December 16, 2014

'There are so many children beneath the benches, go and get them' -- Pakistini Taliban attack school, kill 140+

Coming soon enough to a city near you. Because.... "it's judgment that defeats us."

132 children shot dead as Taliban gunmen storm military-run school in Peshawar in Pakistan The young boy described how, after they burst in shouting 'Allah-o-Akbar' - which means 'God is greatest' - one of them shouted: 'There are so many children beneath the benches, go and get them'.

He said: 'I saw a pair of big black boots coming towards me, this guy was probably hunting for students hiding beneath the benches.' Khan said he felt searing pain as he was shot in both his legs just below the knee. He decided to play dead, adding: 'I folded my tie and pushed it into my mouth so that I wouldn't scream. 'The man with big boots kept on looking for students and pumping bullets into their bodies. I lay as still as I could and closed my eyes, waiting to get shot again. 'My body was shivering. I saw death so close and I will never forget the black boots approaching me -- I felt as though it was death that was approaching me.'

Kurtz: I've seen horrors... horrors that you've seen.

But you have no right to call me a murderer. You have a right to kill me. You have a right to do that... but you have no right to judge me. It's impossible for words to describe what is necessary to those who do not know what horror means. Horror... Horror has a face... and you must make a friend of horror. Horror and moral terror are your friends. If they are not, then they are enemies to be feared. They are truly enemies! I remember when I was with Special Forces... seems a thousand centuries ago. We went into a camp to inoculate some children. We left the camp after we had inoculated the children for polio, and this old man came running after us and he was crying. He couldn't see. We went back there, and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried, I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out; I didn't know what I wanted to do! And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it... I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought, my God... the genius of that! The genius! The will to do that! Perfect, genuine, complete, crystalline, pure. And then I realized they were stronger than we, because they could stand that these were not monsters, these were men... trained cadres. These men who fought with their hearts, who had families, who had children, who were filled with love... but they had the strength... the strength... to do that. If I had ten divisions of those men, our troubles here would be over very quickly. You have to have men who are moral... and at the same time who are able to utilize their primordial instincts to kill without feeling... without passion... without judgment... without judgment! Because it's judgment that defeats us. Apocalypse Now (1979) - Quotes - IMDb

Posted by gerardvanderleun at December 16, 2014 1:35 PM
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"...far as the curse is found."

Ah, my heart. The curse is found whereso'er we look. Come, Lord Jesus.

Posted by: Joan of Argghh! at December 16, 2014 3:43 PM

Lots of condemnation and sad head-shaking over this evil act. What to do? You can't reason people out of a position that they did not arrive at by reason. And there is nothing to negotiate. As they see it, they are doing God's Will.

I'm all for peace, love and redemption. But some people just need killing. Wash, rinse, repeat as needed. Eventually, they will get the idea. Or there will not be enough of them to matter.

Now before you object, I'm not talking about nation building, reconstruction, or bringing Western democracy to anyone. And no, it's not a permanent solution. Think of like shooting rats at the dump. It's not going to end the rat problem, but you need to do it once and a while to bring it under control. You don't go and live in the dump. Just the occasional visit. Wash, rinse, and repeat as needed.

Posted by: SteveS at December 16, 2014 4:19 PM

A Pledge in the Ghetto

A grieving 5-year old promised her rabbit:
Don't cry, little one!
When the soldiers come to grab you
I won't leave you.
----- Thomas Orszag-Land

Posted by: Howard Nelson at December 16, 2014 5:29 PM

The other Kurtz had it right:

"All Europe contributed to the making of Kurtz; and by and by I learned that, most appropriately, the International Society for the Suppression of Savage Customs had intrusted him with the making of a report, for its future guidance. ... The peroration was magnificent, though difficult to remember, you know. It gave me the notion of an exotic Immensity ruled by an august Benevolence. It made me tingle with enthusiasm. This was the unbounded power of eloquence—of words—of burning noble words. There were no practical hints to interrupt the magic current of phrases, unless a kind of note at the foot of the last page, scrawled evidently much later, in an unsteady hand, may be regarded as the exposition of a method. It was very simple, and at the end of that moving appeal to every altruistic sentiment it blazed at you, luminous and terrifying, like a flash of lightning in a serene sky: ‘Exterminate all the brutes!’"

Posted by: Fat Man at December 16, 2014 5:41 PM

I weep...It reminds me.

Posted by: Patvann at December 16, 2014 6:15 PM

" You have to have men who are moral ... without judgement."
But morality is living by the judgements you make about right and wrong. There was a time, a place, a set of beliefs about good and evil, morality and immorality.
Kurtz, call it like it is: sadism.

To know what a person believes, observe what that person does. h/t Nisargadatta Maharaj.

Posted by: Howard Nelson at December 16, 2014 6:41 PM

The slaughter, intentional slaughter of innocents (especially children) is pretty much as low as a human can go.
Incredibly sad and infuriating, and we all feel for the children that died, the children that survived and who will live with this horror, and the families of all.
That said, Pakistan and their ISI at worst helped create, and at best has funded and given shelter to the Taliban (and of course has aided and sheltered Al Qaeda- where was Bin Laden killed?) for well over a decade.
This is the classic case of Frankenstein's monster coming back home.
I would hope that this would finally awaken the Pakistani people to the true threat, but I seriously doubt it.

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at December 16, 2014 8:30 PM

I'm pretty sure that killing every one of these Taliban and ISIS sons-of-bitches, their children and their families regardless of relation and then destroying their GD country doesn't fall under the purview of immorality. Matter of fact, it's probably the most moral thing that anyone could do.

And, when we finish with them, while our blood is still hot, it might do us all a lot of good to wrap up the much needed task of killing a bunch of sons-of-bitches here in the good old U.S.A.

Posted by: Jack at December 16, 2014 8:32 PM

These people are monsters. They are evil. I am reminded of what I have read about the rape of Nanking by the Japanese during the late 30's. The Japanese media even kept score of soldiers who had exceptional body counts of people killed, just like baseball scores. They were lauded as heroes. A culture not unlike Islam was inculcated throughout Japanese culture. The only route for redemption for the Japanese people was by stopping their ability to commit these atrocities. This was through a complete and systematic destruction of their ideology and their war making abilities. The same has to be done to to Islam.
Redemption of the Islamic world can only occur through the destruction of their ability to commit such atrocities.

Posted by: Bill Henry at December 16, 2014 8:42 PM

Anyone here ever been to Pakistan? I have. shithole doesn't even scratch the surface. That place is beyond shithole, far in excess of any shithole the Western, Christian mind can conceive. Hell, it's not even a real country! It's just a name, stuck onto a cesspool full of human filth and the hapless creatures being pulled by that filth down to the bottom. Pakistan is a made-up country, you know; history knows no "Pakistan", and there is, was, and never will be any such thing as a "native Pakistani". There are only tribes, and money, and drugs, and misery, stuck together by Islam into a fetid mass that can never and will never endure. Call it Yugoslavia East.

One time in Karachi, a lady walked up to me with a baby in her arms, crying and begging me for money for the baby. At first I thought the "baby" was some sort of doll, but as she got closer I looked closer and that's when I realized she was carrying no doll but an actual, mummified dead human baby, its face painted with cosmetics.

I ran and am still running today.

I am a Catholic, and I believe in Jesus, but I have to tell you in all honesty that if by some miracle every Muslim on the planet dropped suddenly dead I wouldn't feel a thing, and that's wrong, but it's honestly how I feel. I wish I didn't, but I do. I'd like for one day to go by, just one day, without having to think about those lunatics and wonder what nightmare they're cooking up next.

"But you can't tar all Muslims with the same brush! What about nice Mr. Dirkadirka down at the Schwarma Hut?" Well, what about him? He's nice now, but what about tomorrow? Do you think he'd be nice if his kind were numerous enough to call the shots, or if someone in your town were to do something for which the Prophet demands death? That same nice, friendly guy at the schwarma stand today might slit your kid's throat tomorrow. We certainly didn't mind tarring the Japanese in America with the same brush -- and for far, far less than American Muslims have done.

"Nice" Muslims? Sure, there are nice Muslims. There were plenty of nice people in the Cheka, the NKVD, the SS and the Ustase, too. No, counting on the niceness of Muslims is like tiptoeing past the devil.

God help us. How can we fight an enemy that God won't allow us to hate?

Posted by: Shibes Meadow at December 16, 2014 9:47 PM

And God was grieved that He made man ...

Posted by: GrayBbee at December 17, 2014 2:17 AM

Folks, as unpleasant as it may appear, going against spiritual principles that I and many others espouse in Christianity, the only solution for the Muslim threat is to kill every last one of them, their families, their friends, their neighbors; to lay waste to their crop lands and salt their wells, to destroy their buildings such that no two stones lay atop one another.
The justification, if one is needed, is that the Muslims are Evil. Whether we are spiritual or worldly, believers or atheists, young, old, gay or straight, male or female, White or Black, or any other combination of the above, the paradigm in which we all repose dictates that some things are good, some bad, and some Evil.

Instead of cowering and hoping that it won't happen near us we should be fire-bombing Baghdad and other concentrations of Muslim terrorists. Can't find 'em? Enlarge the target area.

Posted by: chasmatic at December 17, 2014 6:28 AM

You can't kill that which resides only in the mind.

Shibes outlined it.
It is a religion, and in some people their minds can be converted by that religion. If you kill all the believers but the religion continues more believers will occur.

I think the best you can do is try to safeguard yourself, at all times and in all ways. You can't save everybody.

Posted by: ghostsniper at December 17, 2014 6:32 AM

+1 Ghostsniper.

You can't wipe out an ideal. You can make the people in charge, who know better, fearful though.

Posted by: Bradoplata (@bradoplata) at December 17, 2014 9:25 AM

to Ghostsniper:
Wrong... islam is not a religion. It is a militaristic, expansionist, totalitarian political system disguised as a religion. There is only one true religion and one God - the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The rest are gutter or pagan religions.

As far as loving everyone so we can't hate musloids - wrong again. We must not aggress against others (Nature's Law by Nature's God) but we most certainly must defend ourselves from those who aggress against us.

Peace does not happen when war is avoided. Peace is what happens when the good guys win.

Bottom Line: pick a side - God's side is goodness, mercy, and love. Satan's side is evil, strife, despair, and death.

There... that wasn't so difficult, was it?

Posted by: J Goodplayer at December 17, 2014 11:27 AM

This is depressing talk. Christmas is a week away, and we're talking about whatever it is that's beyond genocide.

This is why people find it so hard to be Christians: because you're not allowed to do the Obvious Thing.

G-sniper's right. All we can do is guard our own and trust God to handle the rest. But, given the President that's in power and the pope we've got...

May Our Lady of Victory bring us to our own Lepanto.

Posted by: Shibes Meadow at December 17, 2014 4:26 PM

I chose the word Evil to describe the enemy which threatens the world. There is a moral, perhaps spiritual paradigm assumed.
Can there be any doubt that the followers of Islam do harm to all other people?
This is not a domestic problem. No need for the societal remedies like public executions or racial segregation and control.
Every country contends with its own troubles, like racism, poverty, over-population, degenerated morals. Let each country deal with their troubles as they see fit.
On a global scale, the Evil ones are the Muslims: radical, conservative, wishy-washy, Westernized, all variations that hold the Koran as their holy book.
Some may be found in our country but the problem is on a world scale and any peoples harmed by the Muslims must come together to fight the foe.
The remedy to the damage and destruction, the murder most foul and the barbaric actions of Muslims can only be met with a force strong enough to overcome once and for all that which threatens all others.
Death sudden, overwhelming, final, no hesitation, and thorough by whatever means will accomplish the end result — elimination of the Evil.

Posted by: chasmatic at December 17, 2014 10:49 PM

Just as a reminder, there is a "third way" between defensive fear and "Islam delenda est". We in Christendom acheived a decent level of containment from the 1680s through World War I, by simply being a robust, fearless, dynamic civilization.
Our navies ruled the seas, our dirigibles(?) ruled the skies, and we colonized the benighted and demon-haunted world. The moslems knew what awaited them if they stepped out of line, because punishment was swift, certain, and brutal.
I don't know if we can ever regain that wonderful civilization, but it's worth keeping in mind that it's possible, and all of those tools remain in our toolbox, should we but choose to pick them up again.

Posted by: The Hammertoss at December 18, 2014 2:14 PM