:13 PM
    Hello, sir. You are needed to comment at http://americandigest.org/wp/the-mind-forged-manacles-of-americas-racist-churches/. Everyone is tired of hearing from me, you can say it better than I can and it would be hypocritical for me to comment, since I rarely go to church. You are a man of the cloth. Please offer a rebuttal. Thank you.
    <<<
    Sorry, Priscilla, I am not your Steppin Fetchit whom you can draft into your service. If you have a problem, take your own action. It may well be that "Everyone is tired of hearing from me," and I frankly can understand why. Besides, what is it that you want me to rebut? That Jeremiah Wright is a hate-filled racist down to the marrow of his bones, and that he rides Jesus like a mule to promote his personal agenda of hate-whitey and hate America? Ha, that is empirically provable.

    Nope, try to draft someone who knows nothing but what the Left tells him, and who listens to no other voices. Like Gerard, I gave that up years ago.

  • Kevin Dickson April 28, 2018, 6:57 AM

    I just tell people I’m a Roman Catholic Devangelical Zenist Existentialist Lutheran. I love Church people….the good ones…..and I even go sometimes. But mostly I just try to do those things that I know God wants me to do for others……as often as I can. Jesus said a man had to do two things. Love God and serve others. I see no point in making it anymore complicated than that.

    • Jack September 27, 2021, 8:25 AM

      Kevin, I lean that way, too. I was born a Southern Baptist and attended church from my earliest recollections but I just never could bring myself to believe any of it. Way too many sermons and rants on how Hell bound we all are but don’t forget them tithes and offerings. I checked out and went my own way.

      At around 31 I was brought to understand that the Lord wasn’t having any more of my crap and after years of stumbling He woke me up to a rude awakening. I was born again in 1981 or 1982 and it was a tough and prolonged labor and even after that conversion it took me years to come to the full and final conclusion that Jesus IS Lord and despite all we endure in this life, God really does love us and to surrender. Doing so enriched me with more spiritual and psychological freedom than I could ever imagine and so, during and after that process I attended church every week, taught Sunday school to high schoolers and my then wife and I raised our children to know the Lord.

      I still love a good teaching service but I don’t usually attend church any longer. I attended Baptist, Methodist, Charismatic and Pentecostal churches in Oklahoma and I enjoyed all of them and learned a great deal but the Baptists and Methodists, whom I love dearly, in their religious practices just cannot seem to see Jesus and the Holy Spirit in the same manner as the Pentecostal and Charismatics. And I say that, after years of attendance, because in the P&C churches I have witnessed the movement of the Holy Spirit that are simply not seen in the B&M churches.

      Now I’m not a church goer but I reside in my faith and complete trust that God is alive, active and working in the lives of all of us, even the left wingers whose practices and policies are despicable and filled with all manner of hatred and death. As time progresses some of them might come around to that ‘ultimate realization’ but it is difficult for Christians to see or desire their conversion and after a certain point even God might just throw up His Hands and say: ‘I’ve one all I can do; let them go to Hell in their own way’.

  • Priscilla Holloway April 28, 2018, 7:32 AM

    Lighten up, Francis. I don’t think you’re my Steppenfetchit. Here was an opportunity to encourage church attendance and to do a bit of evangelism, best left to professionals, imho. I enjoy your blog and thought you might be the man for the job. You could just ignore the email, write me off as a crank or reply privately. Sorry I offended you.

  • Moneyrunner April 28, 2018, 2:34 PM

    Anon makes me curious. Why would anyone join a group of fakers? Why would anyone set foot, and make a contribution to an organization knowing that “the bible and the religion was simply a political system of control over the people?” And what does it mean to “believe in religion?” Why would anyone “believe” in religion; what’s the purpose?
    I’m fairly sure that many people join a church because of a spouse. Others join a church like joining the Rotary or Kiwanis, to make business or social contacts. Some do so for political purposes. I’m confident that Obama was part of Wright’s congregation for that reason, it being a very large and influential part of the Black community in Chicago.
    A church is not the local chapter of the Department of Health, Education and Welfare wearing a clerical collar. There’s a deep, fundamental difference. On the other hand, Anon is talking about Episcopalians. That could explain everything.

  • Anon April 28, 2018, 8:27 PM

    For many people church is a social activity. So for a lot of people that is reason enough to attend a church. I would assume from your tone that you have a reason that you attend church but inexplicably you seem unhappy that anyone might have a different reason from yours. Shame on you.

  • ghostsniper April 29, 2018, 4:18 AM

    “Others join a church like joining the Rotary or Kiwanis, to make business or social contacts.”
    =====================

    I was actually told this one time, long ago, by a business associate, at a Rotary meeting.
    I didn’t do it, abandoned the associate, left the Rotary.
    The world began the day I was born, and it will end the day I am gone.

  • Foo September 26, 2021, 6:52 PM

    Thanks Mr V. Continue to be amazed that most of the Left remains entranced with the addiction to power. Am beginning to believe evil walks the earth amongst them.

    And good to hear from you too Mr Surber.

    • Sam L. September 27, 2021, 8:06 AM

      Which “Mr. Surber” are you talking about? The only Surber I know of is Don Surber at
      DonldSurber.blogspot.com in West (by GOD) Virginia. He’s the first guy I read six days a week (he takes Sundays off).

  • Terry September 26, 2021, 6:59 PM

    What harm could be done to a person by attending a true Christian house of faith. I pulled the bell ropes in the St. James, Episcopal church shown at the link below. This was in the year 1955 in my hometown of Sonora, California. I was ten years of age. I am not a racist or, religious fanatic.

    Leftists are insane.

    http://mcbridephotographics.com/centralvalleygallery/photos/STAN-007_St.James_Church.jpg

  • ghostsniper September 26, 2021, 7:19 PM

    Why would you care what anyone else thinks?
    It’s YOUR brain, believe what you want. shrug

  • Foo September 26, 2021, 8:17 PM

    Heh. LGF: is that still even read?
    Charles went hard left a decade (or more? ) ago- coulda sworn he fell on his bike bumped head.

    Or like Sully- something in that cocktail of meds flipped the switch there. Or maybe W broke his heart over gay marriage and he abandoned all other rational thought – he was so lucid before…

    Never underestimate the crazy on the left.
    Its a mind virus, or maybe Evil truly stalks the vulnerable souls…

    • Mike Austin September 28, 2021, 6:54 AM

      “Never underestimate the crazy on the left. Its a mind virus, or maybe Evil truly stalks the vulnerable souls…”

      So true. Evil is in fact a demonic virus, affecting first the mind, then the soul then the body. In the mind we it temptation. If left untreated it infects the soul. The man slowly becomes the Evil itself. He might not even realize that he is sick, and deathly so. If left alone the Evil ruins the body. By now the man has become unfit for anything but Hell.

      Evil does not strike only vulnerable souls, but makes forays against everyone, even Christ Himself.

  • I Am What I Am September 27, 2021, 5:27 AM

    “Born and baptized an Episcopalian, I am a member of no church.”

    No reason to repeat yourself, Gerald.

    I, too, was born and raised in The Episcopal Entity. I struggled to stay when the national church went “woke,” then when our diocese went “woke,” but we had to leave when my local parish finally went “woke” (threw out our priest for supporting the pro-life movement).

    Our family, and our money and time, now go the Holy Orthodox Church. If you are seeking, you may well find there what is sought.

    May you find the Peace we have found.

  • Dirk September 27, 2021, 9:01 AM

    Born and babtised Catholic, still pissed off about that, attended many many many church’s since childhood, I never once found a congregation wherein the leadership DIDNT have an agenda. Sometimes it just takes longer for their gig to come front and center.

    If you know Right from Wrong, the difference between the Truth and a Lie, admit/ understand everything you know, you learned before the age of 20.

    The greatest gift from “ the man” is ability to reason, and make choice. Logical or other.

    While I believe, I see that God is having a ton of fun laughing at the retards among us.

    Lastly I’ve seen some truly despicable men and women behind many a pulpit inside church’s on any given Sunday.
    VI

  • Casey Klahn September 27, 2021, 11:25 AM

    There is the church if hate, and there is the church of hate the church.

    No wonder we need saving.

    • Casey Klahn September 27, 2021, 11:27 AM

      Let’s try that again:
      There is the church of hate, and there is the church of hate the church.
      Thank you.

  • EX-Californian Pete September 27, 2021, 11:43 AM

    I rarely attend Church, as I try and carry my own personal Church with me.
    Matthew 18:20
    “For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”

    1 John 1:7
    but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

    And this applies more every day as we look around us, and witness the destruction of what is good.

    Hebrews 10:25
    not forsaking our own assembling together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another; and all the more as you see the day drawing near.

  • Gagdad Bob September 27, 2021, 11:56 AM

    In the Christianity of the leftist Christian, one of the two elements sooner or later eliminates the other. –Dávila

  • John Venlet September 27, 2021, 12:03 PM

    While church membership and attendance has distinct benefits for followers of the teachings of Jesus Christ (if the church is preaching the gospel), i.e. fellowship of believers and mutual encouragement of individuals’ faith in Christ Jesus, individuals’ salvation is not dependent upon membership, nor attendance.

  • Lance de Boyle September 27, 2021, 12:08 PM

    Jeremiah Wright and his kind….

    the _Yahoos_ appear to be the most
    unteachable of all animals, their capacity never reaching higher than
    to draw or carry burdens. Yet I am of opinion this defect arises
    chiefly from a perverse, restive disposition; for they are cunning,
    malicious, treacherous, and revengeful. They are strong and hardy, but
    of a cowardly spirit, and, by consequence, insolent, abject, and cruel.
    [Gulliver’s Travels. Part 4, VIII.]

  • Anonymous September 27, 2021, 5:10 PM

    Want to know what secret lies in the black shriveled heart of a leftist? Listen to everything of which they accuse you.

  • Carl Geier September 27, 2021, 5:22 PM

    Only because you linked to the Massachussets Bay Colony Puritan lineage I will share with with you a very small poem I wrote to Robert Lowell long after he passed away. My mother was a Parkman, descended from the brahmin lineage of old Massachussets and of course Lowell was a Lowell and you, I now learn, are a Wheelock.

    Your ancient parents and mine
    Shared a similar place and time.

    Expectations
    talent
    failure and wine

    I saw your love-cars.

    My mind is still not right
    But I march
    With moonstruck eyes.

    • Vanderleun September 27, 2021, 6:07 PM

      Actually, especially in its tangent in Lowell, a quite fine poem.

  • Jack Lawson September 27, 2021, 6:51 PM

    God? Jesus? Church? Organized religion?
    That’s like photographs which I don’t need… photo images are cast in stone in my memory banks so I don’t need photos. So is my Jesus, my God and my Holy Spirit… but certainly not the fucking Methodist church…

    Methodists and most other denominations are either ignorant or Communists… read on… an American’s experience with discovering the real agenda behind the religion he was born into, baptized in and raised in…

    This is a comment I made to another ‘Christian’ who said I needed God in my life…

    START…

    “Got 1437 of them total on the op and one of ours wounded. Bombers, gunships and Lynx got most of them. But great by anyone’s numbers. If you’d seen what they did to the Rhodie farm families and their own tribal people you would understand why none of it weighs on my conscience… and then maybe you did see. Humanity is far better off with those arseholes removed from the planet.

    We captured so much ordnance that the C47s flew around the clock hauling this back to Rhodieland. Not the Chinese stuff… but the primo Russian stuff. Brand new Russian RPD, AKMs, TM 57 mines, RPGs with sophisticated sights. We had so much ordinance we put what we couldn’t carry off under and around a pile of sudza the size of a house. Then the engineers blew that into next week and when I left on the chopper it had turned about ten football field sized areas of Africa white and it still looked like it was snowing at Christmas. Sudza given to the terrorists and labeled on the bags “World Council of Churches, Methodist Synod.” That permanently severed my ties with the church I was baptized in.

    60 Minutes did a full hour on the World Council of Churches and their aid to the Communist Terrorists. But the Commies had taken over Rhodesia and that’s the only time 60 Minutes tells the truth… when it’s too late to do anything about it… and their broadcast served a dual purpose… to discredit Christianity. My combat partner, another American in SAS, was a former Vietnam Marine from Tennessee. He and I would check for booby traps and then pick the weapons boxes up and the bottoms would come out… termites.

    Green Leader Raid… great recording on the internet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-p1NRLFso6Q. I like the pilot’s warning at 4 minutes.

    The SAS guy directly in front of me was the only casualty out of 400 of us… we were sweeping a tree lined dry river bed and adjoining fields when a terrorist popped out… fired at us and fucked off before we could get a bead on him. He hit the front sight of the SAS guy’s FN… bullet fragmented into his abdomen and bicep and the remaining fragments flew lickity split past all of us around and behind him. I remember he was cursing because his wedding was in a few days. But he survived.”

    END

    Methodists!? Christians!? Giving food and buying arms and explosives for Communists? I still want to puke when I think about it. The Lutherans, Baptists and many other ‘churches’ were just as complicit and part of that evil World Council of Churches.

    Damn you “Good God-Fearing Methodists” to hell… you are evil because you are ignorant.

    You have no idea of what you belong to, you fools…

    Jack Lawson
    Associate Member, Sully H. deFontaine Special Forces Association Chapter 51, Las Vegas, Nevada
    Author of “The Slaver’s Wheel”, “A Failure of Civility,” “And We Hide From The Devil,” “Civil Defense Manual” and “In Defense.”
    “We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand watch as our guardians in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. A soldier must seize every advantage to defeat his opponent. He must strike swiftly and strike hard… he who dares… wins. But under all circumstances those guardians must stand ready to protect the innocent and those too weak to defend themselves…”
    Often spoken quote of New Zealander Martin O., Killed In Action – Africa 1979 – He was my friend.

  • Grizzly September 27, 2021, 7:49 PM

    I need to give an update from my last comment these 3 years & 5 months ago. In that comment I mentioned how our pastor, while his politics lean left of center, never discussed politics in his sermons, and the church’s focus was on being the hands & body of Christ to our broken world.

    Well, much has happened since then, not least of which was the COVID-19 pandemic and simultaneously the whole BLM neo-racist movement in 2020. Our pastor’s political views finally got the best of him, I guess. He started harping on what a bad sin racism was, especially white nationalism. Did he know something about our congregation that I did not? Did he personally have discussions with congregants who embraced racism or white nationalism? Because I did not detect any such beliefs expressed in the congregation. Unspoken by the pastor but thinly veiled was an accusation that Trump stood for white nationalism, and perhaps his hidden message was, “if you voted for Trump then you’re a damned racist”. That would explain it. Moreover, some of the “study materials” that the church recommended for discussion in our small groups were such execrable works as Ibran Kendo’s “How to be an anti-racist” and Robin DiAngelo’s “White fragility”.

    Predictably, many congregants left the church when he started in this direction. Mercifully this was cut short by the pandemic and the ensuing lockdowns. Like most churches, our church went to online virtual services (via YouTube, Facebook, etc.). This accelerated the decline in attendance. The pastor no longer harps about racism, now that the BLM season (pandemic?) seems to have passed. Although one could argue that the church is still thriving, at least compared to many, attendance is now only about a quarter of what it was 3 years ago. But attrition in the church staff has also accelerated recently, and with some recent turmoil among the senior staff, it seems my wife and I will be departing soon as well.

  • Mike Austin September 28, 2021, 7:00 AM

    Leave that “church”. Christ already has. It has adopted the world.

    As for those recommended “study materials”, was the Bible listed at all?

  • Dr. Chaotica September 28, 2021, 11:26 AM

    I haven’t heard any racist hatred preached in Christian churches, but I have heard sexist hatred. My mother (a knee-jerk leftist Democrat) belongs to an Episcopal church in South Carolina. A few years ago, she invited me to go with her to the Easter service, and I thought, why not? Well, now I know why not. The church’s pastor (a woman, of course) told a viciously sexist joke, the point of which was that all men are morons, and the only way for one of them to stop being a moron is for God to transform him into a woman. And she didn’t tell this joke in casual social interaction at a church social. She told it from the pulpit, in the middle of her Easter sermon.

    Out of consideration for my mother’s feelings, I didn’t stand up and walk out at that point. Nor did I say anything to her about it later. But if she invites me to go to church with her again, I will have to decline.

    What really makes me grind my teeth is that my father’s ashes are buried on the grounds of that church. I carried the urn to that spot myself, on the day of his funeral. At the time, I had no idea that the pastor of that church felt such contempt for my father, and for all men everywhere. That doesn’t seem very Christian to me. But what do I know? I’m just a stupid man.

  • Joan of Argghh! September 29, 2021, 9:00 PM

    Born and raised Catholic in the Deep South, married a Southern Baptist and we left both of them for the world of disorganized religion and inner city ministry of mixed races. After missionary wanderings in Mexico, we returned to the Deep South and found a church home as do many mixed marriages: as long as Catholics marry Baptists there will always be Episcopalians. 🙂 Now, 30 years later hubs is an Anglican evangelical minister and we are back in Mexico. History rhymes, for sure. We never found any racists, either, except on the Left.

    • Cletus Socrates September 30, 2021, 6:08 PM

      Dang Joan:
      I remember you for commenting @velociworld (who I stay in periodic contact) Take care – If I recall you live in Charleston area. We live south of ATL, but have a house on Tybee Island.

  • Cletus Socrates September 30, 2021, 6:02 PM

    Damn son,
    This thread has most replies of any you ever posted. Beautiful that enough of your readers felt religion was important enough to comment upon.
    You know how to find me, probably better than me finding myself.

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