April 7, 2004

American Moron of the Day

THE COVETED DROOL CUP OF THE DAY has been awarded to Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation. Ms. Gaylor, it seems, is feeling testy about all this admiration of the Pope that's been going on. According to the Wisconsin State Journal

A Madison secular organization is protesting Gov. Jim Doyle's order to fly flags at half-staff at public buildings all week to remember Pope John Paul II.

The gesture "appears like an endorsement of Roman Catholicism over other religious viewpoints," said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation.

Gaylor said her organization would have looked the other way if the order had been for just Friday - the day of the pope's funeral - instead of all week.

"This seems excessive," she said. "Not everyone in the country is Roman Catholic, and (the pope's) not even American."

"Not everyone in the country is Roman Catholic..." Gee, do you think?

"The Pope's not even American." Really? Who knew?

It sort of makes you wonder whatever happened to that all-American expression, "Oh, put a sock in it!"

As opposed to John Paul II, Ms. Gaylor's lifetime achievements include:

Annie Laurie was on her first feminist picketline at age 14. Her most recent activism included spearheading, with her mother, the movement to keep the "Forward" statue, a monument dedicated to women, outside the Wisconsin State Capitol where it has been for a century, which included collecting more than 6,000 signatures. She is also co-chair of the Feminist Caucus of the American Humanist Association, which bestows an annual 'Humanist Heroine' award at AHA conferences. --Annie Laurie Gaylor
She's also committed a few books graciously published by her own organization after real publishers remained blind to their merits, and "consented to have her picture taken with Isaac Asimov, at the New Jersey FFRF chapter "winter solstice banquet," 1985, where both of them were speakers."

Her paycheck, such as it is, comes from a group whose "Legal Accomplishments" are listed as:

All in all, a rich life next to which the ending of Communism and the bringing of freedom to millions across the world surely pales.

Drool cups on the house to Ms. Gaylor and her cohort at "The Freedom from Religion Foundation."

Posted by Vanderleun at April 7, 2004 3:17 PM
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This woman is seriously afraid of religion, and horribly insecure as well. Her impact on the world is in what she destroys, not creates. Pitiful.

Posted by: Bill at April 7, 2005 7:40 PM


Posted by: Stephen B at April 7, 2005 8:46 PM

She started such silliness when she was 14? What a waste of a life. Sheeeeesh.

Posted by: Miss O'Hara at April 8, 2005 7:21 AM

My late father -- an atheist to the core -- was fond of saying that we were entitled to freedom from religion as much as of religion.

I'm an agnostic, and I interpret freedom "from" religion to simply mean that I am not obligated by the state to worship in any way, shape, or form. For this I am grateful to my country and its founders. I do not interpret it as the banishment of all religious symbols and practices from my sight.

The notion of making life more pleasant for the neurotic few at the expense of the majority intrudes not just in matters of religion, but also issues of health, entertainment, literature, education, and humor. America, the land of "The Pursuit of Happiness," does not deserve to have most of it's citizens feeling miserable.

Posted by: Roderick Reilly at April 8, 2005 9:30 AM

Ronald Reagan was a Protestant. Did she whine about the flags at half staff then? Of course not, it would be terribly stupid to implicate all of the accomplishments of a great man by his religion.

Posted by: Old Dad at April 8, 2005 9:51 AM

The Vatican is a nation, and John Paul II as the leader of this nation helped to defeat an enemy of the United States. Lowering the flag on the occasion of the death of a foreign dignitary is both legal and appropriate. Ms. Gaylor doesn't understand the protocol and is using the occasion of the death of the Pope to express her anti-religious bigotry, which she pursues as a career.
When communism was defeated it drastically reduced the number of oppressive regimes friendly to the mission statement of the FFRF. I guess Ms. Gaylor is just sore at the loss of franchise.

Posted by: Dan Lacey at April 9, 2005 10:49 PM

Sorry, my post might not have the dramatic flair of some of the earlier ones, but here it is:

Mrs. Gaylor's reaction to the half-mast flying of the flag was a little weird.

But I think it's worth looking at the greater ideas she is trying to espouse. You know, trying to understand what she's getting at before simply thinking atheist = evil/bad/must kill.

"Free thought" is how we make advances in our understanding of the world/universe and express our differences. Dogmatic religious tendencies should never be allowed to influence government policy the way they have in the US. It's time the US climbs out of the delusional stone age and takes notes from more mature, non-theist democracies. It doesn't exactly have much of a moral high-ground when you look at its history.

Albert Ford, Pennsylvania

Posted by: Albert Ford at July 27, 2005 12:24 AM

It is the reason our nation is going in the wrong direction...having people like this...who are really out for money that can be derived from a "foundation". This is all that I believe this poor lost child is about. I Pray for the Salvation of Annie. I wish she would listen to the song by Petra called ..."It's too late for Annie", especially the last line, it's Not too late for Annie. She could be using her talents to uplift this nation instead of destroying its foundations.

Posted by: Warren at November 11, 2005 9:42 AM

Some people just don't get it and never will. That appears to include most to the posters here.

Ms. Gaylor has helped preserve our freedom of religion by working to maintain the principle that governmenet stays away from it. Despite the considerable propaganda to the contrary, the U.S. was quite deliberately founded as a secular nation (and most of the Founding Fathers were Deists -not Christians), in large part to preserve the right of the individual to not only believe and practice beliefs as he or she wishes, but also to protect us from being required to support belief systems we personally don't have; thus the need to not support the faith-based initiative with our taxes if the recipient is using those funds in an evangelical manner.

I am curious, what nation did the Vatican help us defeat? Certainly no Nazi germany, helping the war criminals to flee.

"My religion is to do good" --Thomas Paine

Posted by: Rober Beltran at June 25, 2007 12:41 PM

As a fundamentalist Christian of 43 yrs (now a 46 yr old atheist) I really like Annie Laurie Gaylor and wish I had heard about her and read her writings years ago. It's a shame that her organization has to publish her works; her writings should be accessible in the mainstream.....so much for that liberal media eh. Those of you who lambast her should try listening to her first at www.ffrf.org They have a radio program on once a week and you can access it via the internet (you sure can't get it on the a.m. radio or on television) the evangelical reich has those venues "locked up" tight. They know which side their bread is buttered on $$$.

Posted by: Sandra in Nebraska at July 28, 2007 9:04 AM

I don't have a problem with people choosing to believe in atheism, which is just another religion, but what I do have a problem with is bigotry, and the attacking or belittling of others beliefs, which is what Ms Gaylor and other "activist" atheists tend to do. Unfortunately, many so-called Christians can also be bigoted in a very similar way, of other peoples' religious beliefs. Characteristics of this attitude include the following: condemning an entire belief system based on what a few "bad apples" do, looking only for the negative and choosing to ignore the positive, taking a "know-it-all", arrogant, condescending attitude towards those who don't believe as you do, and just automatically assuming that they are deluded and don't "think for themselves". A truly wise person, one who truly "thinks for themselves", is one who is humble and willing to learn from others, willing to believe and appreciate the good in others, willing to recognize goodness in general, willing to try to understand and appreciate the deeply held beliefs of others with empathy. One can do that while still maintaining strong beliefs and ideas. One can also be an athiest and still appreciate the good that traditional world religions, including others as well as Christianity and Judaism, do and have done throughout history. Just like any other good thing in the world, any religion can be used by bad people for their own selfish purposes. Yet to focus on that and totally ignore all the good that traditional religions have done in the world is horribly shortsighted, and in doing so, shows that one is very selective about what one believes. Is that free-thought, or is it simply selective thought. Everyone chooses what one wants to believe. I can be tolerant of atheists as with any other religion not my own. What I am not tolerant of is when people attack or belittle the beliefs of others and/or fail to appreciate the good in them and focus only on the bad. The only exceptions to this should be in obvious cases such as "bad" religions where people are encouraged to commit serious crimes or are forced against their will to commit such. To the "activist" atheists: if you would take the time and effort to try to appreciate all the good that Judeo-Christian tradition has done and continues to do for our country, you wouldn't try and "expunge" every last bit of seeming government "endorsement" of Judeo-Christian tradition from our society, and simply let these things alone. Why stir up trouble and animosity, wasting public funds and time, over such piddly things which at worst don't cause any real harm, and which at best might actually help some people to feel more comfort and peace? Time and money should be spent or more pressing things such for the betterment of society such as the strengthening of the family unit, which is in dire straits and is a reflection of the overall health of our culture.

Posted by: at November 5, 2007 12:44 PM

Annie, I will pray for you because your life is empty and meaningless. Your heart is cold and callous and that is shown through your actions. You are listening to the father of lies. Seek the light of Jesus and he will free you from your bondage and give you peace. He will restore you to the great creation he intended you to be.


Posted by: at December 13, 2007 6:36 PM

What is this "atheism is just another religion" theme about? It makes as much sense to say "Eating chicken is just another form of vegetarianism" Someone needs to google "logical fallacy"...

Scott M

Posted by: Scott M at April 10, 2008 1:12 PM

Gaylor is a piece of garbage period. She is trying to convert people to NOT believe in god. She should pack her bags and get her sorry ass out of the USA. Let her go do this crap in Iran or Muslim countries.
It is sad that she has nothing better to do than find fault and sue, this is one sick bitch.

Posted by: Jack at July 18, 2009 7:11 AM

I have seen and met so many wonderful Christian people and they seem to be able to handle tragic times because of their religion. THEN THERE IS YOU! You ought to be ashamed of yourself wasting your life with atheism. Atheism brings immorality and crime.

I dont assume that I am a devote believer of everything but I do believe in other things and it makes me feel good to believe in the serenity and warmth that christianity brings to me especially when I need it.

I PITY you and your children who need some form of religion or spirituality in their little lives. I've seen people who were dying and those that believed (call it what you will) seem to accept death in an easier way than those like you who dont, have a difficult time in accepting death. Leave the christians alone to their rights of faith and get on with your own
life. Why are you trying SO HARD to destroy something that makes people feel better about their lives in bringing themselves HOPE. You are a very selfish and uneducated person. You dont have to believe in anything, but WHY are you trying so hard to disturb what is centuries old and much of it is documented! Read your history on religion.
Dont you think we have enough problems in this world without you causing more and that is exactly what you are trying to do. Is it POWER you are searching for? Does it make you feel good to try to degrade something that is centuries old. what is the purpose of your quest???Get a life.

Posted by: Elizabeth at December 21, 2009 10:23 PM

Knowing that many things will never change, I've learned to chuckle as I continue my own struggle to change those things that I can. For example, I chuckle at the individual who knows that Mrs Gaylor is in it for the money. This from a person whom I suspect doesn't know Annie Laurie Gaylor. Well, I do know Annie Laurie Gaylor. I don't know her like a roommate, to be sure, but we've met a few times and have conversed by electronic means on many occasions. Annie Laurie Gaylor is not about money, except to make a living. Ms Gaylor is about her family and her work. Okay, I have known atheistic activisits who were in it for the money. The most obvious sign is an almost incessant repetition of the phrase, "Duh-eee, Which way did he go, George? Which way did he go?" In other words, anybody who would try to make money by promoting atheism is not utilizing a full deck.

I won't bore you with my similar feelings toward the person who calls Gaylor "horribly insecure."

Okay, just one thing -- but that's it: experience has shown me that the more extreme the emphasis (eg, *seriously* afraid; *horribly* insecure) the more likely I am, on investigation, to find problems with what's being emphasized. I just haven't known truth to need extreme emphasis like this.

I laugh at the person who thinks that atheism is itself a religion. Atheism is the very *absence* of religion (unless you the ol' switcheroo with the dictionary definition, applying one meaning to real religion and the other to atheism). The same individual asks why we should be concerned about "such piddly things." Okay, if our country's endorsement of religion on our money is a "piddly little thing," then nobody should mind if we get rid of it, right? Y'all have had your way for fifty years, let's let the money be advertisement-free for the next fifty years. No one will mind, will they? Most of the money spent more than 150 years without it.

And what about this? What if I simply got tired of the school system squashing my right to be the only one who teaches my child about religion, and I sued to have "Under God" removed from the Pledge she is forced to recite every morning (because atheists, not being religious, cannot duck out on religious grounds)? This is another one of those "piddly little things," isn't it? Two words? Try this test: Pick up any phone book in the US. I *promise* you that there are more pages listing churches than there are listing pizza joints -- even in atheistic Oregon! What I'm saying is that people can get all the religion they want. All I want is avoid religion's influence because I think religion teaches an unhealthy outlook and therefore would like my children to be as free from its influence as possible. You wouldn't want your kids exposed to pornography, would you? I feel the same way about the ideas taught by religion. Besides, nobody would have a problem with the removal of these two "piddly" little words, right?

Okay, I've had my fun for the day, and I thank those who inspired these chuckles. I am glad that our country doesn't simply tolerate such people but fully and aggressively accepts them as integral parts of what makes this country tick. For this I do not laugh, I flat-out rejoice!!

After all, the man who coined the phrase, "The United States of America," also wrote,

Toleration [tolerance] is not the *opposite* of intolerance but the *counterfeit* of it. Both are despotisms: the one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, the other of granting it.
-- Thomas Paine, *The Rights of Man*

Posted by: Cliff at January 26, 2010 2:04 PM

You folks play nice down here in 2005. Thanks.

Posted by: vanderleun at January 26, 2010 2:37 PM

please pray for all free thinkers.
as this is all you have been taught.
i don't need your prayer, sympathy or or compassion.
if there is (or ever was) a god i will be happy to face him. but none of you can produce a single shred of evidence that he ever existed beyond blind faith. you lack the guts to stand on your own feet and require an easy out to why you are not responsible for your actions. the most un-ethical people i have known are deeply religious/ honest christians. these are descriptions they gave me, not b.s. i applied. all i ask of god is that i am allowed to be there on their judgement day!
i don't agree with everything from ffrf, but at least it's honest. there's not a single religion in the world that is that honest. they all have agendas and paint the picture to their advantage.
so you whiners that want to pick on ms. gaylor need to grow up, be honest with yourself ( that will be a first) and live in reality, not the pretend world religion allows you to believe is real.

Posted by: tim at February 2, 2010 10:02 PM

Can you please be more inarticulate?

Posted by: vanderleun at February 3, 2010 7:32 AM

Whoever wrote this article is an idiot. Whether you agree with her or not, she has a constitutional right to express her thoughts. Thats it, case closed. And people wonder why no one likes catholics. Thats all they can do is bully women and children.

Posted by: so at February 20, 2010 10:34 PM

Catholic? Moi? I suggest you spend ten hours in your room pounding sand until you mind clears.

Posted by: vanderleun at February 20, 2010 10:43 PM

Bill (12-13-2007), while it's great for you to pray for Annie, I'm pretty sure the only thing your words above are going to do is drive her further from the truth. You're showing concern in a very uncaring way. Unfortunately I think this is where many Christians go wrong; we need to show love, and telling someone their life "is empty and meaningless...[and their] heart cold and callous" (while true) is not showing love. With that said, it's true that Satan is the father of lies. I think one of his best weapons is the misunderstanding of Christianity. He wants people to see Christianity as nothing more than "another religion," or even more effective, an outdated religion. The kicker is that Christianity (the group that follows Jesus), is NOT a religion. Religion involves doing good works (in various forms) in order to obtain some ultimate goal (eternal life, higher reincarnation, etc.). In Christianity (and therefore in life), good works have no effect on salvation; the ONLY way to be saved is to confess Jesus as Lord and ask to be forgiven. "Good works," such as helping those in need and so on, naturally follow as one grows closer to God. Their real purpose is to serve in leading others to God. Anyway, I do truly hope and pray that God will work in Annie's life to bring her to realize the truth, which can set her free.

Posted by: Matt at June 3, 2010 5:10 AM