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Open thread 6/5/23

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  • Joe Krill June 5, 2023, 11:26 AM

    u gotta b kdng

  • ghostsniper June 5, 2023, 11:48 AM

    A comment over at Kunstler’s place:
    “Guess what folks, the Boomers are all retiring and with them goes most of the American work ethic.”
    Which begs the question, “Who’s gonna “man” all the pumps after everyone stops working?”

    Suddenly, all the little “Boxes of Color” go black.

    • Arty June 5, 2023, 2:21 PM

      Everything is going wrong at the same time. Is the singularity I keep hearing about?

      • John A. Fleming June 5, 2023, 7:44 PM

        The apocalyptics and history buffs, looking for those rhymes, call this the Fourth Turning, the three previous being the War for Independence, the Civil War, and the Depression and rise of the imperial American State. In each case, the broad consensus about how to live together in peace frays and fractures, and after a period of chaos and conflict, a new order comes to be.

        It’s like a 70-80 year cycle, these Turnings. The last of the Depression folks have pretty much left the scene, so there’s no one alive who knows and remembers just how bad it can get, and their great-grandchildren have no loyalty to the old regime’s truths and shared consensus. No, the young folks are going to make the world anew.

        It looks like the 2020’s are to be the chaos and conflict years, where the dregs of the old order are swept away and ideas about the new order to be are formed and contend. While the vocal side, the ever-present marxist revolutionaries and their useful idiots the “Republicans” seem to be ascendant, the other side has not yet had its say. And this time we are importing/letting in a whole bunch of new folks who aren’t coming here to recreate the non-free *-holes they came from, who aren’t very educated, but also don’t particularly like the risks of Liberty. So yeah, they’re coming for the liberty, but also for the gibs.

        Heinlein 70 years back now predicted this period as “The Crazy Years”.

        That Singularity thing the futurists talk about is supposed to happen about 2030, where a whole bunch of new technologies converge and transform society, at least for the survivors. ChatGPT is the first stirrings of such a transformation. A whole lot of people are about to be made redundant, those who don’t know how to use and take advantage of the new technologies. Redundant people without prospects do not go gently into the night. We will always need plumbers and electricians and builders and repairmen, jobs that require a high degree of flexibility and touch labor. Soon there will be robots that do all the gardening and household chores, menial repetitive tasks, so even the new folks from the *-holes are going to find it increasingly difficult to make a living.

        The question then becomes, and this is what makes it a singularity, is what will the people of the 2040’s and beyond actually do? From our side, it seems hard to predict, because so many life-changing things are going to happen all at once. The dystopic movie Elysium is a good take on what could be. There’s a scene of vast stacked “tiny houses” made of shipping containers. The folks in California are all talking now about tiny houses and forced higher-density residential as a method to respond to increasing homelessness and demand for affordable housing. Imagine the redundant people getting a tiny house and a tiny UBI, while the technorati live like lords of creation. After all, what is to be done with the vast horde of the newly-redundant, what organizing methods of societies can be envisioned and implemented that will forestay mass conflict and killings?

        Put not your faith and trust who those who offer the same old serpent, even if it’s dressed in gaudy new clothes. There’s going to be too much change happening all at once, and all the known responses will be suboptimal. Make your question and your search be for what will be the most resilient to change, to keep the best of the old and quickly adapt to and utilize the new.

        • ghostsniper June 6, 2023, 4:26 AM

          What is UBI?

          • Rev.Bro. Generik Broderick June 6, 2023, 8:26 AM

            Universal Basic Income=Slavery

          • John A. Fleming June 6, 2023, 8:34 AM

            UBI – Universal Basic Income, money for nothing, so you won’t riot. It never works, but they keep thinking it will. Helicopter money, enough to pay for your housing and food. It doesn’t actually work, because all it does is cause inflation. That’s not the point. It’s to passivate and dependent’ize. It’s just another form of those “full-employment” marxist economies, they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work.

            • ghostsniper June 6, 2023, 2:06 PM

              Well they already have that, don’t they?
              But it’s called EBT and countless other things?
              Where the various factions of gov’t give certain people money that it steals and borrows.
              If it helps to make this rotten assed gov’t fail even sooner than I’m all for it.

              FWIW, unless the criminals in the gov’t employ set off a fuse to Russia, China, or some other entity capable of nuclear retaliation I am convinced the criminal enterprise will continue as is until some sort of major financial catastrophe puts a cease to it. The criminal gov’t is fueled by criminal money. Cut the money, the criminal stops.

  • ghostsniper June 5, 2023, 5:29 PM

    The Best Western Opening Scene Ever


  • Denny June 6, 2023, 5:17 AM


    Total Depravity
    Unconditional Election
    Limited Atonement
    Irresistible Grace
    Perseverance of the Saints

    • Casey Klahn June 6, 2023, 2:17 PM

      Calvin is very comforting, but I trend towards a form of Calminianism. That’s some of TULIP and mostly Arminianism. Calvin is too logic-bound or rational, and yet his set falls apart when you don’t have choice. Not very many Christians truly believe in no human agency. Those who do believe in double-predestination. That’s too hard to support.

      OTOH, I take comfort where friends have left the faith. I think they’re likely to return and ascend.

  • Trooper John Smith June 6, 2023, 5:38 AM

    The long sobs of the violins of autumn
    wounds my heart with a monotonous languor.

    The chair is against the wall.

  • John A. Fleming June 7, 2023, 12:38 AM

    Astrud Gilberto just passed away. She’s the dame from Brazil who sang “The Girl from Ipanema” to stardom. I was earwormed into watching her on U-tube all evening. What a sweetie. She’s going to be singing inside my head for days. She had a long and fruitful life, two sons, fifty years of performing, a voice like no other.

    It just bugs me, we get our days in the sun, we’re famous and we get to do stuff, and then it’s time’s up, fade away and make room for the new. And a hundred years later there won’t be a single person alive that even remembers our name. So many artists and authors, famous in their day are now forgotten, and it can happen so fast. It just doesn’t make any sense to me, what’s the point if it’s as if a person was never there?

    • Casey Klahn June 7, 2023, 3:02 AM

      I always liked the name Astrud, and also I like the name Ulrika. TGFI is one of those ditties that you can explore across the video world, and numb the mind. But, if you just follow the one personality it becomes like a chant.

      John, my question is: remembered by whom? By family? Friends? Strangers among your countrymen? Saint Peter? We looked at headstones a couple Sundays back, and did some remembering. In general, I’m not sure the contemporary human mind is geared towards memory. One’s memory begins from whenst he was born. I have the ability to remember things though my parent’s stories, and these are vivid memories because of my imagination, and I suppose because of the story-telling prowess of my parentage, and also the weight of the events they told me about. I also read history, and I look at art.

      Songs trigger memories, but you’ll have to write a real corker for it to become universally part of the collective mindscape. Words and pictures last longer, but that’s the nature of the devices.

      Time’s up. Other than eternal life, which I believe in, there are ways to hack the time dimension. But it’s very, very involved.

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