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The Big Boys’ Toys: Drone vs Drone // Spy vs Spy

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  • gwbnyc February 18, 2022, 10:59 PM

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  • ghostsniper February 19, 2022, 4:56 AM

    Gonna be sunny today, maybe break out one of my drones for a spell. Haven’t done that in awhile.

  • Cloudesley Shovell February 19, 2022, 6:21 AM

    And thus continues the endless threat-countermeasure loop. Drones are cheap; that missile system looks expensive. Works ok against single drones on a target range, but I wonder how it will do against a swarm.

    One thing for sure, it will all work out well for that military-industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about more than 50 years ago.

    Kind regards,
    CS

  • Irk February 19, 2022, 7:14 AM

    While amusing, drones are indeed force multipliers for any security minded folks. Sure their not the big war birds, we are slowly building our drone fleet. Have a 100.000 plus ranch to patrol. Times six ranch’s roughly the same acreage.

    Most People are predictable and lazy. A drone with a thirty forty minute batt life can cover many many miles, which means “ We” don’t have to. See something interesting drop the drone down, have a serious look. If it warrants a look, the boys take a razr ride out for a look. The word I’ve come to recognize is efficient, work smart.

    The majority don’t understand a look down view is a game changer. Changes everything. We used fire truck ladder trucks daily in violent crime investigations. It’s that effective.

    Our first drones were 2000.00 ish Mavic pro units. I try and keep five batteries for each drone. Which translates into air time. A drone on the ground is useless.

    We are spending under 300.00 a unit now. In fact the ranch is now using the drones to review their 500 head heard, and the bulls. The time savings is also a game changer. The herds finally adjusting to the drones, they don’t panic anymore. See a sick cow, or? Send a buckaroo out with the meds bag.

    Irk

    • gwbnyc February 19, 2022, 8:55 AM

      a cousin cruises timber with them.

  • Mike Austin February 19, 2022, 7:17 AM

    The Laws of War, like human nature, have not changed since some unknown Sumerian shoved a sword into the guts of some unknown Akkadian 6000 years ago. Offense – defense – offense-defense…until the Return of Christ. When I watched that video I was reminded of Philip II of Macedon (d. 336 BC)—Alexander’s father—and his little chat with a grizzled Spartan. Philip was showing off his latest killing machine devised by his Greek engineering team—the Raytheon of its day. It was a torsion ballista, and was meant to be used in the of besieging cities.

    The Spartan was aghast at a device that could hurl death and destruction from hundreds of yards away. “Where then,” he said, “is there room for the courage of men?” His mind was trapped in the purely defensive mindset of the Spartan military that relied on the linked shields of the phalanx. With Philip and Alexander, those days were over. Macedonian warfare, using phalanx tactics based up the 22-foot sarissa, would conquer the world, until the Roman legions smashed it to pieces at the Battle of Cynoscephalae (197 BC).

    The Macedonian phalanx:

    In action against the Persians at Gaugamela (331 BC)—begins at 17 seconds:

    The Roman legion in action (71 BC):

    We keep hearing hearing nonsense and drivel about modern warfare, that it is somehow radically different from the warfare of earlier days. Some of the latest buzz-words and phrases are 4 G warfare, kinetic warfare, and cyber warfare, as if these are the newest of new things. 4 G warfare has been around, oh, for about 4500 years. Kinetic warfare is simply warfare with diplomacy and economic sanctions thrown in. This has been around since at least Ramses II (1250 BC). Cyber warfare is simply the disruption of an enemy’s ability to communicate and use his machines. The ancient world practiced this as early as 800 BC in the besieging of cities, at which the Assyrians were masters.

    Truly, there is nothing new under the sun.

    More nonsense for you:

    1. “The F-35 is a tremendous waste and boondoggle.” Then why are nations lining up to buy them and why do American fighter pilots love them? Nonsense about the F-35 resembles the same sort of nonsense about the M-16.

    2. “The Aircraft carrier is obsolete.” According to whom? No American carrier has been sunk since the USS Card (1964), and she was back in service a few months later. Every modern power desires carriers. Even China is trying—and failing—to build one.

    3.”Russia and China have developed hypersonic missiles.” There is no evidence that Russia and China have accomplished any such thing—unless one believes whatever China and Russia say. This is mere psychological warfare and reminds me of the “Quaker guns” of the US Civil War.

    All governments love spreading deception, lies, nonsense and fakery concerning military technology. Best ignore most of it and remember a few things concerning Russia and China:

    1. Russia’s GDP is similar to the GDP of Italy. Not much there for the development of “super weapons”.

    2. The US has been constantly at war somewhere in the world for 80 years. China has not been at war since 1950—she lost—and 1979, when she invaded North Vietnam. She lost again.

    In war as in everything, practice makes perfect.

    • KCK February 20, 2022, 7:15 AM

      Mike: outstanding! Your assessment is spot on: war is governed by principles, long studied since the Ancients practiced war (Macedonians/Greeks, Assyrians, Egyptians, then the Romans. Kahn). I dare say a G. Kahn of today could out-general 99% of any general alive today, simply because of the over-attention on tech. and the under-attention to history. War doesn’t change, in essence.

      I looked at Cynoscephalae; the Romans won on the virtue of maneuver. The Macedonians were masters of maneuver, but soon enough Rome learned it too. Reminds me of how Patton read Rommel’s book.

      So glad you didn’t mention Sun Tzu. He is so circular that his Art reads like a Maoist list of unrelated incidentals. Some of it sounds like principles, but who fukn edited that rag? Clausewitz writes the principles On War, and if properly read this is the play book of all warfare from the Ancients till today. My son (a fine historian and active learner on the world today) was describing Cyber Warfare to me yesterday on an errand-run into town. Cyber Warfare is: cutting all the ventilators in an ICU and watching all the patients die, live-streamed. But I had to remind him that Cyber War will still be governed by the Principles of War. Notice how it resembles the characteristics of Total War.

      I know FoxNews is full of cux, and it is prudent to not trust talking heads in DC. However, when I listen to GEN Jack Keane he makes loads of sense, speaks from current event data points, gives you the geo-political insight and lets you decide WTF to believe. When Keane briefs you on TV, you are seeing the door open a crack, the cigar smoke rolling out, and a bit of daylight illuminating the smoke. Yesterday he pointed out that the conditions are set for a Russian invasion. One point he makes is that the force arrangement looks like a WWII-era maneuver war, in size. I was showing my son the S-2 briefing map (YouTube channel: watch him), and describing how the square symbols with an X are brigade-sized units, and then counted how the 2 X units show divisions, then 3 is a corps, and 4 is a (mother fucking) field army. A field army is a WWII sized element that is rarely seen anymore, and there are several all over the map of the R-U border.

      Keane said, and this is interesting for readers to keep in mind, that the difference between WWII and now is the lethality of the weapons, their range and accuracy being an order of magnitude of 2 to 3 times greater now than in 1945. Like Mike says, though, war in its atomic structure, doesn’t change. Doesn’t matter the length of the spear – what matters are the principles: Initiative offense defense surprise security economy of force maneuver unity of command simplicity.

      Keane did say that if you look at Lukashenko, in Belarus, you’ll note that he went from opposing Putin to Putin’s number one buttbuddy over the course of a few years. Pay attention, class: this one is on the test. This is Putin’s objective, in a nutshell: turn the countries in Eastern and Central Europe into policy satellites of Russia. You can say it’s oil economics all you want, and that is critical, but the politics are briefed to you by the general and FFS pay attention. Stop saying it’s the Build a Burgers and the Illuminati and the banks: you act like Biden and Johnson themselves are placing the Russian tank armies in their assembly areas. It sounds fukn stupid. I agree that there is a class of nefarious oligarchs who shake hands and enjoy warbucks. No argument there. But Chase is not issuing orders for 170,000 swinging Ivans.

      Russia: they weren’t invited to the hip party in Europe and they forever feel left out. Now you understand Russia. Catherine and the Czars did the exact right thing for Russia, building a civilization and legit buying up great art and architecture, but then Marx and Lenin got grabby and the whole enterprise went South. It didn’t do much for the marxists to take over Cambodia, Cuba, Yugoslavia, etc. There wasn’t much money in it. China and Russia were fairly big wins in their day, but Communism is like robbing banks. The holdings of the bank are finite – nothing new is produced once you empty it. Now they want: America.

      I agree with the Right that all of the shit in Europe and China matters naught if there is no United States, and that endgame is approaching. However, in Europe what needs to happen is NATO must simply demonstrate. That is: go to the Polish and Romanian borders and looks threatening. Gingerly dominate the oceans of Europe and make Russia understand that it’s navy is weak. This counter is enough to put a drag on Putin’s political play to make the weaker Eastern nations cow-tow to his demands. What Putin needs to do is make a big enough, and violent enough, splash into Ukraine and then say to Bulgaria, Romania and the Baltics (perhaps Finland) “look at what we can do; now let’s talk about policy.” Unfortunately, war has a mind of its own, and Putin may not contain the genie. IOW, what he might accomplish by torching Kharkov (hyperbaric fire-storm) and perhaps toppling the govt. in Kiev, may become an egotistic overreach and a desire to control the Black Sea and maybe even Western Ukraine. If he doesn’t rein himself in, he will screw the pooch and instead of achieving policy wins over a large part of Europe, he’ll get his ass handed back to him by the Russian public and the Ukrainian Wolverines. He remembers Finland in 1939-40. Plus, he’s a dickhead, and his breath smells like fish. Nobody invites him to Parisian salons. Poor baby.

      OK, I pray daily that the war is stopped before it begins, but I think our idiot president is corrupt to the nth degree and has plays under the desk with both Russia and the Ukraine. It’s incredible how fukt up he is. It’s epic. If there is an historical analysis of this time, by military historians, 2,000 yrs from now, they will be astonished at our corruption and our insanity, as proven by Biden. All they need to do is show a video or a snapshot of Afghanis dropping from wheel wells of cargo planes. next slide: European war. Next slide: Taiwan. Next slide: Casey and his Sunshine band armed to the teeth and going full Rambo Ruby Ridge. Hah ha, I made that last part up.

      Final: great report, Mike.

      • Mike Austin February 20, 2022, 11:04 AM

        Many thanks for that military and historical tour d’horizon. I have always learned from your comments, and this was no exception.

        I am with you on Sun Tzu. I have long thought that his military musings were in fact mere comfortable nostrums that could apply equally well to an army or to needle making. He cannot stand with Clausewitz, Jomini, Moltke and Vegetius. Much of Asian thought is this way—gauzy and ephemeral, misty and cloud-like, pretentious and difficult from which to grasp any real meaning. Those who claim to get some “spirituality” from such nonsense are themselves muddle-headed. Reading Asian philosophy and then reading Plato is like driving through thick fog before emerging into blazing sunlight.

        General Keane was asked by Dick Cheney to run the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, but he declined. I wonder how those would have developed with him at the helm.

        Cynoscephalae is an excellent case study in tactics, maneuver, organization, initiative and luck. The battle, like that of Gettysburg 2000 years later, developed accidentally and haphazardly, with both Flaminius and Philip feeding more and more men into the melee until the skirmish became a full-fledged battle. It is true that the Macedonian phalanx could maneuver, but only in a clumsy manner side to side and back and forth. On occasion according to terrain it could split in two units, but this would drastically reduce its shock value. The Roman legion could split into any number of individual maniples, each operating in support of the others. This battle spelled the end of the phalanx and the beginning of the Roman legion as master of the world.

        I doubt anyone in the US government has any idea of what do do about Ukraine—if anything at all is to be done. It is truly FUBAR.

        About Taiwan: She produces 40 percent of the world’s microchips. Word around town has it that if China ever comes within a hairsbreadth of conquering her, then she will destroy all of her microchip factories, which would cripple China economically and militarily. Quite the pyrrhic victory!

        • KCK February 20, 2022, 2:39 PM

          I have a book around here somewhere that you’d love to read. it’s a synthesis (I use the word syncretic) of Clausewitz and Jomini and 2 others. My library is a mess so when I find it I’ll post you.

        • KCK February 20, 2022, 3:27 PM

          I just started watching Ron Paul’s take on the R-U conflict, and that’s about 4 minutes of my life I wish I had back. I’ll refute him, in detail, when I get some time to write. Brief: it’s US interventionism at fault. As if: Russia is owed Ukraine (he says it) and it’s Build-a Burger ulti-money, I guess. FMSW (ends with ”sideways”). He’s an idiot.

          • Mike Austin February 20, 2022, 3:48 PM

            I liked Paul’s take on the Fed, but his foreign policy was and is childish, sophomoric, poorly thought out, self-flagellating and historically ignorant. He seems to have no understanding of foreign cultures and ideologies. His followers are what I call “Paulistas”. They remind me of Moonies and vegans.

  • KCK February 19, 2022, 8:01 AM

    This is funny, because I was just looking at the Spy vs Spy cartoons the other day. The times we occupy now are just like that comic. Intriguing.

    I need a drone to watch the coyote packs over the masking terrain. However, if I see a drone over my property, it’s a target to me. A drone is a threat. Incredibly, a helicopter cruised by my house at terrain level about 2 weeks ago. I mean, he was under the tree tops and just past the barn. I didn’t like it.

    • gwbnyc February 19, 2022, 8:53 AM

      we get the black ones, we’re near cherry point and norfolk. occasionally a mid-air refueling, and harriers- those quite low and they’ll waggle their wings if you do it first. coast guard copters and planes, too.

  • Dirk February 19, 2022, 6:38 PM

    History is a lie. Modern warfares not about just killing, it’s about killing,,,,,,,faster!

    It’s really truly about making money.

    Irk

    • gwbnyc February 20, 2022, 5:07 AM
      • Mike Austin February 20, 2022, 5:31 AM

        Smedley Butler, the most decorated Marine of his day. He came to believe that he was not really working for the US government, but for the United Fruit Company. He began his life as a pacifist Quaker, and ended it as the same. In between he was a very efficient killer of foreigners.

        The comments at the link you sent are well worth reading. The author of the book, Jonathan Katz, is a Trump-hating liberal, by the way.

    • Mike Austin February 20, 2022, 5:48 AM

      You have written many times that “History is a lie.” History herself is mute. She relies upon men to probe her secrets. It is men that lie. The Truth can be found, but you must look for it—sometimes for decades. Historians seldom rise above the particular mores and assumptions of their day. That is why a reader of History must study the primary sources as well as histories written years or even millennia after the events.

      “It’s really truly about making money.” A rather sweeping statement about the hundreds of wars in Modern History. Have you studied them all and so are qualified to make such a claim? It seems you started with a conclusion and then searched for facts that supported it. Is that what historians do?

  • Dirk February 21, 2022, 7:21 AM

    Na, Mike I don’t need to look, it just is!. You have made a life selling history, admire that, suspect you worked hard on the truth.

    Wanna bet how history will record these Canada festivities? Govt has always peened their own truth.

    Irk

    • Mike Austin February 21, 2022, 8:55 AM

      Every government “pens its own history”. And so? Germany 1933 – 1945 and the USSR 1917 – 1991 penned their own histories as well. How did that work out? Their “official versions” of history are today objects of laughter.

      Do you believe that the history of Canada will be written only by Trudeau and his sycophants? His version is already subject to the rubbish heap. No tyrant in 6000 years has been able to have only his version of events be recorded.

      “I don’t need to look, it just is!” is no way to research the Truth. It is, however, a good way to avoid it.