September 11, 2015

9/11 conspiracies debunked by explosives expert/firefighter

Pass this along.

Posted by gerardvanderleun at September 11, 2015 3:06 PM
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This is a truly pathetic "debunking" effort.

Massive evidence of controlled demolition still exists for all 3 towers. We don't know WHO was involved, but somebody definitely prepped those buildings before the planes got there.


Rapid onset of destruction,
Constant acceleration at or near free-fall through what should have been the path of greatest resistance,
Numerous eyewitness accounts of explosions including 118 FDNY personnel,
Lateral ejection of multi-ton steel framing members distances of 600 feet at more than 60 mph,
Mid-air pulverization of 90,000 tons of concrete, and large volumes of expanding pyroclastic-like dust clouds,
Isolated explosive ejections 20 to 60 stories below the “crush zone,”
Total destruction and dismemberment of all three buildings, with 220 floors each an acre in size missing from the Twin Towers’ debris pile,
Several tons of molten steel/iron found in the debris piles,
Evidence of thermite incendiaries on steel beams,
Nanothermite composites and iron microspheres found in WTC dust samples.

Posted by: Fred Farkle at September 11, 2015 4:06 PM

My apologies for the double posting.

Posted by: Fred Farkle at September 11, 2015 4:09 PM

A colonized mind is a terrible thing to paste.

Posted by: Van der Leun at September 11, 2015 5:52 PM

Van der Leun: An ad hominum comeback does not a persuasive argument make.

The real fools, unfortunately many otherwise cognizant individuals, simply know nothing of physics, nothing of chemistry, and critical thinking. This is an apt description of those who ignore evidence (Building 7 anyone?) to the contrary to the mental construct to which they cathect.

They, as you, could never be good scientists.

Explain A...explain B...explain C...nothing, only the carefully constructed language in this 'report' (good for laughs when deconstructing the use of words).

When the engineer/president of one of the largest steel building constructors (international) in the world tells me face-to-face that he cannot explain any of the structural failures of the incident, I'm inclined to believe that there was something very wrong with the 'official' explanation...a fabrication of falsehoods, distortions, and intentional ignorance of an unprecedented scope.

There is no cure for intentional can't teach s**t-for-brains dif-calc, and you can't open the closed-minded when they can't learn to question an obviously faulty premise.

Posted by: K. Jack Chleva at September 11, 2015 6:36 PM

Good god, the undying morons have returned to haunt the living.

Posted by: chuck at September 11, 2015 7:54 PM

I neglected to add an incidental piece of information provided by a military doctor (now in private practice) of my acquaintance who was one of the first on the scene at the Pentagon 'event'. He privately stated that he was always 'troubled' (his words, not mine) by the total lack of body parts at the scene of the Pentagon 'event'. None.

No contrary opinion here to the 'official conspiracy theory' (love that pejorative--as if the inclusion in a statement negates or obviates any subsequent statement), just an anecdotal observation from someone who was there and noticed one of the number of inconsistencies that do not add up.

As Ayn Rand wrote, "If you encounter an inconsistency, re-examine your premises."

Posted by: K. Jack Chleva at September 11, 2015 7:57 PM

To place the explosives to demolish the buildings would require many man hours of work placing the explosives. These buildings were watched day and night by the security forces put in place by the owners - especially after the 1993 attempt to bomb one of them. No such explosive placement activity has ever been shown/proven to have occurred.

To keep the personnel who placed the explosives and the people who planned and executed the demolition quiet for all these years assumes a much greater level of capability for keeping secrets than the federal government has shown in most of their endeavors.

For those who claim that it was a missile, not an airplane, that hit the Pentagon. Where are the airplane and the passengers today? Again this assumes a cover up far beyond the capability of that clumsy behemoth, our federal government.

The government leaks like a sieve. Keep that in mind when you attribute a masterful secret demolition conspiracy to the Feds.

Posted by: neptun at September 11, 2015 8:02 PM

What can I say,Chleva, except to quote Marion Cobretti in Cobra: "I don't deal with psychos. I put them away."

Posted by: Van der Leun at September 11, 2015 8:16 PM

Those of us who have worked for the government know that it is only capable of a conspiracy of incompetence. This isn't the movies.

Posted by: DrTedNelson at September 11, 2015 8:21 PM

The Official Version of 9/11 goes something like this...

Directed by a beardy-guy from a cave in Afghanistan, nineteen hard-drinking, coke-snorting, devout Muslims enjoy lap dances before their mission to meet Allah...

Using nothing more than craft knifes, they overpower cabin crew, passengers and pilots on four planes...

And hangover or not, they manage to give the world's most sophisticated air defense system the slip...

Unfazed by leaving their “How to Fly a Passenger Jet” guide in the car at the airport, they master the controls in no-time and score direct hits on two towers, causing THREE to collapse completely...

Our masterminds even manage to overpower the odd law of physics or two... and the world watches in awe as steel-framed buildings fall symmetrically - through their own mass - at free-fall speed, for the first time in history.

Despite all their dastardly cunning, they stupidly give their identity away by using explosion-proof passports, which survive the fireball undamaged and fall to the ground... only to be discovered by the incredible crime-fighting sleuths at the FBI...

…Meanwhile down in Washington...

Hani Hanjour, having previously flunked 2-man Cessna flying school, gets carried away with all the success of the day and suddenly finds incredible abilities behind the controls of a Boeing...

Instead of flying straight down into the large roof area of the Pentagon, he decides to show off a little...

Executing an incredible 270 degree downward spiral, he levels off to hit the low facade of the world's most heavily defended building...

...all without a single shot being fired.... or ruining the nicely mowed lawn... and all at a speed just too fast to capture on video...

...Later, in the skies above Pennsylvania...

So desperate to talk to loved ones before their death, some passengers use sheer willpower to connect mobile calls that otherwise would not be possible until several years later...

And following a heroic attempt by some to retake control of Flight 93, it crashes into a Shankesville field leaving no trace of engines, fuselage or occupants... except for the standard issue Muslim terrorists bandana...

...Further south in Florida...

President Bush, our brave Commander-in-Chief continues to read “My Pet Goat” to a class full of primary school children... shrugging off the obvious possibility that his life could be in imminent danger...

...In New York...

World Trade Center leaseholder Larry Silverstein blesses his own foresight in insuring the buildings against terrorist attack only six weeks previously...

While back in Washington, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Paul Wolfowitz shake their heads in disbelief at their own luck in getting the 'New Pearl Harbor' catalyzing event they so desired to pursue their agenda of world domination...

And finally, not to be disturbed too much by reports of their own deaths, at least seven of our nineteen suicide hijackers turn up alive and kicking in mainstream media reports...

Posted by: Bill Jones at September 11, 2015 8:26 PM

I listened closely but he didnt tell us why Building 7, a block away, was on fire and fell down

Posted by: bgarrett at September 11, 2015 9:21 PM

Remember what happens when you smack the tar baby?


Posted by: jwm at September 11, 2015 9:47 PM

Here is an hour long, fair and civil (surprise!) debate between the explosive expert in Gerard's video, Ron Craig, and AE911's Richard Gage. I call it for Gage.

Posted by: Priscilla Holloway at September 12, 2015 5:52 AM

Per Mr. Gage's remarks, some media outlets do appear to be following a script.

Posted by: Priscilla Holloway at September 12, 2015 6:08 AM

Posted by: ghostsniper at September 12, 2015 7:13 AM

Whatever happened to Barbara Olsen? I haven't seen her for quite awhile now. I used to see her on TV now and then and she was sharp as a tack and quite attractive, but she seems to have disappeared. Maybe she moved to South America or something.

Posted by: D S Craft at September 12, 2015 11:11 AM

Smart people are always uncertain. It's when the stupid are confident that things go south.

Posted by: John Hinds at September 12, 2015 11:44 AM

Perhaps Barbara Olsen is living in Spain like 9/11 "survivor" Tania Head before she committed suicide.

Posted by: Priscilla Holloway at September 12, 2015 11:54 AM

About a month after 9/11, I received a chain email from a friend listing the "evidence" that proved the Pentagon attack was a fraud - there was no plane, etc. I passed it on to another friend, who forwarded it to his sister who lived outside of and worked in Washington D.C. She returned a blistering email to him, which he forwarded to me, wondering what kind of lunatic would start that kind of rumor, and what kind of idiots would believe it enough to pass it on. Her au pair was traumatized after witnessing the plane crashing into the Pentagon.

I learned something that day, and I like to think that I am now a little less stupid. Some people, unfortunately, seem to still be stuck on stupid.

Posted by: Harry at September 12, 2015 2:07 PM

"Once a bear gets hooked on garbage, there's no cure."

Posted by: vanderleun at September 12, 2015 7:39 PM

The most persuasive and convincing argument to me that Islamic murderers were the cause of 9/11/01, is that a secret like that requires the total silence of at least several hundred conspirators — if not thousands — and has held together for 14 years without a single conspirator breaking the silence. My understanding of human nature completely rules out that posssibility. There is just no way.

Some folks believe the moon landings were faked, too, and you can't change their minds. They always have their 'reasons'. And the Rev. Harold Camping had lots of followers a few years ago, believing that the end of the world was scheduled for a particular date and time. When it didn't happen, did they admit they were wrong?

No. They doubled down, and insisted that Camping's re-scheduled date was really the correct one. They were even more certain that Camping was right after his first prediction failed.

And in the 1950's the famous psychologist Dr. Leon Festinger wrote about a cult called the 'Seekers'. The 'Seekers' believed that a flying saucer would arrive on a certain date and time, saving them while the Earth and everyone left on it was destroyed (flying saucer sightings were a big thing in the '50's)

But when the flying saucer didn't arrive, it was the same story: the 'Seekers' doubled down, and bet all their worldly possessions that their cult leader, 'Mrs. Keech', had simply made a mistake in her calculations. They accepted her assurance of the flying saucer's re-scheduled arrival. Well, dang! Wrong again. No flying saucer ever arrived, and the Earth is still here.

Now some folks are absolutely convinced that 9/11 was (and still is) a giant government conspiracy. Human nature being what it is, no one will ever convince them they might be mistaken. They are 100.0% certain that the U.S. government was behind 9/11.

This little comment won't change a single mind, either. Just like the believers in the 'dangerous man-made global warming' scare, they are absolutely certain they are right. They have no doubts. They Believe, and even the most fervent Jehovah's Witness has nothing on that True Belief.

Martyrs will die to be right. How's that for human nature?

Posted by: Smokey at September 12, 2015 8:08 PM

What do we have here? Sockpuppets? Meatpuppets? Bots? Incredibly stupid and tangential comments from entities that (whom?) have incredibly poor reading skills (including a MD or PhD at the top of the list? The horror) Are these the 95% of Americans who couldn't pass a basic grammar school science quiz?

The jump from questioning conclusions from false premises or obviously false data TO accusations framed in the 'conspiracy theorist' pejorative is actually quite amazing. Methinks you dost protest too much.

Can I see a show of hands from the Mensa candidates or members here? C'mon, let's see 'em...

Figures. The old aphorism attributed to Napoleon regarding not mistaking malevolence for stupidity may be outdated, for there certainly are many with a burr under their saddle whose positions on this issue, and associated vehemence of opinion, simply can't add up...unless there are other motives at work rather than simple stupidity.

But then, they could simply be average Americans.

Quien sabe'?

Posted by: K. Jack Chleva at September 12, 2015 9:11 PM

Well that PROVED sumpin' alright.

a CANADIAN firearms eshpurt, an splosives too, and a fireman, to boot!

Apparently the "Popular" Mechanics fairy tale didn't work, yet this canadian moron takes the same approach, telling the gullible just what the "conspiracy theorists" claim, with the assistance of an ever so helpful prompter snoozeperson.

Say, didja know that A36 steel burns at 6200F, yet jet fuel burns at less than 2000F?

Didja notice that the canadian eshpurts video showed an asymmetric building collapse, and that was partial?

WHAT - no mention of the missing 2.3 TRILLION $$
announced on Sept 10th by Rumsfeld?

No mention of the active military op FOLLOWING THE SAME SCENARIO as the "hijackers" AT THE EXACT SAME TIME?

No mention of Cheney's stand down order to intercepts?

No mention of the intercept positioning AT THE SAME TIME, hundreds of miles away from normal positions?

No mention of the 28 pages remaining classified from the Cheney/Bush handpicked 9/11 commission?

Most telling is the broadbrush "conspiracy theory"
label; however whether one believes the .gov myth or otherwise, a conspiracy was involved.

9/11 explained in four minutes:

Loose change, for those with a longer attention span:

Whatever the truth is, it does not resemble the .gov fairy tale.

Posted by: itor at September 12, 2015 10:00 PM

"....a secret like that requires the total silence of at least several hundred conspirators...."


First, you self-establish parameters that cannot be scaled, then you build your flawed premise on it, never once questioning the logic.

For many people they wouldn't believe the *secret* even if it was scribbled right on their eyeballs with a big red crayon.

That's just the way they are.

Remember, Oswald killed JFK, cause, well cause they told us so....and even after some 50 years none of the thousands involved with the cover up have reveled the truth, how do you account for that?

Posted by: ghostsniper at September 13, 2015 8:28 AM


steel burns at about 2600F, not 6200F.

But hey, at this point what difference does it make?

A government that tells the truth about Benghazi & gorebal warming can be trusted implicitly, right?

And never would they result to using proxies to mis-characterize opposing viewpoints.

That's why the National Institute of Scienmagick & Technocracy computer model PROVING 9/11 gravity has been classified, because who can know what a peer review might reveal.

Posted by: itor at September 13, 2015 10:42 AM

"Once a bear gets hooked on garbage, there's no cure."

Posted by: vanderleun at September 13, 2015 11:16 AM

Neener neener.

Posted by: Priscilla Holloway at September 13, 2015 12:03 PM

Finding it difficult to stay on topic?

Posted by: itor at September 14, 2015 5:19 PM

Itor - where are the passengers from the 3 flights that hit buildings? Where is Barbara Olson? And no, I'm not wasting my time watching any paranoid videos. I want you to tell me where these people are and how you know that to be the truth.

Posted by: D S Craft at September 15, 2015 7:50 PM

@ D S Craft:

Please, it is itor, not "Itor"

The passengers? Dead, most assuredly. I am not acquainted with your "Barbara Olsen".

I was certain however that many would lack the intellectual curiosity and attention span necessary to both view and understand the references posted. In this regard I have not been proven wrong, at least in the example at hand.

Posted by: itor at September 15, 2015 8:34 PM

Start with WTC 7. Watch the collapse. Without prejudice, ask yourself how likely it is the building collapsed symmetrically at near free fall speed due to "normal" office fires. Then listen to the debate between Ron Craig and Richard Gage. For the longest time, I refused to entertain any idea counter the official story. I became enraged at the suggestion the truth could deviate in any way from what we had been told. I thought all debate was simply partisan politics. An alternate conspiracy theory was unthinkable. I had forgotten about WTC 7. Take a dispassionate look at the facts, the rest is all speculation.

Having done that

Building 7 is the starting point.

Posted by: Priscilla Holloway at September 16, 2015 6:00 AM

As an aside:
"38 Become personal, insulting and rude as soon as you perceive you opponent has the upper hand.
In becoming personal you leave the subject altogether, and turn your attack on the person by remarks of an offensive and spiteful character.
This is a very popular technique, as it takes so little skill to put it into effect."
Schopenhauer, 38 Ways To Win An Argument
I know, I know, a colonized mind is a terrible thing to paste.

Posted by: Priscilla Holloway at September 16, 2015 7:19 AM

Barbara Olson (I originally misspelled her last name) WAS the wife of U.S. Solicitor General Ted Olson. Pre 911 she made occasional guest appearances on TV shows such as the O’Reilly Factor, etc. She was on the plane that hit the Pentagon. Haven’t seen nor heard from her since. Gone. Where is she? I think a really good place to start is not with a discussion of the buildings – we can argue about that until the cows come home. No, a really good place to start is you guys telling us where the passengers on those planes are. Dead? (most assuredly) Really? How do you know that? How did they die? Who killed them? When did that happen? Were the pilots really secret government agents bent on committing suicide? No fair glossing over the subject and then quickly moving on to ‘the buildings’. Give us specifics and tell us exactly what happened to the passengers. Then, and only then, we can talk.
And no, Itor, it is not a lack of intellectual curiosity that is preventing me from wading through this nonsense yet again; I’ve already seen many of the arguments and counter arguments. No, it’s a refusal to indulge peoples paranoid fantasies. But you know what pal, you just keep gnawing on that bone you got there. At least it keeps you busy and out of other peoples way.

Posted by: D S Craft at September 16, 2015 8:37 AM

Never Forget!:

"Once a bear gets hooked on garbage, there's no cure."

Posted by: vanderleun at September 16, 2015 8:56 AM

Are the passengers dead? Does a bear sh*t in the woods?
"1 Carry your opponent's proposition beyond its natural limits; exaggerate it.
3 Ignore your opponent's proposition, which was intended to refer to some particular thing. Rather, understand it in some quite different sense, and then refute it. Attack something different from what was asserted. "
It's quite reasonable to believe the passengers are dead. It's less reasonable to believe WTC fell symmetrically due to fire.

Posted by: Priscilla Holloway at September 16, 2015 10:01 AM

@ D S Craft

yes, you got it bad - that's why you keep coming back. you know, deep down in yer bones that what you believe jes ain't so - you know that your would be masters have been deceiving you for years, decades, generations perhaps.

yet, you desire the assurance of Master, to know that Master has your interests and well being first and foremost. yeah, you got it bad. can't leave it alone. you know in the quiet times and places that the constant gnawing at the innermost levels of consciousness you MUST DISCOVER TRUTH. you know that it wasn't quite right to destroy a crime scene prior to proper investigation, as in 9/11, as in Oklahoma City, as in Waco.

you know, deep down the lies the deception the obfuscation continue to pile up - hey, the hundreds of eyewitnesses to the in air destruction off Long Island of TWA flight 800 DID see what they saw AND REPORTED, despite .gov attempts at coercion.

you know that the missile launch observed by thousands - perhaps millions - off coast from LA was not a "jet aircraft caught in unusual setting sun". you know these things, and yet - you strike out at those refusing to believe the lies.

you know that the thousands of engineers, architects and physicists refuting the official lies of 9/11 have science on their side - not the bullshit scienmajick of gorebal warming, but the real thing, repeatable, confirmable, and conforming to the sceintific method.

Is that what's bothering you, bunky?

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Posted by: itor at September 16, 2015 10:44 PM

Which summed up proves by examples that:

"Once a bear gets hooked on garbage, there's no cure."

Posted by: vanderleun at September 18, 2015 9:17 AM