October 4, 2015

Unbelief and Its Consequences: "God gave them over"


22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them.

25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,

27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper,

29 being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, 30 slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents,

31 without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful;

32 and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.

Romans 1:24-32

Posted by gerardvanderleun at October 4, 2015 10:39 AM
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"It is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood." -- Karl Popper N.B.: Comments are moderated and may not appear immediately. Comments that exceed the obscenity or stupidity limits will be either edited or expunged.

The most important point to understand with these verses is that if you insist on being your own diety---not subsuming your will to that of God---He will let you suffer the consequences. In reality, there is only one sin--being your own deity. All other commandments are mere examples of how terribly you can go wrong when you don't let God lead, and put your own desires first.

This is the actual reason the Jews originally believed sexual perversion was a sin. In fact, everything the church believes is a sin is a sin against the First Commandment. "Gotta remind people of that.

Posted by: ahem at October 4, 2015 11:13 AM

Amen, ahem.

"He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.”

John 3:36

Posted by: Denny at October 4, 2015 11:36 AM

The Word of God is reasonable (ie if you put your mind to what he says we ought to do, it makes sense)

There was a guy I know who was observing, along with a friend, observing one of the most ugly, 'loser' types of a guy walking in a loving embrace of a very gorgeous woman. He said (wiht a sigh) to his friend "Life is not Fair" and his friend responded "I'm glad its not fair"

What is 'fair'?

Well ... there is a variety of times where all of us have cut corners, done little things for our own personal benefit/gain or have done things that were not nice at all and yet we got away with it. Had each of us got our 'Just Desserts' right the and there - every time - we wouldn't be where we are today, probably.

For a Loving God who sees all, he withholds his wrath time and time again for a wisdom that is beyond us men. Mercy... to a level and patience that is beyond us men.

The quality of mercy is not strain'd,
It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him that gives and him that takes:
'Tis mightiest in the mightiest: it becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God's
When mercy seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
Though justice be thy plea, consider this,
That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation: we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to render
The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
To mitigate the justice of thy plea;
Which if thou follow, this strict court of Venice
Must needs give sentence 'gainst the merchant there.

— The Merchant of Venice, Act 4, Scene 1

I would think, in the vein of what I am writing now, the "Wrath of God" is merely a withholding of Gods Mercy upon us.

Posted by: cond0011 at October 4, 2015 11:37 AM

Gerard -- Wow! This is such a powerful message. It answers so many questions about the state of our nation and our world -- especially now. Up is down, in is out, wrong is right. So many have been given over to their own devices and we glimpse the truly depraved state of natural man without God.

So many thanks again!

Your sister,

Posted by: AbigailAdams at October 4, 2015 7:38 PM


"so yes this is LITERALLY the 600-years-old butt song from hell"

Posted by: Leslie at October 4, 2015 9:36 PM

Ecclesiastes 9 AKJ

4 - For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion.
5 - For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Posted by: chasmatic at October 5, 2015 8:05 AM

The Bible specifically says in this passage that sometimes, eventually, God punishes people by giving them what their sinful and corrupt hearts desires.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 5, 2015 8:31 AM

It's still all about free will.
Humans can choose freely; and either suffer the consequences or reap the rewards of their choice.

Posted by: Mr. G at October 5, 2015 2:47 PM