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December 7, 2013

Premodern Values: Work. Fight. Sacrifice.


Posted by gerardvanderleun at December 7, 2013 7:35 PM. This is an entry on the sideblog of American Digest: Check it out.

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Look around you, America. Take a long, honest look. Ignore cell phones and penicillin -- compare how free we were then to how free we are now.

Now tell me they didn't die in vain.

Posted by: B Lewis at December 7, 2013 10:15 AM

Exactly so.

Posted by: vanderleun at December 7, 2013 10:22 AM

I want all of the social progressives to die in vain. Every last one of them.

Posted by: Jack at December 7, 2013 11:07 AM

Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty.

Posted by: Fat Man at December 7, 2013 12:21 PM


I respect your sentiment.

Realize, however, that when push comes to shove, nobody gets away with clean hands.

I'm not trying to dispute with you. I simply want you to understand and accept the reality of what a raw, naked power struggle entails.

The Church teaches that one may not commit an evil act in order to justify a good outcome. Good men all agree that this is so. But what is a good man to do when all the courses of action open to him are evil to one degree or another? What does a Good Guy do when his only choices are to surrender or to let the ends justify the means?

I'm not saying the Good Guys should rule out any course of action. I am simply saying that the Good Guys have a duty to be honest and realistic about the morality of the actions they may be required to take in order to prevent the Bad Guys from winning.

Posted by: B Lewis at December 7, 2013 1:07 PM

Sorry to those for whom this is common knowledge...but what does the "C-H" in the poster mean??

Posted by: Matt at December 7, 2013 1:22 PM

I'd like to know what 'C-H' means as well. A few have mentioned this poster on the Internet. One fellow suggested that the poster was made for a particular business and 'C-H' were the company's initials. Cole Hersee has been making electrical equipment and switches since 1924. It probably did a lot of war work. That's nothing more than a wild guess.

Posted by: Lorne at December 7, 2013 6:04 PM

B Lewis: I understand what you're saying but I also know, quite well too, what occurs to any people who refuse to confront pure, raw, naked human wickedness and choose, instead, to accept it and not engage in a conflict and risk all they have to eradicate it.

For my part, when push comes to shove I'd rather deal with it than accept it and from the standpoint of what the Church teaches, I'd try to be merciful and quick about the matter and not enjoy it too much if I have to deal with it. But I will deal with it, that's a given.

The position of the Church in history is typically passive and even accommodating to whatever group seeks power just as long as it isn't threatened directly and a prime example of that is the support that wealthy catholics and elements of the catholic church provided the Nazi's, not so long ago.

Jesus was not a coward and He wasn't a pacifist either, although the church ties to paint Him as one. Anyone who looks at the actions of the "church" through history with a keen eye should ask himself if the organization is passive as it imagines Jesus would be in the face of a threat, or, if its leadership if composed of self interested cowards.

It would be interesting to see what position the Church would have taken with Eve, back in the day. Do you suppose that it might have suggested that Eve serve fruit to everyone, or, would it have a Churchly duty to advise her, as I would: "Eve, find yourself a big stickā€¦"

Posted by: Jack at December 7, 2013 6:45 PM

I'd be willing to bet that C-H stood for the California and Hawaii Sugar Company (C&H Sugar).

Posted by: B Lewis at December 7, 2013 11:21 PM

"C-H" ... ?
Being in an electrical-related line of work, the name "Cutler-Hammer" comes to mind....
According to their official history, the company was organized in 1893.

And it sounds more war-related than the C&H Sugar Company!

Posted by: Eric Fithian at December 8, 2013 12:26 AM

Jack,"I want all of the social progressives to die in vain. Every last one of them."
The same goes for the Social Conservatives that wish to extend their type of governance over you.

One cannot be ethical/moral by coercive methods. Unfortunately, both sides can't abide others living as they wish in their private lives.

Posted by: Vermont Woodchuck at December 8, 2013 1:44 AM

VW, I don't disagree with you. I'm a conservative libertarian and coming from a conservative foundation, from what I've seen, heard and experienced over a 60+ year life, I believe that there is less to worry about from a social conservative than from a social progressive.

Posted by: Jack at December 8, 2013 9:28 AM

I didn't know we were a free people.

Posted by: Potsie at December 8, 2013 3:39 PM

It might be about time for conservatives to consider that the anti-Federalist were right.

Posted by: james wilson at December 8, 2013 8:06 PM

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