The Gun School

Absolutely, positively 100% correct.

They fantasize about more gun control- well on that campus they *had* gun control- nobody except police could carry firearms.

Posted by Yanni Znaio at April 18, 2007 8:32 PM

You HAVE to come to Utah again someday.

I'd be happy to load up the Dodge, head south for a meet and show you a thing or three about safe and effective shooting. I can't lie; there might be some moments of fun. Nothing brings a smile to a person's face like accomplishment. And hitting what you aim at is way high on my list of fun things to do.

Posted by TmjUtah at April 18, 2007 10:13 PM

With a little research you will notice that no communist currently running for President loudly endorses gun confication. Don't upset the Red States. Good call.

After decades of leftist/socialist "sensable" or "common sense" propaganda about guns, the body politic has answered with complete sensability by aquiring more firearms and carry permits. At last, the law of unintended consequenses strikes back at the leftards.

Just another skirmish in the on-going civil war over the future of freedom. As the would be slave masters, and now the VT victims, know all too well, those in possession of the guns, wins.

Posted by rexrs at April 19, 2007 7:52 AM

I will not ask you what type of firearm do you carry but might I ask what type did you do your training with?
Personally, I like Glocks.

Posted by ChiefTestPilot at April 19, 2007 1:45 PM

You have just been moved to the top of Hillary's list of AB personalities (anti-bolshevik).

Posted by dave harris at April 19, 2007 1:48 PM

I have tried to use your "send" feature twice today, without success. I get a "page cannot be found" screen. This is really good. I'd like to share it. Thanks.

Posted by SCATTERSHOT at April 19, 2007 6:42 PM

I grew up around men who hunted and were comfortable having and using guns. I loved to trapse around behind my father when he went quail hunting. He taught me a lot about guns. I learned to shoot when I was a teenager.

Anyway, many years later my former husband and I had a weekend cabin on a lake. Since it was considered somewhat rough country, we bought and hid a handgun in our bedroom, near the bed.

One summer evening I escaped the city and was at the cabin alone for a night. I had turned off all the lights, gone to bed with my night gown on and was in the process of dozing off to sleep. It was summer and all the windows were open with only screens on the windows.

As I fell asleep, I heard footsteps coming through the woods towards our house. I sat up in bed in the dark, frozen with fear. I listened. It was definitely a man outside and he must have known I was there alone.

I was as frightened as I've ever been in my life. I remembered the gun hidden nearby. I could hear the man breathing outside through the screens.

I remember my father teaching me that I should never pick up a gun, never touch it, unless I fully intended on using it.

For a split second, I hesitated to frightened to move. And then I made the decision. I went for the gun knowing I was going to have to use it.

When I picked it up, something in me said to make loud noises. So in the darkness of that warm summer night I got out of bed with the loaded gun and reached for a drawer and started banging it, stomping on the floor and shouting at the top of my lungs:

"I know you're out there. I know who you are. And I have a gun and am going to kill you if you come any closer." I meant what I said, just like my father taught me. There could be no more hesitation on my part.

I repeated it several times, and then stood in the silence with the gun loaded, cocked and ready
to fire. I held my breath. The tension was unbelievable.

And then, I heard the man, right under my window, turn and run away through the woods. He was gone. Never to return. I called my husband who was a hundred miles away, and the police. I sat up in bed for the rest of the night caressing my little loaded pistol. There was no rest that night for the weary.

But the truth is, I am forever grateful that I had that little loaded pistol there with me that night and I was willing to use it, if I had had to.

Posted by Webutante at April 19, 2007 6:55 PM

Knowing how to shoot is a big help no doubt, but being willing to shoot is even more important. If you can't kill, then having a gun with you is the worst thing you can do.

There were tables in those class rooms, there were chairs. I expect there were all sorts of things that could've been thrown or swung or thrust at the gunman, but nobody thought to use them. If nothing else the human body is a deadly weapon, but people were more concerned with saving themselves than bringing him down.

That is normal human behavior. When you're not taught how to handle yourself in such situations you tend to go by instinct, and instinct tells you to save your ass.

Instinct that was also reinforced by our myths about firearms, and what we've been taught about resisting authority. Believe me, the man with the guns is the guy in charge. That's what we've been taught, and that's what we've accepted.

The only real answer to occasions such as this is to teach people how to take the initiative, how to act on their own to take down men like Cho. To kill be that the best way to stop the carnage. We can't rely on the authories to protect us, we must protect ourselves.

The authorities are not the solution to the problem, the authorities are the problem. We have placed too much faith in our authorities, and have lost the will to take responsibility for our own safety. Either we learn to take responsibility again, or we will lose even more freedoms.

Author S. M. Stirling is posting chapters from his new Emberverse trilogy up on his official website. In one there is a scene where one of the main characters has a vision. He has a vision of a farm at planting time. The planting is being done by simple creatures, happy creatures. Creatures who's ancestors were human, though they have fallen far from their former estate. They don't know of their once lofty place. They're not capable of knowing of it. They're also happy at what they do. Content and at peace. We're heading for such a future, a time when our descendents will by simple, happy creatures. When a dream will be forgotten and we shall produce nothig that will stand as a memorial to us, and a promise for the future. Do we want this? Or are we willing to make the sacrifices necessary to win our freedom?

Posted by Alan Kellogg at April 19, 2007 9:23 PM

Gerard, maybe you don't care to specify whether or not you are armed (with a gun) but you're always armed with the perfect words. Brilliant post, and sadly accurate I fear, as to the future of more massacres of the helpless at our schools.

I grew up in a family that believed and acted on the old saying "an armed society is a polite society." Our children, as they grew, slowly won the privileges of learning to respect, clean and care for, then ultimately load and shoot guns.

We are all quite polite. And quite deadly. Welcome to our company, sir.

Posted by askmom at April 20, 2007 6:18 AM

The murders at VT are a wake-up call to America. The police cannot protect you, and our so-called gun control laws only disarm the good guys. With luck, our 40 year experiment with victim disarmament will be shown for the cruel fallacy that it is. 38 states now practice shall issue concealed carry (including 2 which allow all citizens to practice CCW without any state permission whatsoever). Their experience is that CCW holders are more lawful than others, and that crime falls when criminals know that citizens have the legal means to resist them.

I have a dream, a dream that one day, the plain meaning of our Constitution's Second Amendment will be the law of the land from the Atlantic to the Pacific. I dream that the thousands of clearly unconstitutional "gun control" enactments (for they are only laws in the hands of our black robed masters) will be stricken down and repealed. We live in an imperfect world, but the first law of nature will not be denied. May the days when we insanely chose to give criminals advantage over our lives end soon.

Posted by RKV at April 20, 2007 6:26 AM

From an emailed comment:

Sir: I tried the "send" feature on your site and it didn't work. I got a page that said "can't find server". I mistakenly sent this in as a comment instead of an email . Please fix "send". I'd like to share your article with some friends even older than I am and therefore even less comfortable with computers.

I am a member of the Class of ' 62 at VPI. Almost every freshman was issued an M-1 rifle. There were no rules about students having guns/ammo . There was an indoor shooting range and a student gun club. The faculty adviser was the Physical Chemistry professor whose name escapes me now. He spent most of his time over at Radford Arsenal I believe. We heard thunder from that direction about every week. Nobody even made a joke about rain although we all had black umbrellas. When it did rain, the campus looked a bit British. When my mother saw that aspect of our campus life during her visit at my graduation,she cracked up with mirth. I never understood what struck her as funny. Her father worked at Georgia Tech so maybe it was a childhood memory. At that ceremony the graduate degrees were awarded by name and the recipients got to march across the stage, shake hands with the president of VPI, receive their diploma, etc. We lowly batchelors recipients were seated together, by department, in the bleachers (this took place in the football stadium). When your department was called by the Dean, its members were to stand up and wait. He forgot my department (Engineering Mechanics). WE weren't standing when he pronounced us to be vested. Maybe my claim to a degree is illigitimate.

I joined the NRA while I was at tech and became a life member in 1966 ( on the EZ payment plan). I think it was a good investment. I have met many very fine people through shooting that I would never have met otherwise. It takes some nerve to stand in front of God and everybody and miss. This gun free zone garbage is such stupidity. I know many people who probably would have stopped Mr. Cho's clock if a couple of them had happened to be in the first classroom that he attacked. If in the second or third room, alerted by the characteristic noise, you could change probably to certainly. The professors' offices are in the classroom buildings. It would be easily feasible to have a competent, armed adult on every floor of every class/lab building for significant portions of every day. The single entrance/ exit classroom is dangerous. Think of deliberately set fire, rather than guns. Add another door and/or lock the substantially made doors at the beginning of class as SOP. Drop the "gun free" nonsense and ballyhoo about concealed carry by the faculty and staff and legally qualified students instead. Be vague about quantity and location of these potential responders. I won't go on with this rant. I think you are part of the choir.

I hope you will become a participant rather than just be an observer of the gun culture's activities. Your first hand experience is not going to correlate with the MSM's claims and fears.
Sam Wilson

Posted by Gerard Van der Leun at April 20, 2007 7:52 AM

My favorite is the Glock 21. It is like shooting a .22 compared to my .357 Colt Python revolver. Some say you have to have large hands to use it, but I don't, and have no problem. Extremely accurate, and supposedly jam proof unless you use reloads or non-brass coated ammo which Glock states not to use. Check out the "Torture Test" below. Almost unbelievable, but my research shows that it checks out.

Posted by Brock Townsend at April 20, 2007 8:10 AM

I know that the socialists in this country can't help but to looked towards such "enlightened" places as Europe to help them in their goal of human castration. I believe the Netherlands is part of the grand "old Europe"(soon to be part of the new Islamic "Europistan").

While the VT massacre is unbelievably horrible, I note one smaller recent event in the wonderfully gun controlled EU:

(from wikipedia)

Mohammed Bouyeri assassinated van Gogh in the early morning of Tuesday, November 2, 2004, in Amsterdam, in front of the Amsterdam East borough office (stadsdeelkantoor) on the corner of the Linnaeusstraat and Tweede Oosterparkstraat, while he was bicycling to work. He shot him eight times with a HS 2000 (a handgun produced in 2000 in Croatia), and Van Gogh died on the spot. Bouyeri then cut van Gogh's throat, nearly decapitating him, and stabbed him in the chest. Two knives were left implanted in his torso, one attaching a five-page note to his body. The note (Text) threatened Western governments, Jews and Ayaan Hirsi Ali (who went into hiding). The note also contained references to the ideologies of the Egyptian organization Takfir wal-Hijra.
The killer, Mohammed Bouyeri, a 26-year-old Dutch citizen, was apprehended by the police after being shot in the leg. Although born in Amsterdam, well-educated and apparently well-integrated, Bouyeri has alleged terrorist ties with the Dutch Hofstad Network. He was also charged with the attempted murder of a police officer and bystander, illegal possession of a firearm, and conspiring to assassinate others, including Hirsi Ali. He was convicted on July 26, 2005 and sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole.
Imam Fawaz of the as-Sunnah Mosque in The Hague gave a sermon several weeks before the murder in which he called Theo van Gogh, "a 'criminal bastard' and beseech[ed] Allah to visit an incurable disease upon the filmmaker.[1]"

Remember: Big Brother and Sister are there to take care of all your needs for now on. That's what you pay all those taxes for. Vote Democrat at all times, only they can take proper care of you. Suck their teat from birth and all your worries will be addressed. All you need to do to see that this is true is to look at that wonderful city of New Orleans. See how the government took care to make sure everyone was safe as Hurricane Katrina approached that Democrat city and state. The mayor and governor knew just how to keep their citizens safe.

And if any "less that reasonable" (we can no longer call them bad) people cross your path, just call the authorities. They will respond as soon as they can. If you or your family get killed, robbed, or raped by the unreasonable person before the arrival of the authorities, be sure that everyone at least did "the best" that they could.

Posted by Jim from Occupied NY at April 20, 2007 1:27 PM

Mr. Van der Leun welcome aboard. Handgun skills are perishable. Practice, practice. Keep up the good work.

Posted by Devil Dog Dad at April 21, 2007 4:34 PM

I have a suggestion for the two people in the foreground, especially the hot blond. Ear protection. And the guy next to her? Decent eye protection as well.

Seriously, you only have two ears. If you were the only one at the range, I'd quibble, but not with a long lineup of shooters.

Posted by Paul A'Barge at April 24, 2007 3:09 PM

As you implied:

"An armed society is a polite society."

Posted by Noodle Ponderosa at April 25, 2007 7:04 PM

If you have a CCP and DON'T carry with you at all times, why in hell did you get it in the first place.

Practice from 21' and closer; anyone within the 21' zone can be on you in one second.

Hope you never have to use it for the moment of use will remain with you forever. Better you have those horrible memories than everyone you know is sending flowers.

Posted by Peccable at January 8, 2012 5:11 AM

I wrote a very long essay about this in 2002, reposted to my present site in 2008, "Civilization, Violence, Sovereignty and the Second Amendment: Why the right to keep and bear arms is the fundamental right of a sovereign people."

As has been said for a long time now, "gun control" isn't really about guns, it's about control. Yet, as A.E. van Vogt wrote in his classic SF series, "The right to buy weapons is the right to be free."

Posted by Donald Sensing at January 8, 2012 11:46 AM

Mr. Sensing - I've read Van Vogt too. However, what you carefully forget to mention is that in those books the Weapon Shops' merchandise could ONLY be used in self-defense.

Posted by Fletcher Christian at January 8, 2012 12:29 PM

Fletcher, I prefer Heinlein's dictum on this matter. "Place your clothing and weapons where you can find them in the dark."
He also wrote, "Be Wary Of Strong Drink. It Can Make You Shoot At Tax Collectors And Miss."

In a polite society, everyone is armed.

Posted by Peccable at January 8, 2012 1:51 PM

True, Fletcher, but self defense is what Gerard is talking about here, I think.

Posted by Donald Sensing at January 8, 2012 2:53 PM

Seems pertinent, linked by Glenn Reynolds:

Posted by Donald Sensing at January 8, 2012 2:54 PM

Saw that link by REynolds. Good call. Beat me to it.

Posted by vanderleun at January 8, 2012 4:25 PM

rexrs at April 19, 2007 7:52 AM
"...the body politic has answered with complete sensability by aquiring more firearms and carry permits...."

A completely sensibile body politic would be also acquiring more ammunition. Decide how much you'll need in a year, and then double it. As a start.

Devil Dog Dad at April 21, 2007 4:34 PM
"...Handgun skills are perishable. Practice, practice. Keep up the good work.

I agree entirely. While I don't carry every day, nor do I practice often enough myself, I am always reminded of the old axiom that says: "An amateur practices until he does something right. A professional practices until he can't do it wrong."

Posted by azlibertarian at January 8, 2012 4:41 PM

If you are able to carry. Carry. If not for your personal protection, then for someone near you.

That person may be a relative or someone who is a complete stranger. You are their potential saviour here on earth, at that moment.

Posted by Terry at January 9, 2012 12:04 PM

No, Terry, I disagree.

It should go without saying that I am willing to protect my family. We all have that instinct.

However, I draw the line at my need to protect a stranger. If it works out that I do, then I do. However, that stranger has the same ability to carry a CCW as I do, and I don't feel the need to protect a stranger who won't protect him/herself.

Posted by azlibertarian at January 9, 2012 6:29 PM

Great post!
...Funny how armed and polite go together.

Posted by monkeyfan at January 10, 2012 8:22 PM

In Iranian society today, the populace has been disarmed by the government. This same government is now imprisoning and torturing individuals and family members for the most banal acts (having the wrong haircut, listening to the wrong music etc.).

Since dissent is not permitted, and nobody but the government has any guns, citizens are reduced to going to the rooftops in the middle of the night, screaming "Death to the dictator!",and then scurrying back to their beds, hoping nobody noticed.

Good luck with that.

Posted by flannelputz at January 11, 2012 10:05 AM

Thank you for keeping and bearing arms.
I hope others will be inspired by your action, one way to find nationally standardized civilian training in North America is right here:

NRA's been at this for 200 years and originally started -to do training-. -Boyd

Posted by Boyd at January 12, 2012 6:58 AM

Fantastic. Breathtakingly well-said.

Why do I safely carry and train with a gun? Because I don't want my wife and kids to say, "If only..."

Posted by ExurbanKevin at January 12, 2012 10:15 AM

It is reassuring to see just how many good Americans above believe in the 2nd Amendment. You are my brothers and sisters and Mi casa, su casa.
But I would warn the author to think again about surrendering the truth to the swelling ranks of the PC crowd. They are already in the majority control of our best Colleges, Universities, TV news, press and Hollywood. Andrew Breitbart noted in his recent book Righteous Indignation, the Democratic Media Complex has seized control of the electronic battlefield and through control of the media has been dictating the American narrative for decades now. And those who write and speak what becomes American history-the American narrative- beware for it is they who control the future. And since children are people, and people become what they think about, (not what they are armed with) can there be any doubt that because you and I were afraid to speak truth to the lie, it will be our grown children who will speak the enemies truth to us one day? "Dad, Mom - times have changed and our generation has voted to outlaw guns. You must turn in your weapon." Now, not then, is the time to take a stand.

Being armed is back up. The first and most important weapon to arm ourselves with is truth, truth that can stand the tests of time. And if we DEFEND the GOD GIVEN right to the pursuit of life with liberty in AMERICA, I don't know about you but I believe that is also my best shot - no pun intended - at happiness. That's because I have also found the old truth that, "Ye shall know the truth and the truth - backed up by my glock, M - 15 and grand dad's old double barreled shot gun, hell it keeps me free!

Posted by Cousine Sam at January 15, 2012 4:23 PM

the message was good back then and it is better today. Thanks for this one Gerard.
My uncle Louie Lozko, we all called him "Letsgo Lozko", he raised bantam chickens.
Coming from Europe as he did he realized the importance of having arms for self-defense.
He didn't say it that way; he told me: "In a land of knives the one gun man is king."

Posted by chasmatic at September 8, 2014 4:35 AM

Being armed and trained is one of the most important things you can do for self protection and protection of others. Additionally, it can become a great hobby. Modern guns are well built, economical and fun to shoot. I agree with the above poster that hitting the bulls eye brings a smile to the face of the shooter. I even have my lifelong pacifist wife now shooting and she loves it. She got her cc permit and now feels empowered. By the way she is a grandmother.

Posted by tripletap at September 8, 2014 4:43 AM

"Too late to shop . . ."

When I was a battery commander, I always reminded my troops of the old adage, "You will not need your weapon at all until you suddenly need it very, very bad."

Posted by Donald Sensing at September 8, 2014 6:40 AM

I carry. The population of people of sound mind and body seems to be getting smaller. I feel a sense of responsibility to be one of the sheepdogs.

Posted by Christina M. at September 8, 2014 6:45 AM

I need to learn the lesson of keeping their happy world intact. There's no educating the hyper-educated any further.

Posted by StephenB at September 8, 2014 8:12 AM

Want to be ready when the need arises? These gentlemen served with my son in Special Forces for multiple tours. They are crowd-funding their business startup & can use your help. Their team always came back alive and whole despite having more fire fights than any team in theatre. That's a military theatre, not an Obama theatre. This training could save your life.

Posted by twolaneflash at September 8, 2014 12:32 PM

Thank you, Gerard.
Posted a link here at TTAG, h/t to you.

Posted by rlc2 at September 9, 2014 8:19 PM

When pressed, my two colleagues who object to allowing legal concealed carry at the small college where I work expressed fear of someone being accidentally shot. When I asked them why they feared the very low probability of being accidentally shot to the almost certain probability of being killed by a deranged shooter who chose the campus because of the certainty of finding unarmed victims, they were unable to answer. One just stared, mutely, and the other laughed in derision; neither said anything more. They live in their own imaginary world, filled with irrational fears, ignoring the reality of true evil, and the innocent die as a result.

Posted by wcrisler at September 11, 2014 9:34 AM