October 29, 2014

[UPDATED] Anchors Aweigh and to the side

The Lockheed Martin-led industry team launched the nation's seventh Littoral Combat Ship into the Menominee River on Saturday, Oct. 18, 2014. The future LCS Detroit was formally christened prior to her launch by Mrs. Barbara Levin.


"Side-launches are always interesting because of the drop; and the ship is always light being launched. The ship gets most of its equipment and weight after launch, in fitting-out. Many steamships would not have the boilers fitted during launch, those would be lowered in afterwards. So "ohmigosh it rolls" is normal.* What these corvettes will be able to do - heck, I don't know. I don't think anyone can say for certain. I do know, however, that I am looking forward to her commissioning.**
*There are a lot of videos of side-launches and they are really dramatic - as in standing directly across a narrow water from one is a good way to take a bath! I think there is one of launching the new USCGC Mackinaw that shows the wave going across to spectators.
**I do surface patrols for the USCG Auxiliary, most in the Detroit River, and as USS Detroit is to be commissioned in Detroit, I am looking forward to those security patrols for the fun and the photos.
PS: I remember back in the late 1970's-early 1980's how many commenters said the advanced tech US and NATO allies equipment would break down and be unusable if the Soviets invaded and other equipment should be bought, and so on. And then, after Gulf War I, all that talk went away as the US and NATO equipment held up and did what it was advertised to do. Now when I hear complaints about something I keep a salt cellar on hand because I really do not know enough to know how something will turn out. I lost my sure belief in my correctness."
Comment by Michael Jorris

Posted by gerardvanderleun at October 29, 2014 11:38 AM
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LCS Detroit.

Ominously prophetic considering the kinds of changes the Democrats have been enacting the last 6 years.

Posted by: Cond0011 at October 28, 2014 12:05 PM

I was on the USS Taylor, DD468, a Fletcher class destroyer (2100 tons) during Vietnam and that ship is larger than the Taylor.

Posted by: Ray at October 28, 2014 12:13 PM

These LCS ships are the F-35s of the Navy. Overpriced boondoggles that do more to support the builder than accomplish missions. As long as they will be used in laboratory conditions by the same technicians that assembled these animals all will be well.

Posted by: Scott M at October 28, 2014 1:02 PM

"Overpriced boondoggles"! That is exactly what the Polish Calvary officers were saying about tanks just before Hitler invaded. We don't need no stupid overpriced tanks we have horses and our swords...

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 28, 2014 1:56 PM

And what will the Lightbringer, the Nobel Peace Prize winner do with such a vessel? Use it to help diseased invaders make it safely to our shores? Patrol the waters of the Red Sea to protect members of the religion of peace during the hajj?

Until this country develops a new understanding of self defense, better to sink it where it launched. They can set right to work on another. After all, it will provide the same benefit as the first one, massive enrichment of political cronies.

A man with an AR-15 who knows what to do with it and why he's doing it is much more valuable to this country than an LCS or F-35 commanded by politicians without the slightest clue about what they are doing and how to do it.

Posted by: Milo Galt at October 28, 2014 2:07 PM

The whole class has a date with destiny.

Probably a RIMPAC. Not as shooters.

Posted by: TmjUtah at October 28, 2014 2:55 PM

Didja see that boat rock? Not a blue-water design. It's gonna suck for those sailors when they hafta cross the ocean to the far side of the world. They'll all be on the taffrail heaving their guts the whole way. And then suck some more when they get to cruise up some third-world sewage river and take RPG's and mortars every mile.

What the heck happened to us? How could we have built such an obviously bloody useless tub? Might as well sail it straight to Gadani beach and sell it to the Pakis.

Posted by: John A. Fleming at October 28, 2014 3:28 PM

WE didn't, THEY did.

Posted by: ghostsniper at October 28, 2014 5:15 PM

Hey, they successfully fired the Konigsburg Strike Missile off the USS Coronado (an LCS).
Here's the story from cdrsalamander:
"All that happened was they loaded a missile on a truck. They drove it to the pier. They put it (the truck) on the flightdeck of the LCS and utilizing a laptop disconnected from the ship's combat systems and launched it. All the guidance and tracking was done off-board."

Battle ready!

Posted by: ed in texas at October 28, 2014 5:36 PM

The Lcs is little more than Gary Hart and Pat Schroeder's right-sized navy, but loaded with as much expensive gear as LockMart can manage. We don't fight to win wars so we build gear to play in the quasi-war.

Posted by: Scott M at October 28, 2014 6:28 PM


Looks kind of slick (cryptic meaning).

Posted by: Casey Klahn at October 28, 2014 7:33 PM

Can't possibly ride worse than the old USS DeSoto County, LST 1171. 410 ft, 8000 tons, flat bottomed and would rock and roll tied up to the pier.

Posted by: tripletap at October 29, 2014 4:39 AM

Haze gray and underway. Nice to see, even though she is named for the formerly great city. I can only imagine what the new social justice crew will look like, though. I've heard some stories, they were not encouraging.

Posted by: Will at October 29, 2014 6:38 AM

What....they didn't crew it with some cripps and bloodts?

Posted by: Jack at October 29, 2014 7:34 AM

Comments are funny as hell. But it's true, anything associated with our current ruling class is a joke. Everything Obungo puts his hands on turns to sh!t. We can't spend it fast enough.

Posted by: Frogdaddy at October 29, 2014 8:19 AM

These ships are underrated, the have great strategic and tactical value. Their firepower exceeds the firepower of our entire WW II navy. Just one of these ships could destroy any country on earth or with pinpoint accuracy destroy a single target anywhere on earth. They are fast, maneuverable and have extensive defensive capability from enemy attack. They can funtion well entirely alone or can be a valuable adjunct to a carrier fleet. They are perfect for the smaller "ponds" in the greater Middle East and everywhere on this blue planet. Either our military planners are getting smarter or luckier because these ships may turn out to be the greatest deterrent in the 21st century.

Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at October 29, 2014 1:43 PM

Ok, Michael Jorris, but I'm not stupid and I already knew that. Before I wrote my previous comment I thought about all that, and I carefully examined the video to see if what I was about to write makes sense. Look carefully at the end. The boat is sitting at its designed water line, so it is not empty. And also notice that the cradles the keel was ensconced in remain attached to the boat. So there was additional righting moment (which would increase the rolling rate), but the cradles also created additional drag, which would damp both the roll rate and the overshoot. So it remains my contention that we saw a reasonably accurate video of the rolling motion of that ship when in a seaway.

That ship is not designed for blue water. But since we are not going to use it on our own people (???), it's going to the far side of the world to a pesthole, where they just love love love making us look like stupid foolish rich saps by breaking our hi-tech weaponry with stone knives and bearskins and dirt cheap Russian mortars and RPGs.

Posted by: John A. Fleming at October 29, 2014 9:57 PM

As long as it stays in sight of shore it should do OK.
Consider the shoreline that has been designated as "Border Zone".

Think: guns facing in, not out.

Posted by: chasmatic at October 29, 2014 10:24 PM

Crips and Bloods, Why not? Remember that story about Chris Kyle and the team boys on the flat-top? I can see that happening. It was already toxic forty years ago, I can only imagine how messed up it must be now. I was thinking more along the lines of...third generation Muslim Brotherhood, Annapolis '08, first command, hard butch XO, crew eighty percent sympathetic...

Posted by: Will at October 30, 2014 6:29 AM