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[Bumped] Regarding an Impromptu Boogaloo: George Banner has some tactical observations and advice

From a discussion in the comments  following the essay in  The Captain’s Journal » Michael Yon On The Current State Of Affairs In America.

Food for thought as the angle of descent worsens…


On November 12, 2020 at 6:26 am, George_Banner said:

Facing the truth, the men of the Continental Army were treated worse than farm animals and mostly abandoned during and after the Revolutionary War.

Since our people are basically ignorant of . . . everything bar their own personal businesses and work . . . they don’t know this. But they can sense it.

Any man on the right (not leftist) knows how many of his lefto-puke neighbors would be willing to act against him in any way they could.

How would the population in general, treat and react to, a force of rightist revolutionary Patriots on the warpath to defend the Constitution and the spirit of the Founding Fathers?

Given modern technology every single lefto-puke out there would be an informer for any force opposed to the Patriots.

Any force opposed to the Patriots would not need drones for scouting. From every window and every doorbell camera, every lefto-puke out there would be a scout for the anti-Patriot forces and would flood LE and whatever authorities they managed to get to talk to with desperate attempts at reporting the “Orange Man Bad”  troops’ movements. The opposition to the Patriots would watch the war as in a video game.

And every lefto-puke government agency SWAT team and LE and a considerable number of the Armed Forces would be happy to oblige and defend “law and order.”

It would be quite a task to launch and maintain a Revolutionary Army today.

I give any attempt, save in sparsely populated areas, a 72 hours survival window before the powers that be, Trump or no Trump, fall on them like the wrath of God and obliterate all those not willing to surrender.

So the only way to move forward with this would be to act like a surreptitious force of irregulars like any insurgence operating with limited resources in occupied (by the government) terrain.

Like the IRA or pisslim terrorists or any similar force.

In the late 1940s future Israelis convinced the British to leave Palestine by these methods.  

And most of those that would be willing to participate have zero experience in this kind of life and operations and have never been on the opposite side of the forces of law and order and quite to the contrary.

I’m not saying it can’t be done. But I wonder about (a) our disposition and (b) basic ability for it.

There would be enormous losses at the beginning as reality culls the less able. Survival of the fittest. Death for the others. Enormous losses from a force by definition very small . . . gives us . . . very little to move on with.

Just thinking aloud there, but our Patriots around the time of the Revolutionary War seem to have had some success by targeting the British officers easy to spot because they were mounted among their infantry.” Red Coats”  . . . ooh . . . the irony.

We are not going to find them mounted today. But, on the other hand, it’s not like they can hide all that much. And there are so many of them. I’ m talking prominent and well known lefto-pukes out there. Everybody knows them. And sniping is a different game from marching in full kit with flags flying through the middle of the street. Just saying . . .

And here’s one of the 1st rules to live by: =E=V=E=R=Y= digital communication is like sending an e-mail to the enemy. They are listening to and reading =E=V=E=R=Y=T=H=I=N=G=. And =A=N=Y= AI device, every cell in your proximity beginning with your own, the “Internet of Things”, Alexa, Siri, Ring Doorbells, your whole digital setup, your children video games systems, =E=V=E=R=Y=T=H=I=N=G=,  is spying on you and will get you dead the moment you utter the wrong words in its vicinity. Cryptography can help quite a lot. But it has to be done by knowledgeable people. People have to be trained on it. It is not all that difficult. But you have to know how to do it.

If done right you can pass it under the very noses of the whole alphabet soup and they won’t see it.
Just saying . . .

I don’t really think even the most enthusiastic of Patriots has an inkling of the distance between what we enjoy under the 2nd Amendment to what it would take to make the 2nd Amendment actually work for its original purpose, right here, right now, today.

And . . . IF . . . we found the balls for it . . .

On November 12, 2020 at 12:31 pm, George_Banner said:

From the standpoint of theory or of dreams, a true, honest to goodness, all out, civil war is the best thing that could happen for us IF we were to give one now.

It would be like emergency surgery and reanimation for our deceased Constitutional Republic (July 4th, 1776 – November 6th, 2020)

And it might bring it back to life . . . IF . . . it is not too late.

From the standpoint of practicality the probability of it being successful is very small.

We waited too long.

And we didn’t prepare enough when the preparing was good.

Mind you, the notion is “a true, honest to goodness, all-out, civil war.” My fear is that the best we can hope for is a series of limited, very confused, and short skirmishes that would resolve nothing, waste good, decent lives and only prove to all those pusillanimous and comfortable “I’m not gonna fight you no matter what you do to me” types that they were right in not getting involved.

How many well-armed and resolute people would it take for “a true, honest to goodness, all-out, civil war” to be carried out?

Let’s throw a number out there just for comparison: the active duty US Army personnel number was around 472,000 in 2018.

Just the Army.

And the Army has all the equipment, training, and will to fight and many of them are actually aching for something to happen. Anything.

How many would WE need?

And mostly without training and with much less (!!) equipment.

Today it seems that every SWAT team has a tank thanks to the generosity of the taxpayers and the humongous amount of military surplus.

How many people would WE get armed only with a semi-auto rifle?

100,000? Dispersed. Unable to communicate without the opposition listening in as if they were part of the conversation.

Unless we could get enough of LE and Armed Forces on our side . . . it would be a party for them.
We would pose a lesser threat to them than your average pisslim jihadist gang.

Look, I’m not against it.

In fact, I’m very much in favor of civil war because I don’t see any other way for our country to survive as something decent and not the commie-fagoty thing the demonKKKrats want to “fundamentally change” us into that flies would fly away from because it would be too much, even for their maggots.

But I’m a realist, a practical individual, and a modest student of systems and trying to keep a clear head about this.

The Constitutional Republic (July 4th, 1776 – November 6th, 2020) is dead of a deadly disease: leftism plus corruption.

We could put it on suspended animation while we give a civil war (emergency surgery) and try to bring it back to life.

The problem is that as the surgeons we know the chances of a successful surgery and reanimation in the present circumstances are . . . small for lack of resources and time and patient condition.

Since the alternative is unthinkable I’m in favor of the surgery.

The alternative is we don’t have a country, anymore.

But let us not go into it thinking it will be a remake of 1776.

It would be . . . quite different.

And much, much shorter.

On November 13, 2020 at 3:33 am, George_Banner said:

@ Unknownsailor
An idea worthy of consideration.

What happens when within hours, LE, the FBI, maybe the National Guard, and maybe elite units of the Armed Forces are ordered to intervene and hunt down the culprits?
Are we going to take THEM on?
The theater of operations could get unhealthy really fast.

I’ll say “WILL get unhealthy really fast.”

Yes, some will be on our side but most will do the German “orders are orders”, click their heels and do what they are told.

Digital comms will be virtually impossible and unless you are invisible a drone will see you and all the lefto-pukes we share the world with will be recording you from the comfort of their own homes.

Imaging trying to operate kinetically and surreptitiously with a considerable number of your neighbors peering out of every window and camera trying to see you because they KNOW it is you.

How long will you last?

As soon as you leave your house ten cell phones will start recording you and conveying to LE that “he’s on the move!! . . . he just left his house and he’s carrying a rifle!!!”

Now, if 100,000 of us just went out and started killing leftos at the same time we WOULD overwhelm the system.

But the problem with numbers is that you plan for 100,000 and then you get 15 and then you find yourself in the wrong movie with the whole resources of an enemy government now comfortably focused only on you.

And Trump won’t help you even if he wanted to.

Once again: it is not that I’m against the general idea.

It is that you have to understand that you can’t jump out of a plane without a parachute with the attitude of “I’ll deal with gravity when I encounter it and I’ll rise to the occasion and I’ll find a way”

I’m not saying it is impossible.

I’m saying that 99% of the very few willing are not up to it for lack of training and ability.
And their operating span would be really short.

Before you do something make sure it makes sense.

On November 13, 2020 at 5:15 pm, mike said:

“What happens when within hours, LE, the FBI, maybe the National Guard and maybe elite units of the Armed Forces are ordered to intervene and hunt down the culprits?
Are we going to take THEM on?”
I’m betting the high end of this ensemble will be occupied with high priority tasking. It should be assumed they could make a local appearance, but the NG and local LE are probably the main forces to consider aside from the Revcom paramilitaries. Attrition for reasons ranging from combat loss to desertion should impact all of those elements negatively.
“..some will be on our side but most will do the german “orders are orders”, click their heels and do what they are told”
True, but the vast bulk of the military are not combat formations and/or suited to ground combat. There is a higher percentage of traditional patriots in the combat arms, particularly ground combat formations. The quality of those forces has gone down hill considerably since the Obama era anyway.
“Digital comms will be virtually impossible and unless you are invisible a drone will see you and all the lefto-pukes we share the world with will be recording you from the comfort of their own homes.
Imaging trying to operate kinetically and surreptitiously with a considerable number of your neighbors peering out of every window and camera trying to see you because they KNOW it is you. How long will you last?
As soon as you leave your house ten cell phones will start recording you and conveying to LE that “he’s on the move!! . . . he just left his house and he’s carrying a rifle!!!”
I don’t anticipate the opposition to be comfortable in their homes. I anticipate they will have difficulty getting along without power and the electronic gadgets will start to fall off as other things take priority for generator power and scarce fuel. As this crisis approached over the years, it would have been a good idea to relocate from hostile blue area jurisdictions to somewhere strategically advantageous (mine is 97% white, rural , forested, and mountainous, open carry, 2 days walking distance to the biggest wilderness in the Eastern US, near easy and rural ocean access, lacks large urban areas nearby, and retreat across a long wilderness border with Canada is also an option), The tactical considerations are that my property can be defended as it sits and affords instant access to the woods and mountains by the back door. If you choose to stay in a hopeless location going forward there can be little expectation of a good outcome for the reasons you mention. Something you have not touched on is the unholy nature of the enemy alliance. I do not expect the Moslems to tolerate the purple hair revolutionary freaks, alleged women, and homosexuals of antifa for very long, ditto with blm. I expect blm to devolve into mere roving urban savages and they will visit their wrath upon anyone in their path.

On November 13, 2020 at 6:36 pm, George_Banner said:


I hope your optimism is well placed.
Wouldn’t count on it, though.

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  • Casey Klahn December 10, 2020, 8:44 PM

    All food for thought. In ages past, the central thesis in war has been the national objective. In lay terms: what does your side require to happen as a result of a conflict? Depose the king? Capture all the enemies’ land? Destroy his armed forces? Re-establish a border from this mountain range to this river? Dis-associate the pack of turds of this or that people group? Change a political policy? Pure anger? Spite? Holy consecration of region (usually the opposite was the case – to de-consecrate an area).

    In a hypothetical civil war, the initiative (objective) would have to be an evident constitutional matter. Everyone without an anal-cranial inversion knows that firearms are protected by the Bill of Rights, knows that speech is sacred and under attack, and that the election was stolen. But, the thing will be to state well the exact constitutional infraction (gun confiscation, news censorship, etc). In this event, the armed forces will not have legal course to attack the people – the constitutional issues being plainly stated. As an infantry veteran (peacetime) I am convinced the military will not fight in significant numbers. I am concerned about Beltway military leadership, who drink cocktails with senators and mediates. Also, West Point has screwed the pooch and thrown in with the Ivy League (out of hubris) and it isn’t surprising to find graduates from the service academies who would support liberals.

    Now, the other part of the assessment written in this post (I just took apart the theory of mass military opposition) is the relative weakness of the militia; that is, the men of the nation. On the contrary, the number of firearms owned in America is phenomenally high. I get that many newcomers to gun ownership are libs, but they do not even know what goes in the chamber or which end the round comes out, much less being able to actually aim and hit something with their pop guns. Well over 90% of Americans have no Earthly idea of the vast difference between a sighted-in deer rifle and an off-the-shelf AR. Rifle vs carbine. Range vs relatively short range, and terminal ballistics numbers not even close.

    The US veteran population, alone, is more dangerous than the next 10 nations combined, with probably the exception of Russia, China and very few others. I don’t own an AR (never liked em) but deer fukn fear me, as do coyotes, wolves, big cats, etc. If I actually came to the situation where I needed an AR, there’d be plenty of them lying around on the ground to pick up. I can mount any crew served weapon in the army inventory and unleash aimed hell.

    No, we are not outnumbered. Yes, the whole idea of a civil war is horse manure. However, come the Constitution vs. DC, I’m in with the Constitution. If the election finishes as predicted in the news, the glove will be thrown down soon enough. Oh, BTW the posture must be a defensive one. This creates a 3:1 or 5:1 advantage for the defender.

    The part at the first about every eye and computer will see you is much nullified by the fact that everywhere is not urban in America. Think the Russian steppes. Think the Pacific Ocean.

    How will it form? Estimates today are that about 20 states have thrown down and the secession word has been uttered.

    Out here.

  • Fred Z December 10, 2020, 8:52 PM


  • Casey Klahn December 10, 2020, 8:56 PM

    I meant to say that the actual number of those armed citizens who understand their firearms and who will be warrior enough to use them is a fraction of the total number. However, the point remains the total number of firearms and owners is huge. Yuge. Add to that cohort some military and LEO, especially sheriffs and deputies. How much military? Yes, the NG did do wrong in NOLA, but some did not. Some pages have turned since then. NG formations are not in any way shape or form designed to become civil war formations. But, they are organized on the principle of the Constitution. Remember the mission statement? Just an aside: when I was in the NG, our formation was larger and better armed (tanks, helicopters, arty, aircraft) than the active non-seafaring military in the same state. Just saying…

  • azlibertarian December 11, 2020, 4:52 AM

    When I am trying to gauge the seriousness of the moment, I will sometimes check Amazon for the price of
    Unintended Consequences
    . As I write this morning, a used paperback copy is going for $150, and a hardback will set you back $450. I bought mine at a gun show back in the 90’s for about $30, IIRC, and no, it isn’t for sale.

  • ghostsniper December 11, 2020, 5:00 AM

    The first rule is to shut your yap.
    UC is available in pdf for free everywhere.

  • H (science denier) December 11, 2020, 5:31 AM


    How much ready ammunition is possessed by guard units? I am reliably informed that number is, essentially, zero these days. And, even if they have any, where would they get their resupply?

    Whenever this idea that the military will not act against the populace comes up, I am reminded of Sherman’s march thru Georgia and South Carolina, Sheridan and others depredating the Shenandoah Valley, depopulation of various counties in western Missouri during CW-One (a.k.a. “the burnt areas”), ejection of the Bonus Army from D.C. by MacArthur, sequestration of the Japanese population during WWII, etc. It’s a long list. The hope that the list will never get longer seems unsound to me, hope I’m wrong…….but with all these lib politicians calling for action up to and including “nuking” of the loyal opposition, well, we better hope they’re not telling the truth for the first time in their wretched little lives and that they have no uniformed sycophants ready to do their bidding.

    No offence.……..

  • John Venlet December 11, 2020, 6:07 AM

    On the opposite side of that coin, what if the Supreme court does act in accordance with the law in striking down the fraudulent vote, rather than in accordance with what gives the appearance to be the prevailing decline into full embracing of socialist dreams of complete authoritarian rule of the populace? If President Trump is ruled by the court as being re-elected, and I think he will be, and the left’s Antifa/BLM/alphabet soup of misfits take to the streets, again, with full approval of certain states’ ruling classes, what happens? Will the Antifa/BLM alphabet soup of misfits once again be given free rein? There shenanigans have never actually abated in WA, OR, MN, etc. If things truly do get sparky, it’s going to be messy, either way.

  • rabbit tobacco December 11, 2020, 7:13 AM

    Japan didn’t invade California
    after Pearl Harbor because the
    Citizenry was armed.

  • Mark Matis December 11, 2020, 8:04 AM

    I merely note that a fuel tanker fire on a bridge tends to destroy said bridge. And if that bridge crosses a shipping channel, it’s a DOUBLE win!!!

  • nunnya bidnez, jr December 11, 2020, 8:10 AM
  • azlibertarian December 11, 2020, 8:17 AM

    Another thought that occurred to me is that, admittedly, a Surveillance State already exists and any insurgency will have to deal with that or die pretty quickly. That said, we had a significant technology edge in the 60s and 70s in Vietnam and still left with our tail between our legs. Moreover, our recent experience against Afghan and Iraqi Islamic hasn’t exactly been decisive. Personally, think that we’ve beat them into a stalemate and that that is the best ending we’re going to get. Point being: A high tech solution to a fight against some guy in sandals or a 7th century caveman isn’t a necessary guarantee of success.

  • azlibertarian December 11, 2020, 8:19 AM

    Islamists. See what I mean about technology? Damned auto-correct.

  • Dirk December 11, 2020, 8:43 AM

    Zackly, examples many. As stated above, Nam, Astan, Philippines, Mexico, South America, Ireland, and on and on and on.

    Couple of thoughts.
    1, never be where they think you are.
    2, be bold.
    3, the shittest part of the mountain or valley is where you need to travel.
    4, the night is your friend.
    5, railways, power lines roads, goat trails, pipeline trails, alleyways, off the beaten path, waterways, are where you need to be.
    6, leadership not useful idiots are the valuble targets.
    7, there are no rules.
    8, man traps, save time and bullets.
    9, buy copper sheets while you can.
    10, fight like your already dead.
    11, hard men who know what their about, will not be removed from their mountain, ” Bill Buppert”
    12, girls are ruthless, don’t ever underestimate their potential contribution.
    13, swat, are door kickers, not field operatives, command and control are essential.
    14, swat commanders are rarely heavily guarded.
    15, get right with your God, make sure your legal stuffs done, Wills, Trusts, Powers of attorneys for loved ones, to access bank accounts, make medical choices, etc etc. you would be a fool to let Pronate courts lock your money your property up in probate counts for 12/24 months.


  • Anonymous December 11, 2020, 8:56 AM

    Connecting the dots (sometimes) may present a picture of the future. Let’s see what you think:
    1. In many of the middle America states there currently are small communities that grew up around a small college, or university campus. Typically these are small communities in areas that are predominantly agriculture. Declining enrollment and the concomitant loss of income to support the original function of these buildings–education– is now public knowledge. The small campuses and communities are usually off the East/West North/South interstate highway system.
    2. In secret conversations by the local state leaders these campuses are currently being considered for their “future”use potential. The local liberals, or governmental agencies are looking for “innovative ways” to change the situation, but they are unable to create a successful new use for these properties.
    3. Wealthy individual looking for safe space are usually liberals who donate to non-profits from which they receive benefit in some way. These individual bring big money to put into “non profit” campaigns to “re-new, or re-vitalize” the campus. Not to worry in a few years they will get that investment back.
    4. I think I sense something going on in at least one rural mid America state and that is this: these campuses are essentially available for rent. The first wave of occupiers of course will be those whose first action will be to donate money to non-profit foundations “for the purpose of restoring the buildings” on the pretense that newer buildings will bring back the student enrollment. As a side benefit these wealthy liberals get to help (re)educate the locals and that makes them feel good.
    5.However, I believe what they are actually focused on doing is acquiring for their personal safety and that of their families is a chunk of geographic territory, a large enclave if you will, to which they will move their families and their like minded and equally well funded friends. In a sense preparing a geographic area they can defend on their own terms. The large tech company winners, the Hollywood elite, the hedge fund winners are finding geographies in mid-America where they will feel safe, areas that because of the typography they will be able to defend with their own technological defense systems. And those campus buildings you ask? Well, those will just become the new “business centers” from which they operate their own corporations, paying little rent, while occupying campuses that are by original design protected from physical incursions from outside forces.
    6. It’s a nice set up. Come into semi rural areas whose local campuses are failing. Donate to a non profit fund to rebuild the campus. Receive from local leadership awe, respect, and obedience. Bring in family and friends to re-settle the area. Take over the renewed campuses for your new “business center”. All a site needs is a river, or a mountain range, or a wide open area–something that defines the physical boundaries. Funny thing that–isn’t that what the original settlers of said places were looking for? The safety provided by the topography? In today’s brave new world this new wave of settlers don’t even think about hand to hand confrontation–they don’t have to. They just have to own the territory. Oh–it feels so good to be away from Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, etc.,etc.etc.

  • EX-Californian Pete December 11, 2020, 8:58 AM

    Move to a sparsely populated, heavily-armed part of the Midwest in a very RED state.
    Learn and practice ammo reloading, self-defense, or preferably- an aggressive Martial Art.
    Learning gunsmithing will not only make you a good friend to others during a crisis, but also a friend that others would gladly defend- as if their lives depended on it.
    Get off your keester, work out daily, and get stronger. Do lots of cardio.
    Go to the range often, and develop or maintain your accuracy. Learn how to quickly deal with a FTF or FTE situation with ALL your firearms.
    Backup your necessities- a well, a generator, a well-stocked pantry full of non-perishables, etc.
    Join a “Neighborhood Watch” program- AKA citizen’s militia.

    Works for me.

  • ghostsniper December 11, 2020, 9:13 AM

    “Everything works when you don’t need it, nothing works when you do need it.”
    signed — Murphy

  • steve December 11, 2020, 9:27 AM

    remember what bracken says: anyone with a rifle has a vote on the power supply. same goes for cell towers. hard to track people when the cell towers arent working.

    And all the officers issuing round up orders have homes and families. If they are going to destroy you and yours, why should they feel safe at night?

  • Anonymous December 11, 2020, 10:03 AM

    Remember chris dorner

  • brian donley kozak December 11, 2020, 10:04 AM

    From what I’ve read you’ve already lost .Between RussiaAnd the US in Afghanistan they Kicked both our assesOver 30 yearsAnd you whine about technology And its use .Excuses for everything ,SomeOf you guys are pathetic. you Just Spew Bullshit

  • James ONeil December 11, 2020, 10:08 AM

    Me, of course I support our duly appointed upcoming president Cameltoe and would never pass along mere rumors I’ve heard such as long haul truckers planning to make their runs at 30 miles and hour or less, for safety reasons, of course, wouldn’t want to hit any children playing in the middle of the freeways, and I strongly condemn the idea of monthly or weekly or daily protests in DC and or state capitols, that would just be beyond the beyond and the idea of establishing a barter economy, such as developed in communist countries in the past, free exchange of goods out of sight of the tax collectors, and the idea of using non government issued silver rounds and or fractional ounce gold ingots instead of coins and notes backed by the honorable and trusted state would be simply silly, of course, and it would be quite impossible to develop and establish peer to and through peer communication systems that would avoid the purview of our respected leaders who, of course only have our best interests at heart, be said peer to peer, hand carried and exchanged notes on paper, how old fashioned, or line of sight vocal and or data exchange using light (laser) or tight beamed radio avoiding established internet/phone routes, nor should one think about truly unbreakable codes based on two copies of, say, random numbers, one held by the sender and the only other one by the receiver, and everyone knows it’s terribly unsafe to make guns from standard hardware or air rifles charged with a 30 buck bicycle pumps to pressures reaching 160 psi (the 220 psi pumps cost around seventy bucks) that can push, rather hard, projectiles up to 50 caliber, me, of course I’d never ever think about let alone share such silliness.

  • Anonymous December 11, 2020, 10:09 AM

    @ AzLibertarian

    I just might have to find my copy of Unintended Consequences and put it on the market. I’ve already read it about 5 times. Ross only made one printing of the book so that is why they are priced so high.

  • azlibertarian December 11, 2020, 11:48 AM

    I’ve read my copy of Unintended Consequences three, maybe four times myself, but I’m keeping it to pass to my grandkids.

  • EX-Californian Pete December 11, 2020, 12:11 PM

    Brian, thank you- for both your personal opinion, and for reminding us all just how important it is to stay in school, learn English, and get a proper education.

  • A man too far December 11, 2020, 12:30 PM

    If it was known that the offended have friends
    or spies inside LE and Fed local or national
    offices that or willing to ID neighborhood snitches.
    With a few demonstrations of consequences to
    those that don’t take patriotism seriously. It might slow
    the problem down considerably. A short campaign
    of anonymous phone calls picked out of the phone book
    with a short message to think twice about being a
    clever fellow and maybe tell your friends that it’s not
    a good idea to be a snitch. And of course all such
    conversations would be on a burner phone, with a
    disguised voice (machine generated) connected
    over the dark net (TOR).

    There are many clever ideas that would put the enemy
    in the bag on the battle field by perhaps Electronic, and
    Electrical engineers and Chemists and Structural

  • ViulfR December 11, 2020, 12:54 PM

    I really don’t think this is an “us vs them”. I think this is an us versus them plus theirs plus some others…
    …e.g. how willing is China to preserve it’s investment in the current uniparty? I think their commitment will be large and vigorous and I think they’re lining up along the Pacific shore not so much for Taiwan, but for an island hoping campaign to reach the Leftcoast.
    …best to include some additional participants in that calculus…or the math will far short and the fight even shorter…but at least the enemies foreign and domestic will be pretty identifiable.

  • Casey Klahn December 11, 2020, 7:43 PM

    Defense, defense, defense. Sabotage and subterfuge are not overtly defense, although you can layer the meaning in defense and wage an offensive defense, as described by Col Sullivan regarding what the Vietnamese did. But, I encourage you to let them come to you, if they can find you, and if you even have a radar signature.

    Texas lawsuit dismissed by SCOTUS today. Is this Ft Sumpter? It doesn’t bother me any if a block of states want to confederate, because the program of small bands of individuals is rather bleak, isn’t it? What bothers me immensely is that my state ain’t on the list to secede. Perhaps my half of the state, all “red” (bullshit that color business is a cover for commies), will calve off and join the rebs. We’ll see. Things do seem to get stinkier by the day, I hate to say.

    H, the guard gets its ammo in the same manner as any military formation: it draws it from ordinance stocks. Obama had our ammunition levels to almost zero when he handed the shitshow to Trump. What ammunition levels are now, I have no idea. All good outbreaks of war require a seizure of stockpiles. It’s more a matter of whose balls are bigger.

    brian koznaki: go shit in your hat, mate. Your comment travels in a complete circle and nullifies itself.

  • Bill December 11, 2020, 7:48 PM

    Wait, something got skipped. Why is the power out? How did that happen? Did the revfor knock out the power? How did they do that? How did they get away with it, how long is it down, what is it going to take to get it back up?

  • Casey Klahn December 11, 2020, 8:21 PM

    If this is a color revolution (CIA op) the objective isn’t even who is in the POTUS seat, but rather to create conflict after the election based on perceived corruption. The objective being to overthrow a government. Just keep the story line in mind, it’s in the books.

    Make them come for you. Be cool, calm, and collected. Your reaction is your weakness to be exploited. Make them declare gun registrations or taxes or confiscations, and let them come find you. I actually don’t own a single fukn firearm, if you can believe it. I love Biden unequivocally, and want to have his love child. Twitter is the god of news, and Facebook its celestial guardian. Black Lives Matter. LGBTQ or something.

  • James ONeil December 11, 2020, 8:27 PM
  • James ONeil December 11, 2020, 8:32 PM

    OOPS! Of course I meant don’t pass it on.

  • Jimmy the Saint December 12, 2020, 12:12 AM

    @ Dirk: “hard men who know what their about, will not be removed from their mountain”

    We respectfully disagree.
    – Japanese at Mt. Suribachi
    Germans at Monte Cassino
    Army of Tennessee at Lookout Mountain
    Patrick Ferguson and the Loyalist militia at King’s Mountain

    Holding rough terrain and high ground helps, but it isn’t impregnable.

  • Carlos the Jackal December 12, 2020, 5:38 AM

    Guess we’ll have to take care of the Peepads/Kneepads-sign neighbors first, then.

  • MMinAR December 12, 2020, 6:05 AM

    Unintended Consequences

    Bracken’s Trilogy is good too/

  • Callmelennie December 12, 2020, 7:16 AM

    @H …. One difference between the historical examples you cite and today is that the government in those times, at the very least, had a modicum of respect for the military and vice versa. Lincoln believed in Sherman, and vice versa

    The current faction that is attemption to seize absolute power by hook and by crook has a well known 50 year history of stabbing the military in the back. Do you really think the true trigger pullers will do the bidding of an obviously senile figurehead? Will they shoot their own family members, or people just like them for Kamala Harris? Will they risk being shot by these very same people?

    And will cops assist the people who completely stabbed them in the back in 2020?

  • Wmprof December 12, 2020, 7:29 AM

    “And will cops assist the people who completely stabbed them in the back in 2020?”

    Yes. Last group you would trust.

  • ama December 12, 2020, 11:13 AM

    I advise restraint in action while insisting on a Constitutional Convention for January 2nd. Let’s get the lines as clearly drawn as we can.
    Further, the enemy’s plan has always been to destroy civil exchange of ideas among the populace. This is where we need to push back now. Talk to our families and neighbors who have kept themselves immersed in bolshevik media, lead them stepwise to some truths. With Trump: no new wars, several new PEACE AGREEMENTS, Great economic recovery. Discuss and see if they agree that government is not the seat of power, that elected representatives should be chosen on ability, not popularity, that the DNC put up a senile candidate.

    We all have more in common than not. We don’t hate Canadians because of their government system, we don’t despise Mexicans because of their government system. We need to stop thinking it is OK to hate our family and neighbors because of their government viewpoints. But you can hate their viewpoints…

  • ghostsniper December 12, 2020, 2:14 PM

    “We need to stop thinking it is OK to hate our family and neighbors because of their government viewpoints.”
    You are wrong in comparing the US gov’t to Canadian and Mexican gov’t.
    See if you can figure out why?
    Hint: Mexican gov’t has never stole anything from me.

  • SgtBob December 12, 2020, 3:49 PM

    To bring up Israelis and the IRA, though — Those forces sought to drive out a force occupying their homeland. And, too, people of like-minded politics and possible action today are not geographically located.

  • Gryphon December 12, 2020, 5:03 PM

    Those pointing out the Difficulties of “Organized Resistance” are generally correct in terms of the process of “Organizing” is fraught with hazards due ENTIRELY to the average person’s Inability to NOT OWN A SPY PHONE. Until and Unless potential “Resisters” understand this simple Fact, even Individuals taking ‘action’ are vulnerable to ‘Identification and Intercept’.

    The Problem for the Enemy and their forces is the sheer numbers of potential “Domestic Terrrists” and the widespread distribution of Arms. “Gun Raids” as fantasized about by the bolsheviks would be a “Trigger” (pun intended) for Ambushes and the use of false ‘tips’ against their own supporters. (You DO know where the Harris/Biden yard signs were, Don’t You?)

    The two examples that best illustrate the problems that could arise for the bolsheviks were the “D.C. Sniper” incident, and the “Bundy Ranch Standoff”. The former was a pair of “Snipers” (one an ex-army soldier) and they managed to nearly Paralyze the ‘Swamp’ itself, over a period of Weeks. ALL possible resources were used to try and find them, including multiple Aircraft flying 24/7.
    Now, consider if This were to happen in 10, 100, 1000 Cities at the Same Time. Doesn’t Matter if some of them get Caught, the Paralysis this would cause would make ‘government’ quickly become Ineffective. Would “Mass Gun Raids” trigger this kind of response? >They< are certainly Afraid of this.

    The latter Incident, where the feral government tried to 'Run Off' a Rancher, turned into a True "Fustercluck" when People grabbed their Guns and started 'Heading to the Bridge' until the .gov thugpigs (and Dirtwater Mercenaries, don't forget) kept getting Surrounded and Covered from Behind, no matter how many "Perimeters" they tried to Establish. Some of the "Aviation Assets" involved were several States away, and the Bases were Identified through the (fake) Registration Numbers and 'Shell corporations' and those Sites were under surveillance and COULD HAVE been Attacked. This all took place WITHOUT ANY 'Command and Control' structure, and in Spite of many Poseurs that tried to "Take Charge".

    The "Incident" was defused by the Local Sheriff, who basically told the Feds that HE would cover their Retreat, to prevent a Massacre of the .gov thugpigs. At Any Time, even after that, a Single Shot (or negligent discharge) could have "Set it Off'. This showed the ability of a Swarming Attack to pose a Grave Threat to any potential "Waco Massacre" attempt by the feral 'government'.

    I believe that Admiral Yamamoto's famous Quote of "…a Gun behind every Blade of Grass" is Exactly Correct – just like in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and the rest of the 'sandbox', the Military can blunder around, Killing People and Destroying things, but never 'Win'. And after the second (or even the First) incident where Air Power, Tanks and Artillery are used against the Citizens, How Long before ANY .gov 'worker' is a 'Target'?

  • H (science denier) December 12, 2020, 7:50 PM

    Lenny, I hope you’re correct, but I have no faith in it, myself. The deep state generals will tell the wanna-be-general colonels and so on and so forth until private Snuffy just does what he’s told. Not all will participate. But enough will that there will be a hell of a mess to clean up. Even the “good” private Snuffy’s will shoot back if somebody puts a few rounds past their heads.

    Casey, thanks, that’s just what I suspected, and confirms what I’ve been told.

  • George_Banner December 14, 2020, 7:59 AM

    Dear Mr. Vanderleun,
    Much appreciated, Sir.
    You’ve done me an honor I don’t deserve.
    All the best.

  • Casey Klahn December 14, 2020, 11:26 AM

    The contingent events line up like this:

    A long, slow boiling pot of frogs, where we gradually, ever so gradually, suffer erosions of our rights under the constitution. Low-level (Brown Shirt style) political violence from the Left continues as is, in order to keep fear in the minds of much of America. Righty: evil. Lefty: he’s okay, he’s after So-shul JustUs, will be the prevailing message. No kinetic conflict or civil war ensues, and we sink into President Reagan’s predicted millennium of darkness, in which individual rights are gone and the state reigns as some form of oligarchic, communist, or fascist entity.

    Kinetic events do explode, with patriotic Americans divided into small groups of militias, who are engaged one by one in an effort to strike fear into the masses and ensure submission to the state. How many need to be arrested or killed? Only enough to subdue the will of the people and quiet the patriots. Disarmament of the citizenry is accomplished in a piecemeal fashion, and just enough to dishearten resistance.

    An actual succession of states, al la the first Civil War, and kinetics take place along geographical front lines. The heartland is safer from open conflict, unlike the previous option in which everyone is subject to piecemeal attack by federal armed agencies. Instead of a North/South divide, it becomes a coastal vs interior divide. An unknown percentage of military and reserves and LEO entities calve off from the Union (for the lack of a better descriptor: we’ll use Union and Rebs for now) and fight with the Rebs. Maybe 50% but probably more on the order of 60-80%; I know many of you are pessimists about this but consider that these armed forces and agencies take an oath to the constitution, not the Deep State and the president.

    What options did I miss?

    If the third takes place, allies will arrive from overseas, because the whole world is watching us and looks the the US as the beacon freedom.

    Keep in mind the objective of the Left, at this point in time, is to dissolve the US as it now stands. No more pesky constitution. The playbook is to sow discord enough over a corrupt presidential race, etc., to cause an outbreak of violence. The endgame will be when some senator, flanked by a BLM thug and some Black Panthers, stands up in the well of the congress and declares: “this institution, the USA, is dissolved.” The GOPe will go along.

    I’m against starting a war. At a level certain, it has already begun in the same way that the conflicts that metastasized into WW II was born during the 1930s. Very well; have an objective ( the protection of the constitution and the Bill of Right). There is still a slim hope that the president’s team will stop this turnover of power; after that, kinetics seem likely.

    Go with God.

  • Casey Klahn December 14, 2020, 11:43 AM

    Some color notes. When I was in the guard, the army wanted us to close down our tank park and maintenance facility, and move it south of I-5 and onto Ft Lewis. They claimed that crossing the I-5 overhead bridge was detrimental to something; at any rate we told them to shit in their hats. We continued to operate out of our NG camp and draw ammo and train on Ft Lewis. We actually had more shit than they did – we outweighed them by a considerable amount in numbers of tanks, artillery, and APCs. This is how the NG rolls.
    In California this past year, the NG was ordered to stand down by the USFS, I guess it was, and probably various state agencies, when 200 plus people were trapped by forest fires in a national park or forest. The guard pilots, in full-on national guard fashion, flew to the scene, and in complete darkness of smoke and flames, found the people (a car taillight just shone through the smoke) and put down and conducted a major rescue operation.
    The NG, in my unattached estimate, and I expect probably a good deal of the active duty, are itching to fight. This dog is fed, disciplined, and wanting to tear into some bad guy’s leg. You’ve asked yourself why or how the armies in the Civil War went at it so aggressively. It’s because they wanted to fight. Simple as that.
    We’ve already seen how that what seems like nearly 99% of sheriffs in the US want nothing to do with the liberal horse shit being dished out. I’d love to say the same for city police forces, but after watching the GD Seattle and Spokane cops kneeling to BLMers, I have some doubt as to their loyalties.
    On a snowy eastern Oregon road, we all watched the FBI and Gov Brown (shirts)’s state patrol kill a rancher in cold blood, and then flip off his dead body. State police and federal agencies; not your best friends.
    American veterans. Fukn horny for a fight. Angry. Dangerous. Possibly the most dangerous armed militia the world has ever known. They need almost no pretext or reason for a fight.

  • Chris December 14, 2020, 12:37 PM

    Ana- I think you understate American hatred for Mexico and Canada.

  • Elder Son December 14, 2020, 12:57 PM

    Che’s biggest mistake was not taking his armed revolution to the Bolivian cities.

    He was too busy with the poor rural peasants.

  • azlibertarian December 14, 2020, 1:30 PM

    Re: The DC “Beltway Sniper”

    That guy was both a genius and a f’n idiot.

    First of all, if you remember right, every local, state and federal law enforcement agency across, what was it, 3-4 states were looking for a white guy in some panel truck. It turned out that he was a black guy (and the kid) in an Impala. He probably drove past a hundred cops who were looking for someone else.

    You know how they found him? The idiot called in and wanted a $1M credit applied to a Mobil gas credit card he had stolen from one of his earlier victims (here in AZ, as I remember). As this was going on, I told a LEO I ran into that someone out to duplicate this could get away with it forever if they just kept their mouth shut.

    If he had wanted, he could just get in his car every 3, 4, 5 days, drive 200 miles from home, take one shot, and then go home. Take a month off every now and then. Pay your bills. Don’t quit your job or divorce your wife. No calls to anyone. No Fakebook posts. No mouthing off at the mosque or gun club (or internet forums) or wherever you hang out. Nothing.

  • ghostsniper December 14, 2020, 2:43 PM

    @Casey, most of my 4 years was in Wildflecken, Germany 7km from the east german border and border patrol/guard was our primary mission. Though my MOS was demolitions specialist I was mostly a driver of 5 ton vehicles. Because readiness required it ALL of our equipment was kept in top shape at all times. Lives depended on it.

    I came back to finish my last 7 months at Fort Campbell, KY, the 2nd largest army installation in the world at the time, and my MOS stayed the same, 5 ton trucks. Just about all of the equipment was almost deadlined junk. It had all been used to death and worn out and nobody in the chain gave a shit. Seemed like everybody, even the lifers, had short timer attitudes. It was appalling. In an overseas army unit I learned how to be a soldier but in a stateside army unit I learned how to be a civilian.

  • Elder Son December 14, 2020, 6:06 PM

    “We need to stop thinking it is OK to hate our family and neighbors because of their government viewpoints.”

    And the Cushite answered, “May the enemies of my lord the king and all who rise up against you for evil be like that young man.” And the king was deeply moved and went up to the chamber over the gate and wept. And as he went, he said, “O my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! Would I had died instead of you, O Absalom, my son, my son!”

    It was told Joab, “Behold, the king is weeping and mourning for Absalom.” So the victory that day was turned into mourning for all the people, for the people heard that day, “The king is grieving for his son.” And the people stole into the city that day as people steal in who are ashamed when they flee in battle. The king covered his face, and the king cried with a loud voice, “O my son Absalom, O Absalom, my son, my son!”

    Then Joab came into the house to the king and said, “You have today covered with shame the faces of all your servants, who have this day saved your life and the lives of your sons and your daughters and the lives of your wives and your concubines because you love those who hate you and hate those who love you. For you have made it clear today that commanders and servants are nothing to you, for today I know that if Absalom were alive and all of us were dead today, then you would be pleased. Now therefore arise, go out and speak kindly to your servants, for I swear by the Lord, if you do not go, not a man will stay with you this night, and this will be worse for you than all the evil that has come upon you from your youth until now.”

  • George_Banner December 14, 2020, 11:29 PM

    ““We need to stop thinking it is OK to hate our family and neighbors because of their government viewpoints.””

    It is, indeed, OK to hate evil for if we love life and goodness and decency then hating the opposite is in itself, good and decent and normal and human.”
    If family and / or neighbors are evil then hating them is the good and decent thing to do.

    A man of honor and decency should hate evil.
    Not as a disembodied hobgoblin but those and all individuals who are evil and do evil and teach evil and uphold evil as if it wasn’t what it is.
    A man should hate because evil exists in the world.
    A man should be proud of his hates and carry them among his banners, high and assertive.
    “This is what I hate and my hate for it knows no limits.”

    Because we love the good we hate evil.
    If it was otherwise we would be indeed insulting what we love.
    I’m not willing to do that.
    I hate leftists.
    I know leftists.
    Most people don’t understand leftism.
    Most people don’t understand fascism.
    If they did, they would see and they would know that leftism and fascism are two sides of the same coin: collectivism.
    The swastika and the sickle and hammer are two manifestations of the same phenomenon: evil.
    One wears a brown or a black shirt. The other wears a red shirt.
    They pretend to hate each other.
    But only as two competing tribes of cannibals hate each other.
    They both want to corrupt and conquer the good, to rule us and to eat us.
    Evil cannibals both.

    Curse the stupidity of the man who claims there’s no hate in his heart.
    Because that is a man who values nothing.
    Nothing is good enough to be valued by him and so to hate what would harm it.
    The man who doesn’t value is not really alive.

    What is the value we are losing?
    Western civilization. For without America there is no hope for Western civilization.
    We already lost it politically.
    The late Constitutional Republic the United States of America (July 4th, 1776 – November 3rd, 2020) is no more.
    I hate those responsible.
    All leftists.
    By doing what they did they forfeited their lives.
    All by themselves. Their choice: treason.
    Their punishment, the same as it has been back to the beginning: death.

    “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”

    Marcus Tullius Cicero, (106-43 B.C.) Roman Statesman, Philosopher and Orator, from a speech given to the Roman Senate, recorded in approximately 42 B.C. by Sallust.

    We have a plague to cure. And, no, it’s not any stupid coronavirus. That is nothing. Our plague is leftists.

  • Casey Klahn December 15, 2020, 8:56 AM

    Ghost: good point on readiness. I may have to take the energy I’ve been putting into following politics, and into “voting”, and direct it towards mil readiness. Once, and if, Biden is sworn in, then that’s effectively the end of voting in America, isn’t it?

    One of the reasons the army did not like our tank park and maintenance facility at Camp Murray was that we were ready out-the-ass. Our maintenance level was the envy of the free world. Our stuff was almost as new as the army stuff, but impeccably cared for by full time and highly professional wrench turners. We spent every waking hour, which was typically, for me, 20 -23 hours training days at Ft Lewis and Yakima Firing Center, in armor and mech infantry roles.

    Recall that this was under Reagan, and at that time I reckoned that our training time, actually behind the wheel or joy stick and dropping rounds and pulling triggers, was pretty fukn near that of my active duty counterparts in the Old Reliables on fort. They had duty roster, inspection, barracks duty, etc., we had boots on and ass in the grass when in uniform. And we weren’t choking the chicken the rest of the month – remember we had dual lives.

    Yes, I well recall just after Vietnam the army was long hair, thumb up the ass and low morale. That was what Reagan fixed, and I was in both of those eras. After Reagan, the Gulf War (like it or not) was the wet run of that army.

    Ok, so I am full of shit, but only enough to make my war face active. One has to be fired-up if the horizon is on fire. Am I “ready” now? Hell no. I went out to harvest a turkey 2 weeks ago, on snow, and could not crawl that last 30 yards to close the range. Like an absolute loser, I fired at too long a range to be effective.

    When I was, a few short years ago, making small mistakes when hunting, I had a cycle of more and more trips afield to oil the machine and make it all work. Now, when I make stupid mistakes, in the back of my mind I know there won’t be a lot of trips to tighten my game. I’m old; low crawling was much easier when I was 17, 18, and even when I was 40. Fuhk. It’s weird being the same age as old people.

    Don’t underestimate the guard. As a matter of fact, this summer they may have been the unheralded decisive force in DC, Minneapolis, LA, Seattle, etc. during the riots. The NG went into DC and the big riots stopped – the media didn’t tell you that.

    Anyway, after I got out of the service I actually learned how to aim my rifle. I could put a TOW rocket through a dumpster door at a click, and a mortar round on an X in a hip shoot, and although my M-16 was like a third hand to me, (I humped it mile after mile after mile) I was never really that great a shot with it. Then, my climbing and hunting buddy, who was a record-holding shooter in the marines, and who was a sniper school instructor, coached me, and in about 2 days of shooting, I was all of a sudden a crack shot with the deer rifle. I have LR kills that are remarkable.

    Anyway, all my stories. What’s next? When she takes away our AR-15s, is that the tripwire? How about universal registration? How about a heinous ammo tax? My personal feeling is don’t register, don’t pay the tax, and let John Law make that interesting trip to one’s door to find out why you aren’t participating in the reset nation.

    What’s the best place to buy cosmoline in bulk? Asking for a friend.

    Out here.


  • Vanderleun December 15, 2020, 12:37 PM

    Remember to share, Casey.

  • Dirk December 15, 2020, 1:10 PM

    Jimmy, all your examples were strategic retreats. Ten minutes after our guys left,,THEY reoccupied their mountain.

    I don’t know who printed this, but it’s important to me, no idea why.

    ” I wish it need not have happened in my time, said Frodo, ” so do I”said Gandalf,,,, and so do all who live to see these times.

    But that is not for them to decide!.

    All we have to decide,,, is what to do with the time that is given us!.

    Fellowship Of The Ring.

    I’m not the first to pen this, on our patriot sites. If I could remember the gentlemans name, I’d give him the credit, for recognizing the significance of this simple line in a movie.



  • Casey Klahn December 15, 2020, 4:17 PM

    Thanks, Gerard. Opens the lid…

  • Boat Guy December 16, 2020, 8:44 PM

    If it’s time to bury them (cosmoline) it’s actually time to dig them up.

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