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“Civilization Collapsing in Real Time:” with comments

Tom Hyland January 19, 2022, 6:20 AM
Last night Tucker Carlson delivered a crystal clear analogy of what is causing the Great Train Robbery and the decimation of civilization everywhere. It is bought and paid for and entirely planned this way.

Fred January 18, 2022, 11:41 AM
Civilization doesn’t “collapse.” Rather, where the rule of law and respect for it cease to be enforced, this is what replaces it. It has been ever thus. The difference between this and Rome in ruins is spray paint and stolen iPads. What is the same is the ruination of business, industry, and commerce, the end of public safety, the rise of dictatorship by whomever the strong thug is today, and the practical death of large cities as places worth living in. The fifth generation of my family was born in Chicago, today I live — well-armed, and with armed and trained neighbors, including veterans — between two small towns.

Mike Austin January 18, 2022, 12:16 PM
When—if—these United States collapse it will do so in its own way. Certainly, we can learn from the fall of the Western Roman Empire, but there are many other historical antecedents of rise and fall as well. Even when the Western Empire fell there was yet the entire eastern half which had not. As well there were large swaths of the west that remained stable for some decades after the Goths stormed the gates of Rome. Perhaps therein lies a clue: The entire west coast, the northern east coast, and a few Democrat Party urban enclaves collapse, yet the rest of the nation remains whole. Letting these degraded, violent, and dependent parts go would be like a man accepting the amputation of a gangrenous leg.

John A. Fleming January 18, 2022, 2:27 PM
Ooh, even in collapse, the rest of the nation would surely not want to lose the ports of LA and San Diego. I can see a no-man’s-land battleground between the 91 and the 105 in Los Angeles, and between the 110 and the 710. The United States would hold the high-ground at Redlands on the I-10, keeping the unfortunate souls of the People’s Democratic Progressive Republic of New Aztlan and Califia confined to the lowlands and north of the 105 and the 60. The PDRAC might try to destroy the 91/215/60 interchanges at Riverside. The United States would hold Edwards, Twenty-Nine Palms, Barstow, March, Pendleton, San Diego. The United States would have to keep the Owens Valley and Colorado aqueducts flowing unmolested or it would have a major humanitarian disaster on its hands.

Mike Austin January 19, 2022, 2:32 AM
For whatever ruling body exists once hostility commences a civil war would mean “a major humanitarian disaster on its hands”. That fairly well defines the effect of every civil war in History. There is no avoiding this. In civil war as in every war, someone has to lose. To shy away because of this is to renounce war, thus to become a virtual pacifist, thus to begin a journey to the Gulags. Zero-sum.

“The United States would have to keep the Owens Valley and Colorado aqueducts flowing unmolested…” Why should we allow our enemies water? Or food? Or fuel? Or medicines? Do you want to win or not? The control of water is a nice strategic tool to have, and it has ended countless sieges throughout History.

As for ports and such in enemy hands, they would not long remain there. I cannot imagine California holding out for very long in any civil war. Again, simply control the water and folks would get mighty amenable to coercion.

OneGuy January 18, 2022, 2:15 PM
One Sniper could stop this cold. AND no one that he killed would be missed or deserve to live. AND crime, in general, would go down.

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  • Uncle Jefe January 19, 2022, 12:32 PM

    Fence off the large metro areas of CA, and the rest of the state is red. Do remember that CA is mostly ag country, with ag folks (good Americans) living good lives. There are plenty of little blue enclaves, but they are mostly inhabited by lefty Boomers…in other words, not armed, certainly not trained to fight, and otherwise helpless in every way.
    Fence off the metros, and let them eat one another.
    The rest of the state will be just fine.

    • Mike Austin January 19, 2022, 12:37 PM

      The same is true of Oregon and Washington. The eastern parts of those states are red with lots of guns.

      • Dirk January 19, 2022, 6:50 PM

        Southern/ Western OREGON and Washington, more guns then you all can imagine. What’s referred to as snipers,,, their are tens of thousands of men and women, who can kill their target at 1000 y, nine shots out of ten.

        A man I admire, Bill Buppert has a observation. I fuck it up every time, but here goes.

        Men who understand what’s happening , understand their are no rules will never be removed from their mountain. I’m laughing, I screwed it up, yet I understand ain’t noooooobodyyyyyy taking me of my mountain.

        Skunk holes, porky pine dens, caves, culverts tree roots balls,,,,and fresh water I’m golden my people are golden

  • gwbnyc January 19, 2022, 12:48 PM
  • John G Condon January 19, 2022, 12:56 PM

    “One Sniper could stop this cold. AND no one that he kulled would be missed or deserve to live.” – OneGuy (above)

    Rosa Luxemburg’s execution ensured that Weimar Germany would not morph into a Soviet Style communist Revolution.

    Infortunately, Germany at that time was so inundated by Socialists, another form of Socialism took over anyway (Hitler).
    But yea… i understand that sad truth.

    • Mike Seyle January 19, 2022, 2:17 PM

      Didn’t know about Rosa Luxemburg; had to look her up. So many scholars here. Does Gerard offer college credits?

      • John G Condon January 19, 2022, 2:55 PM

        Rosa Luxemborg and what a schmuck she was: here’s a quick and compact view of this creature

        “TIKhistory” is one of the sites of historian Mark Felton. Though I would come to listen to him about war history, his indepth understanding of economics (and his tie-ins with our situation today) is also a mind broadening exercise as seen in this video. Though it is a bit long (~40minutes), the incredible amount of information stuffed into this video will make it well worth your time to listen to every bit of it – especially since it also rhymes with what is going on today.

        Mark Felton seems to be getting better and better over time and is quickly catching up to Victor Davis Hanson in my estimation.


        • Mike Seyle January 19, 2022, 3:26 PM

          Ah, an assignment.

          • John G Condon January 19, 2022, 4:23 PM

            How kind of you, Mike.

            Historian Mark Felton is a diamond in the ruff.

            He’ll fast track your understanding of the Socialists today – and without having to study all the much as he has metabolized what he has read and condensed it into a format that us mere mortals can not only understand, but expand upon it without becoming an fanatical ideologue – exactly what our teachers are supposed to do.

          • John G Condon January 19, 2022, 4:52 PM

            I was dead wrong: He is NOT Mark Felton!!!!!

            He is just a shmoe with a love for certain aspects of history.

            Dang… I should have dug deeper before opening my mouth.

            Sorry Mike!!!!

            • Mike Seyle January 19, 2022, 5:19 PM

              And I was halfway through the assignment when I gave up. Decided I’d rather not graduate.

          • Mike Austin January 19, 2022, 5:20 PM

            Dear Mike Seyle: Yes, an assignment. You wanted college credits, yes?

            • Mike Seyle January 19, 2022, 5:53 PM

              And to you, dear Mike Austin. Seems as though my instructor … though obviously brilliant … pulled the assignment from a different lecture. Think I’ll settle on a master’s and forgo the Ph.D.

              • Mike Austin January 20, 2022, 2:33 AM

                In my “academic career” I decided upon simply a BA in History and a BS in Political Science. No Masters or Ph.D. Too much work in stuffy seminar rooms, archives and libraries, too many papers to write on a manual typewriter, too much suffering of fools. I decided that the real world with all its baubles, bangles and beads was where I needed to be. My last official college classroom was 40 years ago.

                I have learned more at American Digest over the years than I did in most of my college courses.

    • John A. Fleming January 19, 2022, 3:08 PM

      I don’t think that sniping thing will work.
      1. It will spark a massive Federal response as they claim jurisdiction over interstate commerce, and the Feds will use it to bring the hurt on everyone who refuses to bend the knee to the primacy of the progressive project. They will view it as the Fort Sumter moment they’re all hoping for.
      2. The thieves are welcome clients of the State/County/City, they’ve been invited here and are valuable contributors to the beautiful rainbow diverse paradise of California that makes us all stronger and better. Whatever the Feds don’t do, the St/Co/Ci will. Tenth Amendment, see.
      What a mess. It’s going to create some weird adaptations, when a person can’t trust the mail and package delivery services. Imagine having to go in person to a delivery center to pick up all your stuff. The centers will be surrounded by no-see-thru fences and barbed wire, with broken glass on the fence top. There will be loiterers outside marking promising cars for the follow-home-jackers. And a person will be denied defense against the jackers, as it’s only property. The Fed/St/Co/Ci like this, as it’s one-stop-shopping for surveillance and interception of non-preferred goods being sent to the deplorables. Imagine being told a date/time to arrive at the distribution center, as the packages have to go straight from the truck to your car, and any package left unclaimed after 1 hour cannot be guaranteed.
      I’m sitting here thinking about it, and it seems like reliable mail and package delivery services are a pretty fundamental underpinning of our civilization. We will fall far without this.

      • John G Condon January 19, 2022, 3:27 PM

        “I don’t think that sniping thing will work.”

        I agree.

        1. Once it starts where will it stop?
        2. The persecution of groups is all one sided. Make a move against these commies and… boom.
        3. Media Megaphones is all one-sided and full of hyperbole and lies.

        The suicide of the west is resembling more and more that story that Gerard Van Der Luen posted (some time ago, if I recall) of a man trying to escape that ‘Pig God’: Its gonna be a long and arduous hell of keeping tempers cool and focusing on the prize of Liberty – whatever the cost.
        But I also understand the efficacy of what OneGuy wrote (right tool for the right job and this mess is so big now, I have no idea how things are gonna get fixed.)

        • Jack January 20, 2022, 7:48 AM

          John, if it all boils down to such a scenario I doubt that anyone will be thinking of Liberty and Freedom. Personally I would consider those things as long lost and my only concern would be who I might have to shoot next.

          • John G Condon January 20, 2022, 7:01 PM

            As long as the common man fights within the boundaries of civil society, we can struggle at school board meetings, we can vote the bums out of the city councils and vote in our own dog catchers.

            Once the common man takes up arms dispenses justice without the proper authority of the courts or the police (and reclaimed rights that they delegated to those representing the ‘the law’) all bets are off.

            Infact, that is exactly what the commies want us to do – to reclaim our natural rights of self defence outside of our compact with civil behavior know as ‘the law’.

            This is the territory of these commie bastards – they WANT us to step outside the protections of ‘the law’ so that they can then start the wholesale slaughter that they have done time and time again in previous countries they flipped to create their communist utopias

            It needs to be resisted at all costs and this is exactly what they want: The Russian Gulag, the Chinese struggle sessions, the Cambodian Killing Fields, the Cuban firing squad wall.

            BUT, if blood is spilt and civil disorder is ensured – as THEY wish – remember that they are the ‘central’ planners, the elitists, the ‘big brains’ – not us: Go after the centers of gravity, the populists, the talking heads, the actors, the professors, the chairmen of the boards.

            Pick your sacrifice and go after that one elitist snob: The Pelosis, the Soros, the Comeys, etc… and eventually their utopiast dreams will disintegrate as it did with the deaths of Rosa Luxmeburg and Karl Liebkneckt.

            OneGuy (above) was right.

            In the meantime, struggle within the framework of the law- for that is your greatest ally as long as it lasts.

  • John G Condon January 19, 2022, 1:49 PM

    “One Sniper could stop this cold. AND no one that he killed would be missed or deserve to live.” – OneGuy January 18, 2022, 2:15 PM

    Had Rosa Luxemburg & Karl Liebknecht not been summarily executed right after the Sparticus Revolution in Germany, the German Weimar Republic could have easily become a Soviet style communist state.

    Unfortunately, Germany was just thick with Socialists at that time (SPD was the foundation of Weimar Germany) and so eventually another flavor of extremist Socialism eventually took over with Hitler.

    But yea… I see the efficacy of what you are saying.

  • julie January 19, 2022, 2:33 PM

    Tom Hyland said: The United States would hold the high-ground at Redlands on the I-10

    Now there’s an interesting/ alarming thought. Redlands is one of my neighboring towns.

    • julie January 19, 2022, 2:34 PM

      Mea Culpa – I was quoting John Fleming, not Tom Hyland.

  • FRONT_TOWARD_ENEMY January 19, 2022, 5:36 PM

    IMMO we are under attack by an emerging religion that has been on slow cooking for more than a hundred years.

    I call it “leftoxenomorphism” (lefto xeno morphism)

    This religion is messianic in extreme and utterly aggressive.

    I go as far as to consider its fanatic practitioners sub-humans having abandoned humanity to degenerate into an anti-human new species.

    A comment like this won’t allow for much elaboration but:

    (a) for a leftoxenomorph if something is good for humans, she hates it.

    (b) for a leftoxenomorph if something is bad for humans she loves it.

    (c) leftoxenomorphs are anti-human civilization to such an extreme that it may seem clownish but it is actually evil. The apparent insanity of leftoxenomorph’s attitudes is always evil and its objective is to confuse humans and make the use of our brains ineffective.

    (d) the ultimate objective of leftoxenomorphism is to subjugate humans and enslave the willing to submit to a neo-feudal system of woke collectivist government with the leftoxenomorphs as the feudal class of an ant-hill with a one-hive-mind: theirs.

    (e) those humans unwilling to submit will be genocided.

  • Dirk January 19, 2022, 6:55 PM

    John and John, living on your knees isn’t living. Pretty clear you boys don’t have your target packages up to date. Boys better get jiggy!


    • John A. Fleming January 19, 2022, 8:42 PM

      Oh Mr. Dirk,
      In an asymmetric situation where side “y” has freedom of action without consequence,
      1. If a person is on side “x”, never talk in an open forum about anything specific that side “x” is doing. Including participating in peaceful civil activities petitioning for redress.
      2. Ignore all who show up and start advocating for going kinetic. If they persist, withdraw and break comms.
      3. It is very useful to consider what side “y” will do to likely provocations, events and situations. Open forums help gather ideas. A single person can’t think of everything. Then each person should break that down into what that person should be preparing for.
      4. Never talk online about meatspace activities, giving group names, members, locations. That’s basic opsec. If you do, it’ll attract more attention from the #2’s.
      5. Train generally, and in your chosen specialty area. Planning for specific ops can’t happen until side “y” goes active. Train with others if possible, to let each other sync up on talents and capabilities. Never discuss specific ops.
      6. Find things to do that keep side “x” engaged while minimizing the scrutiny of side “y”. Brandon’s “I did that” stickers are everywhere.

      That’s just the way it is now, in my opinion. Side “x” has to operate behind the lines in hostile territory for the time being. If side “x” is ever able to reclaim space, it will have the same problem the Tea Party folks failed to recognize and deal with: parasites and saboteurs from within and without, who work only for the acquisition and retention of power, and betrayal of side “x”. It’s been this way for 12,000 years since the first two cities starting fighting over farmland and trade route taxes.

      It’s clear now what went down on J6. The Feds had a specific op to take down the III% and the PBs. The Feds had traitors within both organizations that convinced them to take action, i.e. enter the Capitol. But then the whole op went sideways with the mass influx. But the Feds realized they could expand their scope, and started throwing lots of peaceful folks in jail and treat them real bad without consequencepour encourager les autres. All the Feds are all in on this, there is no longer equal justice under the law. State, county, big proggro city also. There is no justice, only power. Soon, they will go too far.

    • John A. Fleming January 19, 2022, 10:35 PM

      Hi Mr. Dirk, why are you casting out bait like that? That’s like Ray Epps on J5 telling everyone they have to go to the Capitol. You do that often enough here that it makes me wonder if you are still working for the Man. My preparations for the future I anticipate are nobody’s business but my own. If you’ve concluded that I’m of no consequence, then I’m pleased.

    • John G Condon January 20, 2022, 6:00 PM

      I’m good, Dirk.

      I have access to a house in the mountains that can use a wood burning for heat and cooking. On one side of the property is a babbling brook untouched by anyone as there is no one above the house.

      No electricity, no propane, no problem.

      Just stock up on sacks of dry food and vitamins and I’m set.

      All I need is a banjo.

  • Double XX January 20, 2022, 7:11 AM

    Mr. Fleming for the WIN!!!!

    • Mike Seyle January 20, 2022, 9:12 AM

      Agree. Seems to be a self-correcting site that Mr. Van der Leun has established. I’m sure he planned it out just this way.

  • RedBeard January 20, 2022, 10:33 AM

    I grow weary of the panic, the anger, and the complaining of the masses considering the deep and wide damage that has happened to our nation.

    Yes, we are in harsh times, and yes, we are seemingly overrun with evil people who are bent on the destruction of our freedoms and rights.
    The question is- have you LET THEM do it, or are you taking steps to combat it?

    If every conservative were to take on and destroy 3 (or more) liberals, the destruction would cease within a year.
    How to destroy them? You might be thinking a bullet to the head, but that’s not what I’m recommending. (although it is 100% effective)

    >Cease all services and products to them.
    > Cease all contact with them.
    > Burn their bridges for them. Letters to places they shop or do trade with, accusing the establishments as ‘racist’ or ‘Nazi’ works well.
    > Ruin their reputation with their employer.
    > Turn others against them, especially their peers. It’s easy to get their liberals suspicious of at them with real, false, or planted evidence, rumors, etc. Target their co-workers, families, and “social associates.” Spoofer emails and fake social media accounts can work well.
    > If they are your employees, lay them off. Blame Covid or financial woes, etc.
    > If they are a relative, remove them from your will and let them know why.
    >Infiltrate their associations and destroy from within. Become an ‘ally’ or ‘pal’ and learn their weaknesses and hypocrisies, use them accordingly. (It may take patience and a strong stomach to do so.)
    > Encourage their abuse of alcohol and illegal drugs. (easily done)
    > Use their own tactics against them- “doxxing”, etc.
    > Send donations to, or purchase memberships in their name with extremist groups. I recommend ones like “NAMBLA.”
    > Anonymously spread rumors of them of “snitching” on local criminal gangs.
    The list is endless.

    I’ve been doing this for years as a hobby, and it’s incredibly rewarding.
    Why fight “clean” when your enemies always fight dirty?

  • Cobb January 20, 2022, 10:46 AM

    For quite some time, I tried to maintain a thread in my writing called ‘The Downside’, but I could never maintain it. Considering the probabilities for dysfunction to take over always finds me looking for more righteous and comfortable partnerships. The problem with the Omega Man is that he must lead children – he has no equals, no one to play chess with, no worthy adversaries, only zombie enemies out for his head. That was his failure, to assume fraternity without actually making strong links.

    I expect the US to go feudal by degrees. That means blood oaths will have to take place sooner or later. So what’s stopping us is out fascination for the amount of shit others are capable of dispensing. Well, pull your heads out of the toilet and get back to the kitchen.

    • Vanderleun January 20, 2022, 11:57 AM

      Cobb! Good to see you and hear from you.

    • John G Condon January 20, 2022, 6:07 PM

      “I expect the US to go feudal by degrees. ”

      Just ‘refused’ service for a second time at a fast food restaurant for the second time within the last month.

      Things are getting crazy here in my hometown of MPLS MN – and I’m not POC.

      • Gordon Scott January 21, 2022, 1:02 PM

        John G,
        Things have fully gotten crazy in Minneapolis. It’s why I struck out for Arizona this past April. I miss my mechanic, a couple of restaurants, and that golden light you get on a fall day. Today it’s 13 degrees in Minneapolis and 71 in Phoenix.

        Phoenix area has some crazies. But nothing like Minneapolis.