Well, if the criminal is kicking in your front door at 3am the answer is clear right? Buckshot.
But what if the criminal is just roaming around out there, and so are you, does that make a diff?
Just because you are roaming around out there does that mean the criminal gets to bother you?
If the criminal is just another SD on the skreet your response is hot lead, right?
Then shouldn’t your response be the same for ANY criminal?
That’s where all of this is going but it’s going to require a whole lot more people to become victims of the criminals before they rise up on their hind legs and start doing something about it.
Thing is, by the time it gets to that point the criminals will have moved the goal posts again and the next thing you know they will be accosting people right in the sheets at 3am. The herd members always seem to be on the trailing edge and the criminals in the lead.
Dr. JayMay 5, 2020, 2:32 PM
“The suspense is terrible . . . I hope it will last.” – Willi Wonka
Kevin in PAMay 5, 2020, 3:16 PM
The trouble with all that Title 18 stuff is that it requires an agent of the state to file the charges and prosecute the case. Generally speaking, that doesn’t happen.
It is the classic case of the fox guarding the henhouse.
A city council, or a mayor, or a governor can decide to mandate mask wearing, arbitrarily close businesses, or forbid people from freely assembling. They can impose fines or even arrest and jail time for offenders.
Is it constitutional? No. But what does the constitution matter when the state, or even a city council passes an ordinance, and the police department obeys the order to enforce it? Maybe you remember the horseback mounted cops last week at Huntington Beach CA standing in a tight line, and forbidding citizens from walking on the beach.
Poor Joe Citizen may be within his constitutional rights to defy the law. If he does, he’ll get his ass kicked, hauled off to jail, and fined thousands of dollars.
Of course, Poor Joe Citizen has the right to challenge the law in court. But this is after he’s been beaten, arrested, and fined. All poor Joe needs now is the money, and time to mount a constitutional level challenge to an unconstitutional law. The city, or the state, or the feds have lots of lawyers and endless tax funded resources. Not one city or state official will part with a dime out of pocket in lawyer’s fees. Poor Joe Citizen has his “rights”, and a depleted bank account.
Short version. Our “rights” are no longer worth the parchment they were written on.
JWM
HMay 5, 2020, 7:00 PM
And even if Joe Citizen wins his case, there’s always this: “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.” Andrew Jackson
Yep Ghost, Yep JWM, yep H, & I have to admit I’m probably part of the problem. I know, enjoy and am willing to defend my rights. However I’m also am quite willing to walk 3 or 4 blocks out of my way to avoid a confrontation, be it with the lawless or the law.
I suspect most folks, including you guys, do the same thing even if it’s only 1 or 2 blocks out of your way. If you have confidence in yourself, shucky darn, you don’t bother to confront unless absolutely necessary.
Having said that, for me there is a line the villains can’t safely cross, & I suspect that’s true for most folks.
There is a place where the sidewalk ends
And before the street begins,
And there the grass grows soft and white,
And there the sun burns crimson bright,
And there the moon-bird rests from his flight
To cool in the peppermint wind.
Let us leave this place where the smoke blows black
And the dark street winds and bends.
Past the pits where the asphalt flowers grow
We shall walk with a walk that is measured and slow,
And watch where the chalk-white arrows go
To the place where the sidewalk ends.
Yes we’ll walk with a walk that is measured and slow,
And we’ll go where the chalk-white arrows go,
For the children, they mark, and the children, they know
The place where the sidewalk ends.
The steel mill sky is alive.
The fire breaks white and zigzag
shot on a gun-metal gloaming.
Man is a long time coming.
Man will yet win.
Brother may yet line up with brother:
This old anvil laughs at many broken hammers.
There are men who can’t be bought.
The fireborn are at home in fire.
The stars make no noise,
You can’t hinder the wind from blowing.
Time is a great teacher.
Who can live without hope?
In the darkness with a great bundle of grief
the people march.
In the night, and overhead a shovel of stars for keeps, the people
march:
“Where to? what next?”
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Section 242 Title 18 my ass.
By definition a criminal ignores laws, now what?
Well, if the criminal is kicking in your front door at 3am the answer is clear right? Buckshot.
But what if the criminal is just roaming around out there, and so are you, does that make a diff?
Just because you are roaming around out there does that mean the criminal gets to bother you?
If the criminal is just another SD on the skreet your response is hot lead, right?
Then shouldn’t your response be the same for ANY criminal?
That’s where all of this is going but it’s going to require a whole lot more people to become victims of the criminals before they rise up on their hind legs and start doing something about it.
Thing is, by the time it gets to that point the criminals will have moved the goal posts again and the next thing you know they will be accosting people right in the sheets at 3am. The herd members always seem to be on the trailing edge and the criminals in the lead.
“The suspense is terrible . . . I hope it will last.” – Willi Wonka
The trouble with all that Title 18 stuff is that it requires an agent of the state to file the charges and prosecute the case. Generally speaking, that doesn’t happen.
It is the classic case of the fox guarding the henhouse.
A city council, or a mayor, or a governor can decide to mandate mask wearing, arbitrarily close businesses, or forbid people from freely assembling. They can impose fines or even arrest and jail time for offenders.
Is it constitutional? No. But what does the constitution matter when the state, or even a city council passes an ordinance, and the police department obeys the order to enforce it? Maybe you remember the horseback mounted cops last week at Huntington Beach CA standing in a tight line, and forbidding citizens from walking on the beach.
Poor Joe Citizen may be within his constitutional rights to defy the law. If he does, he’ll get his ass kicked, hauled off to jail, and fined thousands of dollars.
Of course, Poor Joe Citizen has the right to challenge the law in court. But this is after he’s been beaten, arrested, and fined. All poor Joe needs now is the money, and time to mount a constitutional level challenge to an unconstitutional law. The city, or the state, or the feds have lots of lawyers and endless tax funded resources. Not one city or state official will part with a dime out of pocket in lawyer’s fees. Poor Joe Citizen has his “rights”, and a depleted bank account.
Short version. Our “rights” are no longer worth the parchment they were written on.
JWM
And even if Joe Citizen wins his case, there’s always this: “John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it.” Andrew Jackson
Yep Ghost, Yep JWM, yep H, & I have to admit I’m probably part of the problem. I know, enjoy and am willing to defend my rights. However I’m also am quite willing to walk 3 or 4 blocks out of my way to avoid a confrontation, be it with the lawless or the law.
I suspect most folks, including you guys, do the same thing even if it’s only 1 or 2 blocks out of your way. If you have confidence in yourself, shucky darn, you don’t bother to confront unless absolutely necessary.
Having said that, for me there is a line the villains can’t safely cross, & I suspect that’s true for most folks.