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Enjoying your Russian civil war – by Curtis Yarvin

“How does Putin expect to win a media war, when his tanks aren’t taking video?”

Some commentators claim that America’s new civil war in the Ukraine has already generated the best war footage ever. So far as I can tell, this is a mad overstatement.

Of course, the war isn’t over yet. We can’t be too quick to yawn. But as a reviewer, where I have to be right now is: y’all started a civil war in a nuclear power—for this?

Well! I’m sure hardly anyone else shares this perspective. Let’s unpack it.

Visuals: C
True: cameras are always improving. But unless you are either a resolution queen or into heavy gore, the Moscow-Kiev conflict has nothing on our late, lamented Syrian civil war. Every T-72 in Syria seemed to be tricked out with a GoPro, and every jihadi with a Javelin missile (lovingly wired by union electricians in San Diego) had a cousin filming the shot with an iPhone. Allahu Akbar!

Even the editing was ambitious—once (back when any Kremlin-backed den of misinformation could just post this kind of hardcore war porn on YouTube, like if America was still a free country or something), I saw this epic ANNA News POV  clip of armored war in a dead city. Your tank would back up, swivel the gun, roll over a pile of bricks, and blast some faraway structure—then a haji takes you out with an RPG from behind—and ANNA cuts to the jihadi POV. Incredibly based journalism! And it was magic hour in the Holy Land… For all the tax dollars that go into producing these wars, this is the content Americans deserve—and what are we getting? Some blurry vertical videos from a 5-year-old Korean phone of a faraway MLRS strike? Yet another still of a couple of burned-out BMPs in the snow? I mean: how does Putin expect to win a media war, when his tanks aren’t taking video? What? What? Sometimes I think I’m the only sane person left on earth…

But, dear reader—I suspect you find this perspective a little cold. Psychopathic, even?

No—this is not how I actually think about this war. But what I want to do is show you how—at least if you are a normal American consumer of broadcast and social media—your perspective on the conflict in the Ukraine is even colder and more psychopathic. If you adopted this attitude of the unabashed, deranged, bloodthirsty war-porn coomer, you would totally be upgrading your karma.

Destroy this mad brute
Here is one simple way to think about a distant war:

So, Ukraine is a country in Europe. It exists next to another country called Russia. Russia is a bigger country. Russia is a powerful country. Russia decided to invade a smaller country called Ukraine. So, basically, that’s wrong, and it goes against everything that we stand for.

Brawndo, as you may have heard, has electrolytes.

If you are a normal American, red or blue, Republican or Democrat, you more or less agree with Vice President Harris’s ELI5 explanation of what “we stand for.” So you are not entitled to mock it.

Indeed I find it a lovely summary of the conventional perspective at an elementary-school level. It reminds me of the glorious simplicity of classic WWI war propaganda. Kids, I give you democracy in action—here is how the long suicide of Europe began:

Do you really think the same exact thing isn’t happening right now? Or couldn’t?

In fact, it may well be possible that the only thing between you, me and nuclear war is… the notorious “Deep State,” which still holds some ancient 20th-century “realist” silverbacks who on Tuesdays know a hawk from a handsaw. If US foreign policy was set by Twitter poll, as one day it surely will be, the ICBMs would probably already be flying. Wilsonian liberalism is a weapon of media war far older than anyone alive, but it was then guided by canny, pragmatic statesmen—not demented Internet egregores.

So, I’m sorry to say this, kids, but it might not be too early to stock up on canned food. Of course, I said the same thing about covid. But of course, I was right. (Kind of.

In any case, dear reader, you and I have two ways to go here. Either you are interested in finding another way to think about this and other wars at a level deeper and more subtle than “DESTROY THIS MAD BRUTE,” or you aren’t. If you aren’t—well, I’m sorry someone sent you this link. Just text him back and say you weren’t super into it.

Another way to think about a distant war
Let’s start by assuming that Putin, this mad brute—whom some are already calling “Putler”—is entirely responsible for all the bloodshed and violence of this war. This is surely the position of our Vice-President and her many Twitter fans. Putler is guilty! We must hang this Putler, and the evil imperial henchmen of his evil Putler empire.

Now, let’s suppose someone replaces Putin with a robot. This machine looks exactly like Putin and behaves exactly like Putin, and has exactly Putin’s job. However, being a machine and not a person, it cannot be guilty of anything. Possibly the person who installed it is bad—but we have no idea who that is. In any case, this Putinbot, this evil AI, is the absolute ruler of Russia and makes all its political decisions.

Under this identical but oddly different scenario, what is the morally proper way for the American people, in our collective democratic capacity as the State Department of our democratically elected, or at least democratically validated, government “USG,” to conduct our foreign policy toward Russia?

See, we are not allowed to ask what the Putinbot should do; it cannot be swayed; it is a robot, a machine, a force of nature. Its acts are acts of God, against which we can only guard ourselves as best we can. As Genghis Khan used to say when he besieged a city: “If you had not committed great sins, God would not have sent a punishment like me.” The aggressor is a non-player character; you cannot play him, you cannot blame him. Playing only one player is a basic principle of the statesmanship game.

The purpose of this thought-experiment is to force your mind into the actual position of a statesman, not a six-year-old playing kickball. You are not a statesman, of course. Maybe you vote. Maybe you are some asshole on Twitter. Maybe you’re at the NSC. In your job or your life, wherever it sits in our oligarchic democracy, there is no call for the skills of a statesman. This is a problem. It is not a problem you or I can solve. Yet rowing is also fun and good exercise, though Athens today has not one trireme left.

This experiment in statesmanship does not define the goal of your plan. Traditionally the statesman was only concerned with the interests of his country and its citizens—a bit hardcore for our weepy 21st century, if actually ideal from a systemic perspective. But we’ll handle this old angle briefly before returning to classic American altruism.

The realist goal
A foreign policy conducted solely in the interest of Americans would not involve intervening in a civil war against a nuclear power on the banks of the Dnieper, for the reason that there is absolutely no resource of interest to Americans, on the banks of the Dnieper, which could outweigh the risk of a global thermonuclear war.

RTWT AT Enjoying your Russian civil war – by Curtis Yarvin

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  • LostMyPlunger March 15, 2022, 6:49 PM

    “…there is absolutely no resource of interest to Americans, on the banks of the Dnieper, which could outweigh the risk of a global thermonuclear war.”

    Well there’s your problem right there. Editorial underlining foregone because “Can’t we all just get along?”

    TWANLOC + TWNW + Twitter is a right Bitches Brew.

  • Dirk March 15, 2022, 9:08 PM

    I don’t think most understand just how close our govt is to crumbling. When the dollar loose out to the yuan, it”s game over.

    Saudis hold our world currency status in their hands, as I write this.

    Those guys are not receiving/talking to the douche bag from Delaware.

    Our US Govt is my enemy. When SHTF, it is them I shall hunt.

    • edaddy March 16, 2022, 8:16 AM


      • Vanderleun March 16, 2022, 10:03 AM

        Translation: “Dirk, you dog-eating Chinese bitch, your English sucks”

  • KCK March 15, 2022, 9:53 PM

    I see the war vids from Ukraine with great interest, because: professional. idk shit about the dramatic or cinematic content. That is way above my pay grade. That editing statement about the Syrian War – that is eye opening. What I saw: sand n—–s yelling to the Muslim god whenever they torched off any crew served weapon, and Russian and Russian trained soldiers stopping their armor a lot in a city where they ought to have infantry support. IOW: stupid.

    Here’s something interesting I saw yesterday and today, in Ukraine. I already mentioned the failure of the Roos to conduct combat drills, and how they run away from ambushes and kuck up entirely their whole armored attack operations. Today I saw one about the actual combat drills Ivan undergoes, when he’s doing a Dog & Pony show for higher command. It is a year ago, and sureasshit Ivan dismounts, returns fire, and assaults towards the ambush. They get a little better as they go (although they do the half run thing most regular soldiers do in training) and they learn to keep their vehicles rolling while being dismounted and returning fire. Cut to today, or in current video terms: How it’s Going…they run like hell when attacked, and then their whole shit runs loose all over the battlefield.

    For those who want Ivan to do better, he did do better today, on the media front. This morning, when I looked at Twitter, it was mostly Ivan patting Yooks on the back and bringing them humanitarian aid. Russian propaganda is on point and probably someone got fired and a new, bright star is in charge of Russian media efforts.

    OK, so an amoral Putinbot scenario so we cannot be overly passionate in our viewpoints. Be more objective, so to speak. I don’t look at actual Putin as Hitler, although the supermodel in the suitcase thing today was tres. creepy. Very KGB of the Vlad. Anyway, the author is absolutely right that you must see the events in Europe from a national objective standpoint. What’s at risk, what’s critical and also what is short of our interests. The author acts (incredibly) as if there is no NATO obligation. For good or for bad, we have the obligation. Suck on it.

    • KCK March 15, 2022, 11:16 PM

      Chris Cappy just dropped this, and he is able to fill-in more Russian perspective. I was thinking how the combined arms nature of combat is lost on Ivan, and that comes out. Also, the ambush foibles. However, the Russian supply plan becomes more clear. They still have deficiencies in supply, but at least they aren’t completely asleep at the wheel.

    • jdgalt1 March 16, 2022, 10:18 AM

      There is indeed no NATO obligation unless an adversary starts a war with a country NATO is pledged to defend. That has not yet happened. Even if Ukraine were already a member of NATO it still would not yet have happened, because this war was started by Ukrainian forces shooting at the Russian troops that have rightfully occupied the Donbass region under, and since, the Minsk accords of 2014. Russia has not broken that agreement. Ukraine has.

      We should not even consider defending the bad guys in this war merely because the sons of Biden, Pelosi, Kerry, and Romney want to keep receiving bribes from Ukrainian oil companies. Nor because Lockheed-Martin wants more money.

    • Monty James March 16, 2022, 10:44 AM

      I would appreciate it if you could be a little more explicit about that obligation NATO has toward a state which is not a member of NATO.

      • KCK March 17, 2022, 9:21 AM

        Monty, I’m not saying the Ukraine Russian War invokes article 5. What I’m saying is that the author of the article in this post acts in the abstract as if there is no NATO obligation at all on the broader scale of Russia facing Europe.

        jfgalt1 stop it. Just stop.

  • ghostsniper March 16, 2022, 4:25 AM

    Like the election, the covid, the yook-russ thing has nothing to do with me and doesn’t attrack much os my interest. When you get used to the idea that the world is now run by assholes and that most of everything out there in all forms of the media is bullshit it helps focus on where your priorities lie. Your worst enemy is within 10 miles of you right now. Dirk knows.

    • Terry March 16, 2022, 9:05 AM

      “Your worst enemy is within 10 miles of you right now. Dirk knows.”

      Anyone paying attention to their own backyard knows that their immediate threat comes from “city hall”. If your county sheriff is not a constitutionalist, he/she – is – your – enemy. Same perspective should apply to your city police. Ditto any sitting .gov employee. These are not your friends. Yes, there are exceptions.

      Avoid the medical/hospital racket if you value your life as well.

      Watch the way “cops” are attacking American citizen protestors. I viewed a cop pull a small female from a car she was sitting in and slam her face down on the pavement. Then another cop rushed over and pounded her face into the tarmac with a hideous boot heel strike. This was in a USA city. What has happened to decency and valor? These cops are now gestapo thugs following orders from who? How could any *man* do such things to his own unarmed citizenry? My God, where are we as a nation headed-

    • Anonymous March 20, 2022, 10:33 AM

      “Your worst enemy is within 10 miles of you right now.”
      A person becomes his own worst enemy when he allows paranoia and cowardice to pollute his senses to the point of controlling his thoughts and acts.

  • PullTheOtherChain March 16, 2022, 5:47 AM

    Just so as we’re not all utterly flabbergasted when the Russians win this limited war which all our media tell us they are losing, I suggest following the daily updates by these guys.:

    The Duran

    Greeks, so they have a bit of boner for the Third Rome. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

    • KCK March 16, 2022, 7:10 AM

      Drill down 10 rows on the Duran page and see: Russia Invasion (is) Fiction. coughs.

      I won’t say that Russia isn’t going to win; that is a safe bet for prognosticators. However, there has opened up a wide possibility of their losing. Ukraine is determined and tenacious, and Russia is retarded top to bottom. Do you know the definition of Blitzkrieg? Neither does Russia. sniffs.

    • Vanderleun March 16, 2022, 7:47 AM

      I concur. I track them daily. The source of items and attitudes not founds elsewhere.

  • Dirk March 16, 2022, 9:06 AM

    Shit, guys Mother Russia has already won the skirmish. Russia may not win world approval, but then when did world approval ever matter to any communist country.

    Sanctions, laughable! China is buying their oil, China is feeding them, China is in fact involved in this skirmish with Russia, a silent partner.

    The play is actually brilliant. Biden’s allowing Iran Nuke weapons, Iran has stated “ often” they WILL nuke Israel. Is anybody here nieve enough to not recognize it is Israel who SHALL nuke Iran, in their defense? Would be suicidal to stand by and await a nuke themselves

    Is it not noted that Iran and the Arabs are arch enemies. Does anybody here believe the Arabs are beyond pissed off at the US admin for taking Trumps sanctions regarding Iran off the table. Does anybody here believe China isn’t whispering in the Arabs ears right now about bad America.

    When the petro dollar goes down to the yuan, we have only our very own govt to blame. Does anybody here actually believe all this is a comedy or errors? Or recognize a lot of work has gone into setting this up.

    Does anybody here not believe China war gamed this at the three dimensional level, and are secretly urging Russia to continue the fight. Understanding the world leaderships at stake.

    The Arabs WILL work with China, because the US admin has chosen Iran over our long long term oil partners. This isn’t The dildo from Delaware’s gig, this goes directly to Barrack Obama, who’s calling the shots from his command center basement.

    Does everybody here understand that this president is not 25th able. Does everybody here understand that impeachment does not mean presidential removal from office? We are being cooked and eaten from within.

    I hope, i pray everybody here understand your on your own, this govt will take care of its own, not We The People. Don’t believe me, care to bet your children’s your grand children’s lives on it?

    We ThePeople have been sold out for nickels and dimes.

    Did anybody here catch the vote on the second amendment yesterday, did you note the Republicans who supported selling our gun rights out again?

    • Vanderleun March 16, 2022, 9:50 AM

      Noted and despised.

      • Dirk March 16, 2022, 8:14 PM

        GV, I’m open to other views. What strikes me is,,,,,, just how clever, how devious this shit is.

        Does Israel really have other options?
        Do the Arabs, allow Obama, Biden to rub their nose in it. Or do they use the power of the petro dollar , into the petro yuan? That’s a metric ton of leverage.
        Do you recall that Obama sent like 50 BILLION to Iran “in cash” his second term. Loaded a air force C17, which landed in Tehran.
        Do you recognize that Irans is the number one supporter of Terrorist in the world.
        Do you know that China has filled the vacuum caused by the US abandoning central and South America.

        So you know that Chinese subs often approach the West Coast maping our underwater defense systems, the Russians are also parking boomers and hunters of the Atlantic coast.

        Are you aware that the USN has just created a naval fleet to protect our Atlantic coast, sub hunter heavy.

        This Includes Russian boomers just off Charlston, China and Russia into The puget sound off Washington. No fleet has yet been dedicated to the west coast. Between San Diego to Washingtoms a lot to cover when you consider the San Fran bay carrier fleet at Naval Ship Yard Alameda. Which also is home port to our ready reserve fleet.

        We don’t think twice making war on non Nuke goat herders, yet those goat farmers handed us our asses. Like the Vietcong did.

        This is about MONEY, always has been.

        So exactly how are we different from Russia.

        If I’ve got this wrong please straighten me out.

    • ghostsniper March 16, 2022, 10:18 AM

      Dirk sed: “…this goes directly to Barrack Obama, who’s calling the shots from his command center basement.”
      You are wrong, and should know better.

      • goats diaper March 18, 2022, 2:24 PM

        Why is it that the stupidest guys always think they are correct and feel the need to “correct” smart people and tell them they are wrong? (and should “know better”)

        It reminds me of the old parable of the man who finds himself driving the wrong way down a freeway and yet insists that he’s not at fault, it’s the fault of the several hundred drivers coming towards him.

  • Dirk March 16, 2022, 7:40 PM


    Prove me wrong

    • james wilson March 18, 2022, 2:50 AM

      Obama never actually owned his Presidency, any more than Biden does. He was run by the same people who organized his entire life. There was one moment in his campain when he realized he actually might become President and he threw off his handlers. That lasted one bad day and he was back on the teleprompter.