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Open thread 9/20/23

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  • newlangsyne September 20, 2023, 8:15 AM

    The $20 view.

    • ghostsniper September 20, 2023, 8:43 AM

      I’d trade almost everything I have to own a view like that.

      • John A. Fleming September 20, 2023, 12:34 PM

        That’s the two weeks in August when it’s clear and doesn’t rain view. From October to April it’s cold, rainy and snowy. In May and June it rains a lot. It gets better in July.

        I wanted to go climbing in the Canadian Rockies, the peaks are so cool, but I read too many reports of guys who went for two weeks and all they got for it was rain. It kept me climbing closer to home.

      • Terry September 21, 2023, 7:48 AM

        Out my backyard and a four and a half mile hike north-east is a view like that, and a cast with a fly rod should bring you a trout for lunch. Bear country however so vigilance is a required mode of operation (both black and brown varieties). Geertson lake, Idaho. Northern Rockies. There are numerous lakes on both sides of the range crest. Mostly extremely tedious climbing for my old body.

        • ghostsniper September 21, 2023, 2:48 PM

          Nice terrain Terry. Just spent the past hour or so in google maps and zillow checking the area out.

  • ghostsniper September 20, 2023, 8:50 AM

    Chemirmir killed a bunch of elderly women by smothering them with a pillow.
    (This sort of thing is acceptable by Vox Day.)
    Then he stole their stuff and sold it.
    Finally he was caught, convicted, sentenced.
    But true justice eluded him.
    Until yesterday.
    Chemirmir insulted his cellmates children and that went too far.
    The cellmate beat his ass to death.
    Maybe that cellmate should receive some reward money, say, half the cost to taxpayers for 1 year of the murderers prison upkeep, and encouraged to bring more justice. I’ll even throw in a few bux to sweeten the pot.


    • Mary Ann September 20, 2023, 6:59 PM


    • Joe Krill September 21, 2023, 5:17 AM

      Wonder why “it” was not charged with hate crimes?

      • ghostsniper September 21, 2023, 6:41 AM

        Maybe “it” was another negro, and as everyone knows, negro’s are incapable of hate crimes.

        • Joe Krill September 21, 2023, 7:06 AM

          You must have seen the pictures of the twenty four women he murdered.

  • ghostsniper September 20, 2023, 5:49 PM

    David Attenborough got ahold of a drone.

    • Casey Klahn September 21, 2023, 12:27 PM

      Worst part is these bishes can’t walk on high heels.

  • ghostsniper September 21, 2023, 6:44 AM

    Probably one of the finest buildings ever created in this country.
    I could spend days wandering this structure, inside and out with vid cam, digital tape measure, and sketchpad in hand.


  • Trooper John Smith September 21, 2023, 6:58 AM

    It’s late September in 1780 and John Sevier is gearing up for a celebration at his home on the Nolichucky River. The British are engaging in their Southern Strategy after being mired down in the north. Patrick Ferguson is charged with a recruiting swing through the Carolinas, where Cornwallis is convinced that the hills are teeming with loyalists. Ferguson soon finds out that rumors of loyalists eager to serve the King have been exaggerated. He is still able to round up about 1100 tories, and through intelligence gathered from them, finds that the Overmountain Men in the Holston, Nolichucky, and Watauga Settlements are far from sympathetic to the Crown. Hell, they’re downright defiant. He sends a message across the mountains and proclaims that if they do not “lay down their arms and swear loyalty to the King” he would “hang your leaders and lay waste your lands with fire and sword”. One of the Patriot leaders, Isaac Shelby, rode to john Sevier’s home on the Nolichucky and the two agreed to lead a group to seek out Ferguson and lay some fire and sword on him first. John Sevier’s planned celebration turned into a war party. About 400 men mustered at Abingdon, Virginia and marched towards Sycamore Shoals (near present day Elizabethton, Tennessee), stopping in Saltville, Virginia to gather more men. On September 25, the Patriots mustered at Sycamore Shoals and crossed the Watauga River with 900 mounted backwoodsmen and many others following on foot, their numbers increasing as they advanced through the backcountry. Sevier’s men had been supplied with 500 pounds of the finest black powder on the frontier, donated by Mary Patton who ran a powder mill on Powder Branch near Sycamore Shoals. The first night, they made Roan Mountain and made their encampment as a light rain began to fall. They stored Mary Patton’s powder under a rocky overhang that, to this day, is called Shelter Rock. If you go there today, you’ll find a plaque placed by the DAR marking the spot: “They trusted in the Lord, but kept their powder dry.” These men were used to hard work, hard travel, and hard fighting so they made quick progress toward their enemy. Intelligence gathered from locals led them to Ferguson’s encampment atop King’s Mountain on the border of North and South Carolina on October 7, 1780. The arrogant Ferguson was scornful of the Patriot militia and declared that “Not even God himself will remove me from this mountain!” His words were prophetic, because he’s still up there, weighted down with lead from numerous Patriot rifles as he tried to break through the lines and escape. The Patriots had encircled the base of the mountain and started up, each man being his own commander. Firing from cover and advancing steadily, The Tennesseeans yelled wildly, prompting loyalist Captain Abraham De Peyster to remark to Ferguson, “These things are ominous–these are the damned yelling boys!” After only 65 minutes, every British troop had been killed or captured. Not one man escaped. Our brave Overmountain Men only suffered 28 killed and 60 wounded.

    John Sevier went on to be the only Governor of The State of Franklin and the first and longest serving Governor of Tennessee. He is truly Tennessee’s first hero.

    The Reverend Samuel Doak made a rousing speech and led the Overmountain Men in prayer prior to their departure. It’s quite a prayer: “My countrymen, you are about to set out on an expedition which is full of hardships and dangers, but one in which the Almighty will attend you. “The Mother Country has her hands upon you, these American Colonies, and takes that for which our fathers planted their homes in the wilderness – OUR LIBERTY. “Taxation without representation and the quartering of soldiers in the homes of our people without their consent are evidence that the Crown of England would take from its American Subjects the last vestige of Freedom. “Your brethren across the mountains are crying like Macedonia unto your help. God forbid that you shall refuse to hear and answer their call – but the call of your brethren is not all. The enemy is marching hither to destroy your own homes. “Brave men, you are not unacquainted with battle. Your hands have already been taught to war and your fingers to fight. You have wrested these beautiful valleys of the Holston, and Watauga from the savage hand. Will you tarry now until the other enemy carries fire and sword to your very doors? No, it shall not be. Go forth then in the strength of your manhood to the aid of your brethren, the defense of your liberty and the protection of your homes. And may the God of Justice be with you and give you victory.” “Let Us Pray”

    “Almighty and gracious God! Thou hast been the refuge and strength of Thy people in all ages. In time of sorest need we have learned to come to Thee – our Rock and our Fortress. Thou knowest the dangers and snares that surround us on march and in battle. “Thou knowest the dangers that constantly threaten the humble, but well beloved homes which Thy servants have left behind them. “O, in Thine infinite mercy, save us from the cruel hand of the savage, and of Tyrant. Save the unprotected homes while fathers and husbands and sons are far away fighting for freedom and helping the oppressed. “Thou, who promised to protect the Sparrow in its flight, keep ceaseless watch, by day and by night, over our loved ones. The helpless woman and little children, we commit to Thy care. Thou wilt not leave them or forsake them in times of loneliness and anxiety and terror. “O, God of Battle, arise in Thy might. Avenge the slaughter of Thy people. Confound those who plot for our destruction. Crown this mighty effort with victory, and smite those who exalt themselves against liberty and justice and truth. “Help us as good soldiers to wield the SWORD OF THE LORD AND GIDEON.” “Amen”

    Rev. Doak was the first president of Washington College, near Greeneville, Tennessee. His son Dr. John Whitfield Doak succeeded him in later years as the president of Washington College.

    • ghostsniper September 21, 2023, 7:44 AM

      I likes a good story, and this one was good.

      • Trooper John Smith September 21, 2023, 10:03 AM

        Here is a great collection of good stories. I encourage you to read about the Siege of Fort Caswell (AKA Ft Watauga). Once again, Sevier is our hero and we learn about Tennessee’s first First Lady and how she met our intrepid leader. She’s no slouch in the courage department, herself. Even earned a nickname that followed her for life: “Bonny” Kate. The Cherokee attacked the fort one morning, catching several women outside the enclosure while they were milking and what not. They all made it back to the fort except for Kate. She was farther away and the doors were shut. She led her pursuers on a merry chase around the stockade. She spotted a portion of the wall and an extended hand from atop the palisade. “And, then it was leap or die, for I would not live a captive,” She gathered her skirts and made the jump. The hand that pulled her over was that of John Sevier. As she fell into his arms he exclaimed, “Oh my Bonny Kate!” to this day, there is a theater in Elizabethton, Tennessee called the Bonny Kate Theater.

        The Siege is re-enacted every year at Sycamore Shoals. “Liberty: The Saga of Sycamore Shoals” runs every weekend in June. Check it out if you’re ever lucky enough to be in Northeast Tennessee for any reason.


  • SK September 21, 2023, 11:07 AM

    Great stuff today Trooper John.
    These are the stories children should be learning to inspire a sense of national pride and to motivate them to be courageous.

    • Trooper John Smith September 21, 2023, 11:21 AM

      Glad y’all enjoy this stuff. It’s a subject that has fascinated me since childhood. I was born within spitting distance of the first cabin built in Tennessee. Just riding my bike around near home, I was exposed to multiple historical markers that sparked my yearn to learn. The book I linked to was intended as a history book that would still be entertaining. It is great for kids and adults alike.

      As I think about it, the Overmountain Men’s involvement in the Revolution was probably one of the reasons East Tennessee was largely pro Union during The Late Unpleasantness. All of our fighting age men had grown up hearing stories about how Grandpappy fit at King’s Mountain. Can’t fight against something that Grandpappy fought to establish. Well, that, and most everybody was too poor to own slaves. First abolitionist newspaper in the country was in Tennessee’s oldest town, Jonesborough.

  • Anne September 21, 2023, 4:46 PM

    hm m m. . . How far is Venezuela from Nicaragua? Does anyone here remember Regan trying to help clean up Nicaragua? Should we have more information and a better understanding of the history and the relationship between Nicaragua and Venezuela? Why do I get a twitch with Biden’s move to facilitate Venezuela entering the US?

    • ghostsniper September 21, 2023, 6:12 PM

      From border to border, about 800 miles.
      On flat normal land a healthy person can walk 4 mph.
      800 miles = 200 hours.
      That is an ideal scenario.
      If Mike Austin was around I bet he’d give a clearer picture.

  • Anne September 21, 2023, 4:50 PM

    I just googled a map and tried to get either a walking distance or a driving distance between the two countries and the goggle map could not provide that info. But if you back off just a little please ask yourself “what am I seeing”?

  • ghostsniper September 21, 2023, 6:30 PM

    Seen somewhere:

    “The Remedy is Kennedy”

  • Anne September 21, 2023, 8:50 PM

    Thanks Ghostsniper. I do wish Mike would join in in this conversation. What are we seeing, why Venezuela first?

  • Harry B September 22, 2023, 7:16 AM

    Actually, it’s Moraine Lake, near Lake Louise in Alberta. Was there last week and have nearly the same photo.

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