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November 3, 2016

Beware the Riptide Just Under the Surface [Bumped]

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And then, there it was, sticking it’s head out of the water: Jury Acquits Leaders Of Oregon Standoff On All Federal Charges.
A victory as unexpected as it was astounding. An Oregon (PORTLAND!) jury acquitted the leaders of the armed standoff at Malheur National Wildlife Refuge of all Federal charges. It was so surprising that even the defense attorneys couldn’t believe it. "It's stunning. It's a stunning victory for the defense," said Robert Salisbury, attorney for defendant Jeff Banta. "I'm speechless." - - Michelle Obama's Mirror

Posted by gerardvanderleun at November 3, 2016 2:56 PM. This is an entry on the sideblog of American Digest: Check it out.

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2017 will be the year of CHANGE in the US and it will be exciting.

Posted by: ghostsniper at October 28, 2016 2:58 PM

I live not too far from the so-called 'wildlife preserve' that the events these guys were charged with took place. After the badged, uniformed thugs murdered one of the participants, a very large contingent of local patriots made some hard decisions.

Yes 2017 WILL be a year of change and excitement.

Posted by: Terry at October 28, 2016 3:30 PM

I just received an e-mail from a friend who is retired in the mountains of Idaho and he says that the feds have rearrested some of the men on trial. Here are his words in part: "...9 federal marshals had basically taken over the courtroom, tased the defendant’s attorney, and re-arrested two of the previous defendants, Ammon and Ryan Bundy - right in front of the judge – and she did nothing!"

Dan Kurt

Posted by: Dan Kurt at October 28, 2016 3:40 PM

It's the dog's sandwich. The Sagebrush Rebellion has limited appeal to 98% of Americans, and yet the ranchers and land-use Americans who live in the West are hemmed in by the Interior Dept. I met the Sec of the Interior, BTW. She was creepy as hell.

Finicum was shot in cold blood and Oregon and the FBI are complicit. The gov. down there is a bitch on skates, and she'll cashier you in an instant for the price of an organic Chai drink.

Gun owners be wary.

My dream day 1 of a potential Trump presidency involves the Interior staffers going to work on Monday morning in DC, and finding the doors chained and locked. Inside, are agents securing hard drives and files. Back at home, half receive pink slips, and the other half subpoenas.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 28, 2016 4:45 PM

The federal lands do not belong to the ranchers and farmers. Much of it is multiple use where all Americans can make use of it. Some of it has restrictions. But none of it belongs to the farmers and ranchers who live near it. Simple as that. Should the government own all that land? Well if the government owns it I and millions of other citizens can use it. If the government doesn't own it and ranchers and farmers own it then citizens cannot use it. So I prefer it stay in federal hands.

Mr Finicum either had a death wish or he was just stupid. He ran/drove from a police stop effectively making him an escaping fugitive. Then he tried to evade a roadblock set up to stop him and his last mistake was exiting the truck and acting a fool while they were trying to arrest him. I can only conclude he wanted to be a martyr.

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 28, 2016 5:42 PM

Brush up on the legal definition of the term "real property ownership" when you get the chance, pay special attention to the part that goes, "right to exclude all others".

Thanks, Mgt.

Posted by: ghostsniper at October 28, 2016 6:38 PM

Wind Gone, you identify the problem but the conclusions of the protesters and ranchers are completely different from yours. They wonder why the feds own most of the Western states, and not the states. These are people who understand and want to defend personal property. The left-leaning US Govt. continually pressures you to make your property their concern. Next, you'll have a digital meter spying on your power source, and you'll wonder why your feet are cold all winter in your house. Your freaking fridge will spy on your consumption habits.

Finicum was under fire before he got out of the truck. A roadblock is a use of deadly force. Mr Finicum was not doing anything more than protesting on public land, and in the West we wear sidearms. I had my sidearm on when dozens of local LEOs surrounded my property on a 2 week manhunt. They knew me, and they know it's normal. I wonder what the Oregon State Police would've done to me for defending my home?

You know what? Fuck Finicum. You couldn't give 2 cents for that sap. What that event tells us is: obey the government and do not carry weapons. Nothing bad will happen to you immediately. However, it has come to light that you are in violation of a dozen property laws, and a hundred other deficiencies have been found with you. A knock is heard on your door...

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 29, 2016 6:34 AM

"They wonder why the feds own most of the Western states, and not the states."

Then they don't understand the history of it. There was no subterfuge, the land rightly is owned by the federal government. What you really mean is if the federal government would give or sell the land to the states it would be far easier at the state level to buy/steal the public lands for personal benefit. I understand that desire I simply don't agree with it.

If you fail to see that Finicum was an armed fleeing felon and he caused his own death then you will never understand.

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 29, 2016 9:37 AM

He was a protester, and if a felon then he never brandished a firearm. I am fairly certain that they dropped the weapon on his person, and it is evident he had his hands up. When you don't pull your gun, then is it fair to slay you in cold blood? Of course not. The court case did not reveal this because the questions were never asked.

I don't agree with the stance on federal land that these particular ranchers have taken, either. However, if this country wants to thrive, when Trump (let's hope) gets in office, that the Interior department is shrunken and mostly dismantled. A new homestead act can sell or freely distribute public lands, and both the feds and the public will benefit. That's my stance.

If Finicum and gang cannot protest as they did, there is no recourse for citizens when courts go out of control. The rancher in Oregon that they were supporting was railroaded and of course Americans couldn't giveashit because they are hicks.

You don't shoot men in the back in the West, unless they defaced a lady with a knife (according to Clint Eastwood). Seriously, though, the handgun in your pocket, and your status with law enforcement, do not place a target on your back. Get your mind straight. Your life is next, if this country does not turn around. I'd never do what Finicum, et al, did. However, when you or I decide to take a stand, in the media and in the eyes of Johnny Law, you will be made to look like Hitler himself when the time comes for your slaying. This is obvious.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 29, 2016 12:57 PM

I munged up a couple of sentences, but I pray you understood me. Of course, I mean LF never pulled out a firearm on that snowy assassin's field, and this was absolutely a one-way firefight with only LEO firing. They were and are small and frightened men, and I wish I never had to say that about lawmen because around my parts, we respect them. Out here, and only so far, men are right-thinking and God fearing.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 29, 2016 1:06 PM

I saw the same videos you saw. I don't know if it was his intent to shoot a gun, shoot the police, or simply provoke them to shoot him. I do know this for sure; a rational person who is wanted by the police and is stopped at a roadblock after a chase by the police does NOT jump out of his car and run at the police acting a fool and putting his hand in his pocket when he is known to be armed.

This (occupying a federal property) is NOT a legal protest it is stupid. They were lucky that the jury decided in favor of jury nullification. They were guilty of exactly what they were charged with and could have spent a decade in jail for it.

"A new homestead act can sell or freely distribute public lands"

Get serious. Not only will that never happen but it is a bad idea. free to who? And even if the land were given or sold cheaply how long would it take to be in the hands of a few instead of owned by all of us?

I camp within a stones throw of where they "protested". This area is unique and deserved to be protected. Ironically I find myself hoping that one of Obama's lame duck acts is to make this a national monument.

The Oregon ranchers (The Hammonds) were guilty as charged. They knew better and choose to break the laws and they did it for the same reasons you are espousing, i.e. a kind of feeling that they "own" everything around them because somehow the federal government shouldn't own any land. This is also exactly why the Senior Bundy is in trouble. He abused his use of government land for years and thought he could and should get away with it simply because he was the big guy in Nevada. He better hope for another jury nullification because otherwise he is going to jail.

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 29, 2016 1:36 PM

It is sometimes strange to see the variety of critters that the compost pile of government attracts to itself.

Posted by: james wilson at October 29, 2016 1:49 PM

A rational person doesn't run from a vehicle being riddled with bullets? That is the way it went down. He was saving the 2 others in the truck is what he was doing.

The Hammonds set a back fire but the courts decided to re-litigate for environmental reasons. What else will they re-litigate before we're all made to shut up?

LF was shot in cold blood. The only reaching into a pocket was when the SP dropped a gun in there. I watched that vid a hundred times, until my eyes ached. Because I was watching the police take a man's life by riddling his truck with bullets (a young woman was a passenger in the vehicle), establishing a road block behind the corner of a snowy highway, setting up an L shaped ambush, and blazing away. They took the chicken way out. They killed him while he was surrendering, and then one LEO flipped the bird at his dead body. I watched it because I realized that we are not safe in our persons when police get to shoot you because they fear you. In the world of real law enforcement, you do not shoot those who are not aiming down on you or others. It is simple. The reasons that Finicum is not defended by the public are plain: we fear the police and we fear liberals.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 29, 2016 2:11 PM

Posted by: Mizz E at October 29, 2016 4:34 PM

Do you really believe that the police were firing on the truck? Show me a source for that. They weren't of course but I would like to see what such a source has to say about this and other things.

Finicum should have sat tight with his hands on the wheel in plain sight. They would have arrested him and he would today be celebrating his release.

The Hammonds did more than set a backfire. That is the story the wild West guys want you to believe. The Hammonds had a long history of breaking laws, poaching and tresspassing.

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 29, 2016 9:30 PM

The Hammonds are the target of the state, and as such any number of mean things will be said. Poachers? They weren't charged with that and in my opinion it's a story.

The glass on the Finicums truck was exploding, and shatter webs are visible. The girl in the Truck was interviewed and tells of the story the way I've given it here.
https://youtu.be/aVRogOLwjiY
https://youtu.be/uH4PInHFfOc

Best of luck on your government; my government is the one that follows the law when enforcing it. The Oregon SP have blood on their hands, and many of us know this. Levoy Finicum's truck was shot to hell, and he was shot multiple times and killed. As a matter of fact, if he had after all of that (although he didn't) reached for a weapon, he would've been justified. The LEO were arresting him by killing him. That's a completely new one on me. Can they shoot you for fleeing an arrest? In the back?
Mr Wind: you live in a sick world.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 29, 2016 10:06 PM

I have seen these videos before. The videos prove that Finicum was indeed a fleeing felon and everyone in the truck were willing co-conspirators. They were far more interested in trying to get something on a video that would support their position than they were in obeying the law. As I said before at the first stop he should have kept his hands on the wheel and allowed the police to make the arrest without putting himself, his passengers and the police at risk.

Mr Finicum seems to be a nice person but he made a terrible mistake. The Bundy's too seem to be nice people but again they made a terrible mistake. I am sure they believe that because their grandfather settled their ranch that fact makes them better than everyone else. I'm sure that every Saturday night they watch the movie "Legends of the Fall" eating popcorn and thinking that movie is all about them. This feeling of being entitled and that they are "sovereign citizens" and not accountable is a terrible mistake.

Every policeman wants to go home at night to his wife and kids. Every confrontation is one they may not survive. Shoot or don't shoot decisions are made in a split second. As police shoots go I consider this one to be pretty legitimate. Finicum cast the die when he decided to run from the police and then when cornered to get out flailing his arms and yelling like a fool at the police. The shooting was 100% his fault.

Do yourself a favor and read up about the Hammonds. They were repeat law breakers and could have faced more charges than they did. They pulled a lot of shady crap and most of it was because of this same kind of feeling of entitlement that the Bundys seem to have.

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 30, 2016 7:30 AM

""I camp within a stones throw of where they "protested". This area is unique and deserved to be protected. Ironically I find myself hoping that one of Obama's lame duck acts is to make this a national monument.""

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Well there ya go, an admission of guilt.

I suspected this from early on but decided to lay back and wait for the guilty varmint to come clean.

This will be all balanced out in short order when the dead weight is cast overboard.

"Some prefer to benefit at a cost to others."
--gs, 2099

Posted by: ghostsniper at October 30, 2016 8:13 AM

Thanks, Ghost.

When we are cashiered for making no mistake at all (Finicum was indeed a floating load of mistakiness, but got shot illegally and then that was not prosecuted), it'll be because we were the devil's own children, tax evaders, and not one of "them."

Wind didn't even look at these newer vids because his mind is made up. He defends the FBI narrative, which is disproven in the vid.

Like I said before, Fuck Finicum (said rhetorically). We're next, though. And the media, the governor, the FBI, the SP and all of our good neighbors will not give the price of a pair of cheap shoes for us. Why, after all, we own firearms with nasty looking shit on them, and more than one of those. And some bullets. Who needs that many bullets?

The Hammonds set normal grass fires as part of ranching, and another critical backfire to save the spread of a wildfire. No poaching occurred that I can tell. When you scratch most of these stories, the libs finally tip their hand and say any hunting is wrong. Dumbasses. Hammond's fires that burned Fed grass were double-sentenced. This is a criminal application of penalty. Under the next Interior Department, I'd see them paid reparations for wrongful incarceration. How's that sound? Oh, I forgot. The governement is always right.

BTW, I support LEO. But not carte blanche, and in particular, not when they murder. Tell tale words? "He deserved it." Because he was a hick, I suppose. Ranchers, farmers, loggers, miners: all have a target on their backs. If Hillary gets in, it'll be time to bury some extra weaponry, because Finicum is you in the near future. How many laws are you violating right now? Must be about a dozen.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 30, 2016 9:18 AM

Mr. GWTW, since when are the F&G laws in the purview of the Federal Government? So the Hammonds (according to you) are serial poachers and wild flower sniffers. That doesn't call for three companies of PETA poltroons to save the sage.

The Sovereign State of ___________ (fill in the appropriate State) can handle the troubles internal to their borders. The voters will decide the how and why the land will be used and they can shoot the malefactors.

Keep the Jackboots out.

Posted by: Vermont Woodchuck at October 30, 2016 9:50 AM

"The Hammonds set normal grass fires as part of ranching" Actually, NO!

Witnesses at Hammonds trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out ‘Strike Anywhere’ matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to ‘light up the whole country on fire.’ One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations.

"Finicum...got shot illegally"

Actually, NO! He had previously stated that he was willing to die in a shootout with the Feds an open and naked threat. When he was stopped at the roadblock he was at that time an armed fleeing felon. He repeatedly shouted at the law enforcement to just shoot him. When he got out of his vehicle he acted irrationally waving his arms, shouting threats and reaching in his pocket. He was shot because he was resisting arrest and represented a very real threat to the officers who were trying to arrest him. These things were his choice.

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 30, 2016 11:38 AM

He was being shot at before they crashed in the snow at the roadblock, and in the truck before exiting. He was being shot at repeatedly from the zero second he stepped out, and begging to be shot is indeed a way to be shot, however it isn't legal to shoot a guy asking to be shot. He had size 10 stones, that much is certain. Go ahead and shoot me is not a threat, except in backwards land, AKA liberal America. He reached for his pocket? Bullshit! He was reaching for a stomach wound. Any normal guy with a gun in his pocket would've produced it and protected himself. He either didn't have one, or went out like a man. In all tellings of this tale, he was a man, and I resent your saying otherwise. I probably wouldn't have lasted a minute in a conversation with him, strange as he was. But, he did go out standing and was taking the fire away from the women in his truck.
If a cowboy protests on federal land, he may not bring his firearms is the message. However, if he visits, this is permitted in most cases. Why would a guy want to carry? To defend himself from the state police? Apparently this is now the case. Thanks for that!

The Hammonds "slaughtered" some deer, huh? Who talks like that? The story is wet. Their first problem was a normal grass control fire that burned federal land (and we're talking small acreage, even if a hundred). Their extra incarceration was political. They were not indicted for poaching if I have my facts correct. They also had bad breath. You forgot to mention that.

Finicum's shooting was political.

OK. It's been fun.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 30, 2016 1:59 PM

Here we are, America. The cops are now permitted to shoot you if they think you have a gun in your pocket. Didn't have one? No problem. They can just drop one in there.

Resisting arrest? Bang! Failure to comply at a roadblock? Blam-mo, mofugger!

Protest the government? Not on your life, Ma and Pa Parker. Damaging the environment? Jail time. Wait! I just found some extra jail time for you. I'm sure you'll think twice the next time you go out ranching, or whateverthefuck it is you do. Deer hunting? You bastards!

What's that pistol on your hip, cowboy? Bang! Don't try that shit around these parts.

This is all very funny from the grandstand viewpoint. But I'll tell you something. Do not cross the bitch on wheels in the governor's house in Salem, and don't cross the Secretary of the Interior in Washington. They're evil and I don't mean rhetorically.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 30, 2016 2:13 PM

Finicum absolutely had a gun and the movement he was making was what he would have done if he was going for the gun he often carried in a shoulder holster.

They DID shoot at him when he ran from the first stop where they were planning on arresting him. That is not unusual for stops of felons who flee.

You can make fun about the poaching that the Hammonds did but it all goes to explain their intentional starting of the fire to hide evidence. Simple as that.

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 30, 2016 2:53 PM

What we have here is a failure to communicate. Mostly.

GWTW tipped his hand when he mentioned his motive.

Casey is relying on info from others.

I won't do that, unless the others are my wife or my only tribe member, and even then I'll be exercise reserve.

The long and short is that GWTW favors gov't when there is no reason to and Casey has healthy skepticism because he pays attention over decades.

What is inarguable is that, again, gov't thugs have killed someone and lied about it and in the very near future those thugs will be accountable as they should have been all along.

Before turkey day heads are gonna blow but not nearly enough. By next summer some of us may not be here.

Conduct yourself accordingly.

Posted by: ghostsniper at October 30, 2016 5:47 PM

The back drop of the feud between the BLM, Forest Service, and EPA and western ranchers is that said agencies are infested with environmentalists who believe that the multiple use philosophy about public lands does not include such things as ranching, farming, logging, mining, or any human activity that might make a buck.

I first encountered this twenty years ago. I owned a small hay operation on the edge of a National Forest. My irrigation water came from a stream in the National Forest. The irrigation system was about 100 years old and served some 50 different properties, all privately owned. One day our irrigation system manager received an order from a court in Seattle to provide proof under the Endangered Species Act that our irrigation system was not endangering Salmon spawning. (Some enviro group had lodged the complaint.) It cost us $250,000 to engage a study that showed we weren't harming Salmon spawning.

They came back a year later and said the study was flawed and the only way we could satisfy their concerns was to put our irrigation water in underground pipes. The cost for that was several million dollars. The big operators, who were living off their crops, decided to pay for the operation. I was small fry and decided to sell out as I was not dependent on my hay. When the decision was made, the irrigation system lawyer said that it might hold the environmentalists at bay at bay for a while, but that they would be back with some other way of forcing us to quit using water from the National Forest.

A few years back (2009/10) the Democrat majority Congress passed a law putting the management of all water, both surface or subsurface under federal control. Wells, irrigation systems, farm ponds, and more are now subject to Federal government regulation. I expect my old irrigation partners to come under new pressure to cease and desist.

The BLM, Forest Service and EPA have been trying since at least 1992 to drive ranchers, farmers, loggers, fishermen, miners, and other entrepreneurs, who use public lands/waters under the mixed use philosophy, out of business. To understand what they are doing you have to read Agenda 21.

The Bundys, the Hages, the Hammonds, and many other ranchers, farmers, loggers, fishermen, and miners have a good reason to be pissed. They have built family enterprises that were encouraged back when the Federal government was encouraging multiple use of public lands. Now that same government is trying to destroy their family's fortunes and livelihoods. The worst part of it is that the Feds can keep wearing you down until you are bankrupt or give up to save some semblance of what you own.

Here's a link to a Supreme Court decision that has put the Hage ranch near Tonopah, Nevada in a place where the owners will probably have to give it all up.
http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/nevada-legislature/us-supreme-court-closes-book-wayne-hage-sagebrush-rebellion-court-case

We're being screwed over by a bunch of environmentalists who have invaded our government and only a miracle will stop it.

Posted by: Jimmy J. at October 30, 2016 9:21 PM

With all respect, and I appreciate the defense, Ghost, I am only looking at the videos. I am discounting the reports and the news, however the young girl's statement does narrate the video. As far as the Hammonds, I am skeptical of the govt.'s case and only allowing what appears to be irrefutable, which are that things got burned up. The retroactive application of a second sentence for the fire is plainly wrong and requires no interpretation and gives me the creeps.

You are correct to disallow third party interpretations. This is the ammunition of the lefty. I won't do that, sir. I watched that farking video upside down and inside out, only allowing the visuals to interpret anything said. Of course it's evident that the FBI lied in court, and the Oregonian has reported this. The governor has some explaining to do, and instead she is all about her own culture and casts darkness on Mr. Finicum while he rots.

She's a witch. OK, that was my interpretation.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 30, 2016 11:11 PM

Hi, Jimmy J. What got to me was watching all the homes foreclosed and empty on the main streets of our logging communities. For absolutely no reason whatsoever! None of the enviro reasoning is sound, and any thinking man sees this immediately. You know this and thanks for saying it.

What we need: lock the doors at the Interior, and all the alphabet agencies underneath. Indian, Forest, Park, Land Management - all of them. Send out pink slips to mid-level and up. The nation is losing money preserving nothing, and by selling or homesteading federal lands, and distributing other lands to the states, a profit will be returned to all parties. Win, win, win. I know it makes too much sense. Might hurt a couple of snail darters.

Jimmy, do you recall when they wanted the streams on logging sites cleaned up? I shook my head and spit on the ground. Soon after that, they had to go back and repair that damn foolishness by putting shade and cover back over the streams.

Water. If the feds control all of your water, then you own nothing. You must do exactly as they say, and by the way, how many minorities and/or Syrians did you employ/interview for those jobs last year? Who do you donate to at election time? Never mind that, we have the info right here. I'll be damned if I cannot find that usage permit you submitted - better resubmit and we approve these every second year. We'll be in touch.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 30, 2016 11:25 PM

"The retroactive application of a second sentence for the fire is plainly wrong"

That was my first take on it too. But after looking into it the simple fact is that a five year sentence was mandatory and the first judge screwed up.


"Before turkey day heads are gonna blow but not nearly enough. By next summer some of us may not be here."

This is exactly the kind of thing that got Finicum to sacrifice himself and the Bundy's to refuse to pay for using public lands to feed their cattle. Although I know ghost is just blowing off steam and making lame threats it is exactly the kind of thing that incites fools to commit foolish acts.

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 31, 2016 7:09 AM

Casey Klahn: "Water. If the feds control all of your water, then you own nothing."

Exactly. And that is why the Dems passed that law. It's all about Agenda 21. When Gaia is God and the Feds are the high priests who control the rites of worship, we are all helpless serfs. And, like Jonah Goldberg said in "Liberal Fascism," the appearance of a government bureaucrat at your door saying, "I'm from the government and I'm here to help you," will be your worst nightmare.

Posted by: Jimmy J. at October 31, 2016 9:41 AM

I just don't trust videos, especially if the gov't is involved.

What's coming has nothing to do with me.
Blaming others is a fashionable style of late.

Posted by: ghostsniper at October 31, 2016 12:10 PM

Ghost, one of the videos I linked is from the interior of Finicum's vehicle. New one to me. Illustrates what the drone one mungs-up on purpose. An interesting thing in our era: dueling videos of the truth.

Maybe they need an alternate to Wikileaks. Maybe they are working on a "Statey-Leaks" site.

Trick or Treat, my friends.

Posted by: Casey Klahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at October 31, 2016 3:24 PM

I live in Idaho. The Fed gov agents are everywhere here and almost all are armed. That is: Forest Service, Bureau of Land Management, Wild Life thugs, BATF, etc., etc.

These creeps are extremely rude and down right hostile if questioned about anything. They are scared to death concerning the local population here. They are used to unarmed citizens (sheeple) which are scarce around these parts. They are always in a minimum of pairs or groups.

Police State folks. No search warrants required by
these agents from hell. When approached by someone these jerks are actually nervous to the point of stuttering. Quite comical.

Posted by: Terry at October 31, 2016 5:33 PM

"These creeps are extremely rude and down right hostile if questioned about anything."
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I've seen that.
It's because they feel guilty about their behavior.
They are also grossly incompetent and know it.
It's what they know about themselves that makes them jittery.

Summarize:
They know what they are doing is wrong and that the people around them who are heavily armed know it too.

If you dropped a book flat on the sidewalk behind these gov't criminals there would be enormous jets of scalding hot diarrhea from here to kingdom come.

Posted by: ghostsniper at October 31, 2016 6:00 PM

Some of the treatment dished out in the National Parks is like a Keystone Cops meets Stalin comedy. Spying on me with scopes, bitched at for walking the straight line over heather. Rude is right. Interesting observations, Ghost and Terry.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 31, 2016 6:41 PM

Enviroweenies discovered they could infest the ABC govt agencies,and get PAID to do it.Handsomely. Our expense. They fail to see it's not sustainable.

Posted by: Nori at October 31, 2016 8:23 PM

At the rural level they are a little more relaxed but still slightly on edge. I suspect it is the precarious nature of the job - enforcing immoral laws on fellow citizens that you see all the time.

Month back I saw the sheriff in line at the Speedway (convenince store) waiting to pay for his free mud. I came up behind him and said, "Just the person I want to see!" He turned around, shocked, and expecting me to ask him some legal question or something.

I had heard he raised guineas as a hobby so my question was about that. He loosened up a little and answered but the whole time his eyes were like magnifying glasses.

I was Mr Casual, and I had my Beretta Bobcat illegally installed in my right pocket. (I don't pay ransom for what I already have - the NATURAL right to possess what I own)

The conversation lasted only a few minutes and allowed me some up close recon on what could be considered the most dangerous person in the county. A learning moment.

The pepper spray is stored in the left front portion of the utility belt. It is black with a yellow trigger and a red safety ring. The ring looks like it can be yanked and the trigger deployed in a scuffle.

Remember the CS training in basic?

Posted by: ghostsniper at November 1, 2016 4:48 AM

Our sheriff and deputies are conservative. They understand that the law is paramount.

If I accidentally shoot a wolf, the dep. will come out and identify it properly as a coy-wolf cross. No foul. If, God forbid, an armed break and enter perp or home invasion perp gets killed on my property, the sheriff will just pat me on the back, and hand me a new tag.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at November 1, 2016 7:29 AM

Careful there Hoss.
They have a paycheck to protect and they get their orders from on high. And you don't matter.

Posted by: ghostsniper at November 1, 2016 2:02 PM

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