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December 23, 2014

Could Germany be witnessing a rise in nationalism?

The swelling marches against the "Islamisation of the Western World" could indicate that that very miraculous feat is already a foot.

The German PEGIDA movement held its largest meeting yet last night to protest what they call the ‘Islamisation of the Western World’, despite stiff opposition from all sections of Germany’s elite including politicians, media, and the arts. PEGIDA (Patriotic Europeans Against Islamisation of the West) has grown rapidly since its inception in October, a peaceful ‘strolling’ movement opposing the exceptional violence seen in street battles between Salafist Muslims and ethnic Kurds seen in many German cities this year and enormous immigration. Now on it’s tenth ‘evening stroll’, it has grown from a couple of hundred people, to 15,000 last week, to more than 17,500 last night.
Like The Roman: 'They Keep Growing' — RADIX JOURNAL

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The Germans are gathering to sing German Christmas Carols. This really has the powerful and the press worried. Maybe they should sell that to the German parents of German children who are beaten and harassed by the proliferating sons of the prophet and his god. Or the women who are constantly harassed by the self-same scions of Mohammed. In France they are sending the army into its streets. And as always, the press is quick to blame A History of Mental Illness, when the converts go proselytizing with a speeding vehicle into a crowd of shoppers.

Posted by: Mother Effingby [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 23, 2014 9:30 PM

About time we stood up to the Muslim plague.

The only solution for the Muslim threat is to kill every last one of them, their families, their friends, their neighbors;
to lay waste to their crop lands and salt their wells, to destroy their buildings such that no two stones lay atop one another.
The remedy to the damage and destruction, the murder most foul and the barbaric actions of Muslims can only be met with a force strong enough to overcome once and for all that which threatens all others.
Death sudden, overwhelming, final, no hesitation, and thorough by whatever means will accomplish the end result — elimination of the Evil.

Posted by: chasmatic [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 23, 2014 10:43 PM

Before one can form up the strike force, a battalion of shock troops has to go into the fray to soften the opposition. What better formation could that be than the mouthy press.

Yes, gather them up chain them together and toss them into the fray where they can see, first hand, the realities of the conflict. We shall have to nudge them forward, probably with bayonet pricks in the butts, but that is a small price for them to finally see the Light and Truth.

If they don't, at least we won't have to listen to their shit anymore.

Posted by: Vermont Woodchuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2014 1:19 AM

They should have been worried about that about 13 years ago when they had the chance.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2014 6:53 AM

I wonder if Germany can save Europe from itself this time? It's been rebuffed every other time it tried.

Posted by: BillH [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2014 7:09 AM

Chas, I agree with you 100% and I'd agree 1000% if it made any difference. It may be that the Germans…this time….are damned determined that there will not be another Reich…in this case an Islamic Reich. I stand with them and would love to be a part and parcel of the destruction of every vestige of islam, regardless of location, age, gender or whatever, wherever it can be found.

Posted by: Jack [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2014 7:53 AM

We're going to find, I'm certain, that there are unpleasant aspects to PEGIDA.

However, having said that, and under today's circumstances, I. don't. care.

I hope the numbers keep swelling.

Posted by: DonRodrigo [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2014 8:37 AM

I think DonRodrigo's sentiment hit the nail on the head.

However, I can only shake my head in disbelief at the comment by Christopher Taylor, "I wonder if Germany can save Europe from itself this time? It's been rebuffed every other time it tried."

Really? This must be a troll because I can't believe this comment is serious.

When did Germany try to save Europe? And from whom?

Some history. Germany in the late 19th century was where socialism gained its broadest beach head. Indeed, Marx thought the communist revolution would occur first in Germany.

Germany started WWI in earnest when it invaded neutral Belgium on its way to attacking France and thus brought Britain into the war.

It was Germany who smuggled Lenin back into Russia in 1917. The rest as they say, is history.

It was Germany who again elected National socialists into power. They subsequently forcibly occupied the Sudetenland, Austria, and Czechoslovakia before invading Poland and igniting WWII.

It was Germany who murdered six million Jews, as well as countless gypsies and other declared undesirables.

PEGIDA I hope, morphs into something more, and joins cause with similar groups in several countries to become a European wide anti-islamist movement. Not just street thugs bashing muslims. That will not help anyone.

The Europeans do need to grow a pair and take back their culture and reassert western values, no doubt about it.

However, a resurgent and belligerent German nationalism is not a good thing. As Churchill said of the Germans, they are either at your throat, or at your feet.

Posted by: Tim P [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2014 2:47 PM

However, I can only shake my head in disbelief at the comment by Christopher Taylor, "I wonder if Germany can save Europe from itself this time? It's been rebuffed every other time it tried."

I can only shake my head in disbelief at that too, since BillH said it, not me :)

Posted by: Christopher Taylor [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2014 9:21 PM

Awkward formatting, mis-quoted remarks, jeez Tim, I thought I was the only one that used crayons and wrapping paper for my comments.

The reference to Nazis is for a period seventy years ago. The Muslims are right here, right now, in yer face. I will not presume that contemporary Germans are Nazis any more than I will presume that contemporary Americans have the grit to get the job done.
As we sit on the couch going "tsk tsk" Somebody is standing up, trying to deal with the situation.

The Germans have more heritage than the last century:

Posted by: chasmatic [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 24, 2014 10:29 PM

I don't see the Nazis as being a problem in Germany. They do have a long memory of that period. As for anti-antisemitism, that is a national pastime in Europe. Breaking that habit and transferring it to the Muzzies is the trick.

Getting them to bash the Muzzies is the first step is getting Europe free of two things:
1) the Muzzies
2) Pacifist Socialism

They'll have to do some fighting for themselves. When the money flows into the arms, it won't let the ass-sitting slugs hang out in the cafés and chat philosophical shit.

Posted by: Vermont Woodchuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 25, 2014 3:39 AM


Ok, you got me on the formatting. Geez, it looked ok when i previewed it so I can't say any thing about that. I'll try to put the crayons down this time.

You are correct, the muslims are there, in their face now and they are at least doing something.
Let's see how this turns out because the Germans are not the first such group. Golden Dawn is. They are street thugs.

The Germans have a long history of aggression which predates the Nazis. That's why the allies broke the country up after WWII.


I hope you are correct and the memory of the nazis IS long. My worry is the movement being hijacked. A very serious issue that will become even more ripe for hijacking by some nationalistic totalitarian movement as economies collapse.

My apologies for the miss-attribution.

But here's one thought I do stand by. Nationalistic united Germans are more of a worry than similar French, or Russians, or just about anyone. They have proven it historically and any muslim threat pales in comparison to that, so let's be careful what we wish for.

Anyway, here's hoping wishing a Merry Christmas to everyone. And begging your pardon for the dismembered formatting and disjointed comment.

Posted by: Tim P [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 25, 2014 10:08 AM

Tim, you're a good sport and no disrespect was intended. Not too long ago my chemo knocked me for a loop and I posted a comment that was, um, weird. Gerard graciously removed it at my request.
If we are to comment here we should feel comfortable to express our feelings and thoughts; we sorta get to know each other that way. This blog has a good "come-from".

As to the Nazi specter, there is some baggage attached to it: The horror of the Jews and others consigned to death; the racism (in an older and stronger sense than the current Black/White thing)where Eugenics was venerated; the ferocity with which the German Army conquered its foes. The Wehrmacht is forever associated with Nazis but in reality they were not that political. The German soldiers were/are quality professionals. That they backed an evil cause was their failure.

The Red Army Faction, or Baader-Meinhof group were some nasty boyos. Let's hope that people like them do not gain control.

Posted by: chasmatic [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 25, 2014 10:23 PM


I hope your chemo is finished and was successful.
Or will be successful.
Merry Christmas.

Posted by: Tim P [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 26, 2014 4:04 PM

Tim, thanks for the well-wishing.
The cancer I have is Multiple Myeloma, also known as plasma cell myeloma, myelomatosis, or Kahler's disease (after Otto Kahler); it is a cancer of plasma cells, a type of white blood cell normally responsible for producing antibodies. In multiple myeloma, collections of abnormal plasma cells accumulate in the bone marrow, where they interfere with the production of normal blood cells. Most cases of multiple myeloma also feature the production of a paraprotein—an abnormal antibody which can cause kidney problems. Bone lesions and hypercalcemia (high blood calcium levels) are also often encountered.

The best that can be expected with this type cancer is remission. I will never be totally free of it. I take the chemo in an ongoing course of treatment and so far, the cancer has been held down to, like, three percent presence. The doctors find this acceptable management and I am grateful, thanks be to God, that I can live a mostly normal life.


Posted by: chasmatic [TypeKey Profile Page] at December 26, 2014 10:32 PM

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