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Civil War? If It Starts It Will Be Uglier Than Anyone Can Imagine

“The first time I walked up on some really, honest to God dead soldiers, I must have jumped back six feet. Burnt, charred, frozen in time at the moment of death & look of shock & horror upon their faces.” —  J J in Comments

Even if a day of reckoning arrives it’s unlikely to be one of our choosing. Like everything else of actual importance, it will burst on us like a sudden downpour, unbidden and unexpected. The list of survivors will be lengthy if not all inclusive. Specifics of how it all went down will be uncovered and argued generations later, to the interest of no one save antiquarians. —  OlRemus @ Woodpile Report

Everybody needs to just Chill. Out. Needs to sit down. Needs to take a breath and say the Serenity Prayer. And mean it.

Fair warning about what a US Civil War will be like comes over clearly in this off the cuff comment to the article An Impending Shooting Civil War in [Market-Ticker]

Read carefully. It will be covered on the Final. Emphasis added.

How does it start? Nobody knows but given the misappropriation of power to the USSC, and wholesale cultural revolution that has been imposed through the USSC over the past 60 years, this is likely the flashpoint. Kavanaugh is the primer, and the main charge will be when Trump replaces Ruth Bader Ginsburg. The Left is going to come completely unglued since they know that they will be closed off to cultural imposition through the courts for the lifetimes of everyone in the “back 9” of life.

They will be all-in on the Brown Wave voting them into power, to which DJT is a direct threat.

I’ve tried but failed to recall a single secular-progressive political movement of any note that has accepted defeat at the ballot box and supported the electoral results. Our Sec-Progs are on the cusp of realizing such a defeat.

That’s why I think we are close. From the Left’s point of view, it’s either accept defeat at the hands of people they truly believe are subhuman or start shooting the subhumans.

A weary soldier of the Bosnian Army Fifth Corps’ elite 502 “Tigers” brigade rests against a wall before heading home October 14 after his unit captured a strategic town from separatist Serb forces in the latest government offensive.

The Right looks at the history of sec-prog genocide and economic ruin (see the original post in this thread by Karl), and how the Left wants their guns, and they are genuinely scared. I’ve posted at least 100 times on TF a video of how the FBI infiltrated the Weather Underground back in the 70s and how the principals in that organization were discussing the wholesale liquidation of 1/8 of the US population, which at the time was 25 million, because they wouldn’t go along with “the new way of thinking.” This would include Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dorn.

FILE In this Monday, June 22, 1992 file photo a wounded Sarajevo resident sits in shock next to two other seriously wounded civilians moments after one of several mortar shells landed in central Sarajevo.

The civil war has been talked about quite a bit. Some foolishly believe it will follow the template of the previous two, which was largely geographically based because both side fundamentally had the same culture. This won’t happen.

I live in a so-called “deep blue” state. Does anyone think that if the balloon goes up, I’m going to run out with my AR-15 and join the “Washington State Progressive Stormtrooper Brigade” just because I live here?

No, what is going to happen is much more complex and simple at the same time.

I am a conservative, White, male, Christian that is a veteran. My neighbor is a dope-smoking, atheist, Communist, attorney. He knows I am armed and knows my cultural preference. I know he is likely armed.

If the shooting starts in St Louis, Chicago, Portland, and Metro Seattle, it will spread. If it is open season on conservatives, those getting shot are going to get nervous and itchy very quickly.

How do I mow my lawn, given that my neighbor may shoot me dead? How does he smoke his dope in his backyard, given that he has the same fear from his gun collecting, kook-fringe, fascist, racist, neighbor that is just aching to force his dusty religion upon him?

How do I fly airplanes, given that I can’t leave the house? How does he take the ferry to Seattle to practice law? How does the Sheriff deputy leave his house, given that his two daughters would be in danger from his Democrat-Socialist neighbor? Who drives the food trucks? Who operates the local power plant? Who delivers the gasoline?


Society grinds to a halt, and there are too many guns and too much hatred (cultural) to impose any kind of order through martial law. The US is too big. Once the shooting gets underway, it is here for good. It will be neighbor on neighbor until ghettos are cleared out and warlords rise.

It’s not like everyone will be walking around with red and blue hats, to make the IFF easy. Every encounter will be “good Black or bad Black?” “Good White or bad White?” “Good Mexican or bad Mexican?” “Good college prof or bad college prof?” “F150. good, Prius bad, or vice-versa.”

Get it wrong, and you are dead unless you shoot first.”

Oh, ****…..

The money supply will become glacial. Nobody will have money since the banking system will undoubtedly collapse, since nobody is working. That will put gasoline on a raging fire of hatred.

The grand experiment in civic nationalism will be, yet again, a failure. Tribal loyalties will come to the fore, for no other reason than survival.

I served in Bosnia during the 1990s. It was a shit-show like nothing we have seen (in Europe) since WW2. I remember flying over Sarajevo ten years after the Olympics were held there, and the Olympic village was a mass-cemetery. Africa had similar (Rwanda), and it was deeply personal. It still had ethnic and geographical considerations, whereas we do not.

Forget “red state vs blue state” or “red county vs blue county” or even “rural vs urban.” The war will be on your street, and most will bunker down in their homes until the food and water run out. After that, I can’t model what will happen.

Unfortunately, I don’t see how a peace can be achieved. It was easy with Japan when 1/3 of the US wanted Japan destroyed down to the last man. Japan and the US are 8000 miles apart. Your neighbor is 100 feet away, and the contempt born of familiarity will be impossible to extinguish.

It’s uglier than anyone can imagine.

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  • ghostsniper October 2, 2018, 9:35 AM

    Parasites get ground under the boots of those they attack.
    I believe there will be financial collapse before bullets fly.

  • jwm October 2, 2018, 10:19 AM

    Made me think of this:

    So I read it again. It’s short.
    And then I thought of the rhetoric we now hear from the “resistance”.
    I fear they would indeed pray that, and do so with a clear conscience.


  • Jewel October 2, 2018, 10:28 AM

    If Trump is assassinated, there will be unbridled celebration among the sky people. It won’t be masked. The Manipulators of Perception have been stoking these fires for a very long time.
    And then some hot shot Air Force and Navy pilots will turn those funerial orgies in Blue Enclavia into deep smoking craters. One hopes.

  • Wildman October 2, 2018, 10:53 AM

    Whats funny is that the leaders of the”revolution” think they will sit back and bask in what they have wrought. I would not want to be in ayers, dorn or plivems shoes when the shtf

  • Richard October 2, 2018, 11:06 AM

    Jewel, interesting thought about the military response to such an outrage. I’m mostly in your camp regarding your scenario, although I wonder how the Dog Eater’s eight years have factionalized the esprit de corp of our military. With every passing day I am increasingly convinced that there is a mass mental illness that has been loosed on the left. It seems they will have their civil war no matter the cost. I cannot comprehend the hubris that would lead one to believe that; my side will emerge triumphant out of the chaos. You might find Kurt Schlichter’s People’s Republic and Indian Country interesting and entertaining reads regarding Civil War 2.0.

  • tim October 2, 2018, 11:28 AM

    “It will be uglier than anyone can imagine”
    Versus what we’re all presently witnessing? Who could have imagined anything close to what we now have as our new normal?

    It ain’t gonn’a get better and this shit is long past a semblance of “United”. Let the bodies hit the floor.

  • Gordon Scott October 2, 2018, 11:54 AM

    I recall reading about how, about the time that Bill Ayers was predicting 25 million dead, a bomb went off in New York City, killing two. It made page 7 of the Times. Things were a lot more violent then, in 1970, than now.

    Of course, Ayers, Dohrn et al are running the Democratic party now. One thing Project Veritas has shown us is that there are some tactically smart people over there.

  • Jewel October 2, 2018, 12:16 PM

    I often wonder about the subversion of our military. Does anyone really believe that the trannies, faggots, dykes and other mental cripples inflating the ranks of Obama’s military can do real damage? They have demoralized the rank and file. For now. While these traitors may have rank and position, but they lack discipline and ability.
    I really don’t worry about the patriotism of highly skilled pilots and infantryman. Their training demands absolute excellence. I don’t think it can be twisted to the whims of talentless affirmative action recruits and superiors. If such a coup happens, the victory parades for the insurrection will not materialize. I hope there are firing squads for members of Congress, the Organs, and the Filth Column in the press and academia. When The war is over.

  • Rick October 2, 2018, 3:05 PM

    My Dad took me back to school one Sunday afternoon so we could talk. This was in the mid sixties and he wanted me to know that I would have to be the man of the family soon because there was going to be a violent revolution and he would be captured or killed very quickly. Obviously it didn’t happen nor did it come anywhere remotely close to happening. It’s not going to happen now. The thought that well trained pilots will turn their guns and bombs on groups of lefties is the stuff of a bad reaction to drugs. Read up on the Irish revolution and then tell me who will make the first sacrifice like they did.

  • Haxo Angmark October 2, 2018, 4:06 PM

    indications are

    that a confluence of cultural, political, and economic crises

    will occur during then late summer run-in to the 2020 election.

    the (((high rollers))), looking to manage the systemic collapse and preserve their own wealth, will – over a long weekend – convert all their dollar-denominated paper assets into gold, silver, food, and anything else with intrinsic value. By the end of that long weekend – maybe Labor Day weekend in early September – the dollar (along with the rest of the (((financial system)))) will be in free fall and by mid-week the banks will have been run and grocery stores emptied.

    then we – and they – can get down to settling scores. IFF will be simple: urban White cosmics, Jews (except for Ron Unz), and their ethnic orc enforcers – Blacks, mestizos, Muslims, Asians – will be shot on sight. They, OTOH, will be killing everything White. I feel truly sorry for the urban Whites…whom no one will like.

    the jew.gov, incidentally will attempt to intervene on behalf of the urban Reds. But it won’t matter. Because both police and military will shortly disintegrate after the dollar dies.

  • Spurt Reynolds October 2, 2018, 4:20 PM

    My biggest worry is that even after the Senate is 60 plus republican and the supreme court is 7-2 or 8-1 conservative, that the libs start assignating judges when they get their chance.

    They were pulling the country left slowly but surely and then they got greedy and woke everyone up with crazy talk like no free speech, transgender men in women’s bathrooms and the war on white men.

    Now They are Reaping the consequencess. So F them.

  • Skorpion October 2, 2018, 4:32 PM

    @Hako: Funny — I’ve heard 2020 mentioned by insider-types around *PoMo Disneyland* — the urban Bay Area — as the year when everything goes to shit. Other than that, I can’t endorse your TURNER-DIARIES scenario; should the Great Meltdown occur, it’s gonna be a lot more complicated than a simple race war, as our host’s essay, and the linked pieces, make clear.

    @Rick — am hoping you’re right. I’ve been fearing *The Great Fall* ever since I became a politically- and socially aware teen four decades ago, and somehow The End never arrives. The Cassandra/Pangloss dialectic I’ve heard for the last few decades all brings to mind this (approximate) quote by some nameless British cynic: “There will be no Doomsday. Nor will there be a Utopia. Things will go along as they always have — that is to say, rather badly.”

  • vlad October 2, 2018, 4:49 PM

    It strikes me as so bizarre that some people remain fixated on the Jewish People. I realize that some of them are with the group that would see us all living a second or third-class life among third-world peoples with them in control. But the global banking elites are made up of all types of people in all fields — certainly tech has as much power as the bankers these days.

    What bothers me is that Bush, Clinton, McConnell’s wife, Bill Gates — all these folks are on the CFR, and when you overlap the remaining activists and would-be rulers in Davos and the Bilderbergers and the folks who worship the giant owl up in the redwoods…there are too many people not mentioned, not considered, not talked about, while the Jewzzzzz are to blame for it all.

    Here’s the problem. That results in the middle-class family down the street and the kids serving in the IDF and others like them taking the blame and facing what could be violent repercussions…and these wealthy, corrupt wasps and other non-semites (pick anyone in congress other than the Freedom Caucus) — What are the odds that they are Jewish? What are the odds that they are actively involved in pushing for “comprehensive immigration reform,” wanting to add more grants and advisors for “diversity in schools”, or voting down a Constitutionalist nominee for the Supreme Court?

    ThEY are our enemies. These are the generals and admirals in the military of useful idiots that are chasing us down, harassing us, doxing us and threatening us unless we bow down to their PC view of the world, which means the end of sovereignty and back to BO’s “better get used to it — those jobs are not coming back” world.

    The global elite are our enemy. They are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, atheists, Deists, etc. To write about our difficulties — and push the idea that the Jooz are behind it all — lays the blame on those innocents who are on our side while letting a huge segment of those fighting to take away our country….go free.

  • Vanderleun October 2, 2018, 4:57 PM

    I concur heartily with Vlad here.

  • ghostsniper October 2, 2018, 6:02 PM

    I’ve never had a problem with anyone specifically because they were jewish. Hell, most of the time I don’t know if they are or not, if their name isn’t a clue. Regardless, over the last 40 years I’ve had many business engagements with jews and their money works like everybody else’s.

    Having said that. I lived in Germany for 3 years, 74-77, just 30 years after the end of WWII. Think, can you remember clearly things that happened 30 years ago? I can. I asked a variety of people in Germany how could such a thing happen like the holocaust and without exception everyone of them said it didn’t happen the way you think. I didn’t speak real good german and they didn’t speak real good english so the conversations were difficult and not as rewarding as I’d hoped.

    From the mid 90’s to current I have asked question about the whole jewish phenom many times, especially the holocaust stuff and again without exception I have been called names, ridiculed and told to “go educate yourself idiot!”, etc., and was even banned from a few sites. So I mostly stay back away from that stuff.

    We have our pets cremated when they die and since moving here to the woods 4 cats and 2 dogs have passed on. The couple that cremates our pets also do the same with people and have a relationship with the gov’t to do all the indigents and other people unable to afford a traditional funeral. The husband of the couple told me that there is no way in hell the numbers work for that holocaust. It takes a very long to reduce a human body to ash. 6 or 7 million in the number of ovens touted is not physically possible. That was a couple years ago when he told me that and I pondered it a bit and then moved on.

    It’s just one more of those things in history that doesn’t make sense and the boilerplate template is the best you’re ever going to get. Since then I have stepped off, I don’t care about any of it. The holocaust, JFK, 9-11, Iraq, all of it doesn’t need to make sense any more cause all of it comes from the same entity that is at the root of the largest criminal enterprise this world has ever known and from here on out the best I can do is try to keep it from effecting me in any way, and stay out of it’s way. I just don’t have any more fucks to give.

  • ghostsniper October 2, 2018, 6:07 PM

    All these gullible folks that haven’t been paying attention and think gov’t employee’s, in uniform and not, won’t shoot their ass in the face. You got another think coming but when it comes it will be too late.

    6 months after the lead starts flying, 80 million will be dead or dying.
    The world has never seen anything on this scale, not even one one-hundredth of it.

  • H October 2, 2018, 6:10 PM

    Some folk look back at the American civil war with rose colored glasses and forget Sherman marching thru Georgia and South Carolina and Sheridan dancing in the blood of the Shenandoah. The Bosnia of their time for the residents of those areas who lived thru it, and those who did not…….

    Fans of Boomer Anthems, and who here is not, should consider that sung to the tune of The Night They Drove Old Dixie Down by The Band, not Joan Baez, who couldn’t be bothered to get the history of the lyrics down correctly.

    If you want to know what it will look like for flyover country, read up on the Indian depredations on the Texas/Oklahoma frontier.

  • Kauf Buch October 2, 2018, 6:25 PM

    So much Battered Conservative Syndrome here.
    I can imagine multiple efforts at destabilization by the Left (at all levels) but,
    once the trials/military tribunals start and the traitors start filling up gitmo,
    I suspect most on the Left will “sober up,” and this country will be able to move ahead in (relative) peace.

  • Marica October 2, 2018, 6:28 PM

    “I often wonder about the subversion of our military.”

    A short story. I was at a small academic workshop this weekend. Philosophy & Neuroscience. It’s a thing– and it can be very interesting. One of the presenter’s talk focused on AI & variations of. He wound his way down the road that no machine has past the Turning Test. Round the bend of Westworld, what does it mean … etc.

    All very entertaining, thought provoking, etc.

    And then the question. If a Data– a machine that learns morality– could evolve, and would be stronger than we, what do we humans do?

    So far so good, right?

    And then he put up some slides about the Deep South– God Fearing, Gun Totting, Etc.– and for about a half a breath I thought he was going to say that we’ll never be conquered by machines b/c Country Folk Will Survive.

    But I was mistaken. We are ignorant, don’t you know? We’re so stupid we don’t get global warming!

    I am ashamed I did not walk out. But I did vent out on the curb after the talk while convening with other smokers.

    I said, “I want you to know that I am armed. I have a loaded firearm on my person. That pissed me off. It was insulting. But note that I did take out my weapon and aim it at Stuffelbeam.”

    The response? “That’s because you are a rational person.”

    Like my neighbors who own and carry guns aren’t rational?

    The presenter– the guy who doesn’t like folks in the Deep South– is a former Marine. And I don’t mean rank & file be a Marine out of high school. I mean Smart guy Marine.

    So, yeah. It’s comforting to trust the military, thinking they are all Mattis. But it ain’t so.

  • John The River October 2, 2018, 6:34 PM

    Yes. We came in on the wrong side in the Balkans Wars.
    It was the beginning of the pattern; arming , training and supporting the Islamic terrorists.

    How different the history of the 21st Century would have started if we hadn’t allowed that strategic mistake to be made.

  • Gordon Scott October 2, 2018, 7:00 PM

    No one ever claimed that the Nazis pushed seven million through the ovens. Many died simply by being shot and shoved into a big hole. Even at Auschwitz there were mass graves holding tens of thousands of bodies.

    I am sure you are aware of this. You’re probably aware also that the Nazi’s creamatoria were designed to operate differently from the one-at-a-time units your friends operate. The Nazis did not need to keep remains discrete from others, and there were no consequences if ash belched from the chimneys. They had plenty of labor to haul ashes and incompletely consumed bones away.

    It is like comparing Grandma’s wood-fired oven baked bread to what rolls out of an industrial bakery. The process is so different that Grandma’s dough won’t work in the big bakery, and their dough won’t work in hers. Grandma could turn out perhaps 24 loaves a day if she really pushed it. The factory beats her total in one second.

  • rabbit tobacco October 2, 2018, 9:15 PM

    I believe most of the warfare will take place in the major cities. The military will surround and wait them out. Food supplies will be gone quickly; cut power and water, round them up put ’em camps until we can sort it out.

  • BJM October 2, 2018, 9:18 PM

    In the 80’s I worked with Serb emigres in the UK and the hatred was visceral. I tied to talk them around to a new way of thinking, that they had a chance to begin again, especially for their children. To set the past aside. No way. Scores needed to be settled. These were middle class, well educated people not wild-eyed peasants with pitchforks (that’s where the really ugly rubber met the road).

    The Serbs and Croats have been at odds for a thousand years, over religious differences and empire, but WWII was the catalyst for the The 1992-95 Homelands War.

    The defeat of Yugoslavia in 1941 by the combined forces of Germany, Italy and Hungary led almost immediately to the establishment of a puppet Government called the Independent State of Croatia. Its avowedly fascist leader, Ante Pavelic, began a campaign of mass killing against Serbs.

    More than 350,000 Serbs were killed in World War II, the majority in massacres by the fascist forces. Serbian guerrillas called Chetniks retaliated against Croats wherever they could. At the end of the war, the Communist Partisans — by this time including a large number of Serbs — killed more than 100,000 Croatian prisoners of war. Altogether more than 1,500,000 Yugoslavs died in the war, the majority at the hands of other Yugoslavs.

    Since 1995 NATO and the EU has patched together an economically based peace, but the deeply rooted tribal animosities remain, and one day they will re-emerge.

    Our “melting pot” was the one thing the US had going for it. It smoothed over our ethnic/cultural differences and made us stronger as Americans. In the post war prosperity the Left saw it’s opportunity to hyphenate Americans into grievance based tribes. Now is the time that tribal scores are being toted up. The settling will come later.

    The Left is on a speeding crazy train and who knows how, or when it will derail…but I agree, it’s going to make one hell of a mess.

  • ghostsniper October 3, 2018, 3:33 AM

    Gordon, I understand.
    I only gave a very small sampling of what I have learned, and don’t really want to get into it any more.
    It only brings grief to all concerned. It’s a strange subject matter, like no other, and that in itself is strange. There were far more jews killed, during that period, than existed. That’s my last words on this.

  • Dan Patterson October 3, 2018, 6:45 AM

    People are oddly attracted to liberty or to tyranny. And the attraction is to be either as a member of the herd, or as one of the chosen who rule. Liberty minded people are largely interested in doing their own ruling, so the political leadership is a necessarily small wad of policy wonks and admins; the herd is large and the leadership is not. Tyrants are the opposite with squads of insiders and battalions of enforcement goons; the goal is to ensure repression and grease the wheels of the bureau with your rendered fat.
    The division might go along personality lines: Introverts and self-confident types are repelled by authoritarian demands, but the thin egos of the needy and those seeking constant approval require someone else to be in charge. And isn’t that a common theme in literature and myth?
    As for the coming conflict I agree the initial confrontation might break across tribal identification with early hysteria mimicking the crowd-think after a flood or earthquake. Not long after there will be an uneasy peace and ideological divides become clear divisions between the factions. Naive communists will attempt to steal and occupy while seasoned private property adherents mine no-man’s-land and string barbed wire. The more brazen communists might attempt a frontal assault on one state capital or another but the general population is not sympathetic to mob rule and any success will be short lived. Any captured ground is surrounded, starved, and retaken. Supporters of communist rule could mount street fights but against an armed population thirsting for revenge that effort will be a short and bloody exercise in futility.
    As for the rose-colored War Between the States, yes it was both a Napoleonic affair of massed infantry and a nascent guerrilla effort, both were nightmarish for everyone involved. And the odious Baez with her mis-read of the lyric (“so much cavalry…”. Really? ), and that lame-assed lamenting voice is only bested by the more odious Seeger and the era’s merry band of propaganda pukes. The globalists, the “duh-VERSE-uh-tee” Czarists, rainbow coalitions, and sociopaths are direct descendants of that muck. Those are the enemy.
    To those seeking a “fundamental change of the United States of America” by force or influence: You have no idea how badly many people WANT you to try it.

  • Tom October 3, 2018, 6:49 AM

    I c someone is mailing ricin krispies to conservatives now.

  • OneGuy October 3, 2018, 8:55 AM

    RE: “Sherman marching thru Georgia and South Carolina”
    This is how wars are ended. No one “likes” it and that is the point. You end a war by killing the enemy and in a war civilians and cities support their armies and thus these civilians and cities are the enemy. Would it have been better, more humane to continue killing soldiers for a few more years instead of bringing the war to Georgia and ending it??? I don’t know but I’ll bet the soldiers who survived the end of the war where happy it was over even if it took a terrible price to end it. All war devolves to terrible tragedy and death, that is the only way to end them. The nuclear bombing of Japan ended the war and ironically probably saved 20 million Japanese deaths that would have happened if we invaded Japan.

  • Roger D October 3, 2018, 9:16 AM

    Let’s call a spade a spade. Virtually all of our enemies have one thing in common, they are city-dwellers. They have used the central government to destroy America and her traditional values. Yes we in rural areas have traitors amongst us. Most are not hard-core Commies. They will do the math and have a sudden change in heart. The others may not fare well.

    Cities produce weak people with no useful skill sets or production abilities. Why bother with them when they will destroy themselves? Let God sort things out. We rural patriot families will be challenged with just surviving and organizing tribes when the collapse comes. And we will have home-grown bad guys to deal with. City dwellers will wait for government to show up and rescue them. Few will dare leave the only environment they know and venture into a world foreign and hostile to them. If a Chevy Volt or Prius should stumble upon you then vet them, especially if they have children or needed skills.

    As for how our military or foreign militaries will factor in, we just don’t know. But we do know that rural folks have hundreds of millions of guns and metric tons of ammo. Seems like a decent deterrent. And last but not least, Christ still rules our valleys.

  • Alaska Paul October 3, 2018, 10:12 AM

    What you have here is a hydra. Most people are followers. Remember what Hercules did to the Hydra. He cut off each head and then cauterized the neck to prevent regrowth. We are facing a hydra. Not insurmountable when one analyzes the problem.

  • T S Adams October 3, 2018, 10:38 AM

    #1 Wars of this magnitude have long lead-in times.

    #2 In judgement God is lifting His hand of protection
    from the USA. The war will start when and only when
    He pulls the trigger. Read in the OT the fall of Jerusalem
    and weep for your country.

    #3 While it is raging all of the middle east will form up
    and attack Israel. And then cometh the end.

  • mtnforge October 3, 2018, 10:41 AM

    I believe in the end America, us as people who believe in what we are as a Republic, in our basic decency, and our great prudence and tolerance, we prevail against evil. I think we surprise everyone, including our selves. We are made of better stuff than our enemies, and just because they have remained unaccountable and essentially untouchable does not make us weak or cowards, we are just people who want to live and let live at heart. Who isn’t like this reading these words?
    That same dynamic doesn’t automatically confer on us an inability to fight, fight well, and win. Quite the contrary or I wasn’t born a natural Patriotic American.
    And I cab say this because I’m not the kind of guy who will let others die for my natural rights, my family, my tribe, my community and not my Republic, which still exists at the least in hearts, minds, preserved in history and documents. It does not no longer exist because of revisionists and cultural marxist say it doesn’t. Fuck. You.

    I look around me and see many things, the 1st is within the sphere of my entire life I know not one single cultural marxist. Not one person who poo poo’s MAGA, or what Mr Trump has accomplished and promises. There is no one I have even heard of who intends the destruction of America as we know it. My wife who has a Faceborg page, she has one loony toons cousin who believes Obama should still be president. So in the entire range and scale of both our lives, there is one avowed dirty stinking commie.
    I work in the coal mines, it has the most amazing grapevine imaginable. You find out everything. There’s a few thousand coal miners across WV, we have CB radio’s in all surface equipment, Truckers in and out of the coal load outs 24/7, we have company 2 meter radio’s with a fantastic repeater system, in every Boss’s and Superintendents trucks, and usually in every raw and clean coal pile dozers and loaders so there’s always somebody with both radio’s to communicate with everyone, we even have underground radio systems now. The comm’s are like no other along with the HillBilly grapevine. Tramming out on the man trip or riding up the elevator, you get to hear and talk about everything, from home or the latest news, and in 10 years as a coal miner I have never heard of a single guy who was nothing but patriotic and God fearing, and that goes for all the people we all know and discuss outside the mining industry. Zilch. Big Fat Zero. There’s no cultural marxist, at least they ain’t letting on if there are in my AO and in the course of my daily affairs outside my AO.
    Now granted WV has a population a little over a million, county I live in, larger than the state of Rhode Island, has 2,400 households. Where are all the fucking commies? Do they live in some isolated enclave? Concentrated in Urban hives? How much a figment of an illusion of power are they? Could they even be noticeable if they didn’t have a strangle hold on the fake media and pass their diktat thru every dishonest corrupt means while not having passed legislation honestly in 7 decades, or more, that gives them an appearance of this majority of the people?

    I don’t buy into this civil war yet. No Sir. Not till it gets going if it does. I’m saying when the rubber meets the road and antifa our whatever paid goons try starting shit out in dirt people land where I live they are going to disappear never to be seen or heard from again. Only the tree’s will know where they are buried.

    Will it get terrible, maybe, but I know no more or less than any of us here, except I know for certain, there ain’t any enemies where I and a lot of others live.
    America ain’t a postage stamp country the size of Yugoslavia. Its one fuck of an expansive prosperous honest live and let live majority of people who have amazing tolerance and the gift of Prudence. We are apt to suffer assaults on our character culture race and faith far more than any people on Earth. That in no way confer’s we are easy targets or pushovers, that the dirty fucking stinking commies are gonna waltz into our towns and onto our farms and homesteads and have their genocide go their way. No spree bub. Not me. Not those I know, nor my community, ain’t gonna happen for our part.
    And that is all I know 1st hand God’s honest truth. All the rest looks like unadulterated horse shit to me created by bullshit artists from another world.

    And you can pass blame on the dirt people all you want, but it isn’t us who created the Bankster crime racket and the political class at the table of spoils, nor the fucking 1 world order crap, nor are we bigots or race prejudiced people, you can take all that and shove it up your arse.
    In the end, as it always is, it is always and nobody else purview, the dirt people are who have ever effected positive change on this world. No one else. Dare you to name any others.

  • James October 3, 2018, 10:48 AM

    I really hope things do not get that bad,that said,prepare the best I can while still enjoying the day.

    It may be too late to avoid this,but,that said,I think I am going to get to know me neighbor who wants to cut his lawn without getting shot and the neighbor that just wants to smoke a joint in his back yard without getting shot,perhaps on a very local level can avoid all of us getting shot.

  • TS Adams October 3, 2018, 11:01 AM

    I read the war prayer and it’s nonsense and
    should be deleted. It is said that judgement
    always begins at the house of God. First He
    punishes the rebellious of His Own. Then
    He slaughters those wicked that He used to
    punish them.

    By the way He always hides, protects and
    defends the righteous. Not the sinless but
    the righteous blood bought by Christ.

    Read the Bible, find out what’s going on.

  • Boat Guy October 3, 2018, 11:15 AM

    I wish you well in your endeavor.
    I’m with you despite being on another end of the country. Where I live I see – and work with – plenty of commies. The small city I live and work in might not be evenly split but is IS split; as is our state. We’ll see what next month brings.
    Regardless of the election results I fully expect the left to go kinetic. I’d rather they didn’t, but I don’t get to make that call. I can tell you it won’t go well for the left. Some of us will die too, but that’s OK; you gotta die of something sometime.
    As for the left it was said best elsewhere – “People who don’t know the meaning of ‘sub-MOA’ should not pick fights with those who do”.

  • Ben Raines October 3, 2018, 11:34 AM

    Overall, you hit the nail on the head. The one thing that you didn’t touch on is the urban effect of the left. Our cities are bastions of progressive ideology, these cities are not self sufficient. These cities also hold a huge population that has no desire to fight but are completely dependant on public assistance. These cities also have private armies in the way of drug dealing gangs. Once the daily food trucks stop rolling, once the !ass importation of drugs ends, due to a worthless currency. Once the EBT system can’t feed them, it will be a new game.

    For instance, what does happen to the population of Chicago if there is no food and no government to provide and keep them in check?

    Rural and surburban areas also have many of the same issues.

    There will be more than two sides in this up coming conflict, it will be multidimensional.

  • Karg October 3, 2018, 12:26 PM


  • ghostsniper October 3, 2018, 12:31 PM

    Your skin is your uniform.

  • RDG October 3, 2018, 3:13 PM

    Even if the city hordes come into the countryside looking for food they will be severely disappointed. US food production is highly specialized and a farm isn’t a grocery store. Feed corn isn’t corn flakes, soy beans aren’t tofu, cow milk doesn’t come in jugs (well jugs of a sort, but she goes dry in a few days if not milked), and steaks are found on the living body of a pretty ornery animal. Not going to be pretty. But it’s going to downright fascinating to watch. Like a multi-car pileup in slow motion. Unless they can raid the farmer’s pantry, city folks are going to be disappointed in what there is for food on a farm in America. All better pray there is no civil war.

  • pdxr13 October 3, 2018, 3:47 PM

    In every election, I see propositions that are some plank of the CPUSA from 1935. People are sympathetic and can’t/won’t afford to help from their own pockets, but think that the rich old White men can afford to and shall, by passing this Law. Recently, the issue was “Schools that are seismically unsafe from the impending Richter 9+ quake” that got a bond passed for a Billion bucks, now it’s the “homeless” who need free apartments forever. These are holes to make friends/cronies of politicians rich, because they can never be fixed perfectly. No amount of money spent on Administrative Palaces with attached classrooms will improve test scores. Importing damaged and foreign children is certain to cause distraction and dilution of local smart kids, along with higher overall costs. Soon, there will be a “crisis” of too few “students” meeting the criteria to actually graduate from HS, due to the new stricter requirements and minimum knowledge test. No problem, since we can waive the requirements for “disadvantaged groups” and hire “culturally-aware” tutors for them.
    Cities are not just full of soft welfare abusers making babies and staying high. There are jobs making things and distributing things. There are thinking people doing research. Portland has brewing and distilling big industry as well as micro-industries. The local governments are corrupt, but the best people are busy so the worst people who have avoided death/prison get into government.

    Why did the German government prohibit ground penetrating radar surveys of the WWII camp burial areas? They don’t want to know, or you to know, how many of the “12M dead” made it into the ground. The notion that the Germans didn’t need the same BTU’s to cremate a body as now pre-supposes some sort of ubermensch space-alien technology? Star Trek disintegrators? BTW, there was a fuels shortage in Germany starting in 1940 when the Soviets stopped sending coal. Let’s see: lack of fuels=lack of corpse incineration=the bodies are there, or lack of fuels=not very many corpses=few bodies, some ash? I’ve met an old guy with a camp number tattoo on his arm, and he wasn’t lying about his own experience. It was not good, but he wasn’t worked to death, and he made it to Seattle in 1982. This is my experience as well: “War is hell, and a Revolution can be worse than war.”

  • Matt Bracken October 3, 2018, 4:28 PM

    I wrote this a number of years ago, it’s been read thousands of times, FWIW. Search it, and you’ll see it has been reblogged many, many times.
    “When The Music Stops – How America’s Cities May Explode In Violence”

  • Ward Dorrity October 3, 2018, 4:42 PM

    I’ve watched this inevitable slide into an American degringolade for years. I’m not as strong or as agile as I used to be. And I am now well past giving a shit. The Left wants to get frisky? Fine. I’ve got a Little List.

  • Mike October 3, 2018, 6:05 PM

    Interesting article, though I think there is one important element to a full scale civil war not mentioned. That being if our entire infrastructure is in ruins, and the government and military are for all intents and purposes non-functional; then we are a prime target to be “liberated”, by a foreign power(s). Also, really f@$king sad to see so called adults blaming the problems of the world on “Jews, tranys, blacks…” etc, whatever else it is that your micropenis makes you afraid of.

  • Gordon Scott October 3, 2018, 7:53 PM

    There are no foreign powers with the capability to sustain a force in hostile territory. Even Canada, which used to punch well above its weight, had to beg the US to fly a humanitarian military mission to Asia. China could ship a couple of divisions over in cargo freighters, but then what are they going to do?

  • ghostsniper October 3, 2018, 8:15 PM

    “…but then what are they going to do?”

    Drop off supplies for the coastlanders?
    That’s why California would have to be taken, all the occupied american communists killed (not relocated), business as usual but on steroids for a change.

  • Vanderleun October 3, 2018, 8:42 PM

    I’m impressed and honored to see Matt Bracken among the commenters here. Thanks.

  • TheBohunk October 3, 2018, 11:47 PM

    A few months ago I spent a few days in Burlington, VT, partly for business partly for pleasure. Walking around the downtown district, checking out the shops, restaurants, and bars, I noticed several Soviet Union flags hanging from apartment windows. Honest to God…..red hammer and sickle flags hanging over an American city.

    Coming from the middle of nowhere, Iowa, this was a shock to me. Maybe it should not have been, but it was. Burlington, while a sort of notoriously liberal city is still pretty small, only like 80k. And it is smack dab in a very rural area in the whitest state in the Union. If communists are openly operating there, I guarantee they are just about everywhere.

  • I.C.Nielsen October 4, 2018, 8:32 AM

    Note to Kauf Buch
    “once the trials/military tribunals start and the traitors start filling up gitmo,” There will be no Gitmo. As Ripley said “It’s the only way to be sure.”

  • Jack October 4, 2018, 8:50 AM

    I’m with you Ward Dorrity. I’m too old to be much good but I’m still a fine shot and I have a laundry list of marxist assholes who love contributing to the destruction of anything good and decent. When the SHTF one word from them…one word….is all it will take.

  • jeton ademaj October 4, 2018, 10:19 AM

    As a Constitutionalist MAGA voter living in Harlem, I’m likely to be an early kill of most any real civil conflict, so I’d like to share some info. I have been deeply involved in healthcare activism that placed me in settings overwhelmingly Leftist in nature, valued for my energy but hated for my patriotism, especially my Second Amendment defense…until I voted Trump and spoke openly about it. I watched every expected burning bridge light up on cue, and there were many.

    In my parting i warned many Leftists that, beneath the USA they perceive thru their own bubble of media, there lies a vast core of patriots who, if/when forced, would lay open siege upon most American cities, turning them into vast open air concentration camps. I told them that open assault on the 1st and 2nd Amendments above all else stand as open assault upon America itself.

    Sorry for the preamble, but I noted all that just to react to comments about foreign powers. In the course of occasionally discussing the 2A with all manner/levels of Leftist, on several unconnected occasions I was told the following, with variations in phrasing:

    “If violent tyranny arises in the USA and The People are confronted with the need to defend themselves from Tyrants and White Supremacists [you and/or me], we wont have to fear the lopsided gun ownership ratio nor funnel money to gun makers, **because there are friendly nations who stand ready to arm ‘The People’ with guns not made by Xian Nazis as soon as need arises**”.

    Over some 5+ years of immersed activism, I heard this a handful of times (with minor variations). HOWEVER, all of the Leftists making these claims were extremely well-connected, highly immersed, and generally regarded as exceptionally sober, dedicated and competent in Leftist causes. I think 2 know each other.

    You can take the word of this gay HIV+ White man from a Muslim family, now in Harlem, with a grain of salt if you wish…I’d expect that plus flames given many comments here. Nevertheless I suggest considering my words.

    Oh, and when I’d respond to them along the lines of “you sound like you’re describing Bosnia x Rwanda, cubed and cubed again”, none took pause.

    (No, I didn’t steal that B x R phrase from Matt Bracken, didnt encounter his writing until 2016)

    Anyway, thanks for reading this far, if you did. I’m glad the author of this piece rejects simple racist conspiracy theory for more sober analysis of the casual tyranny coalescing among a broad, disparate, and mostly stateless global elite.

  • Snakepit Kansas October 4, 2018, 10:30 AM

    No commie flags openly flying around here. Good way to get your ass kicked. There are some morons around here with BERNIE bumper stickers on their cars. I cannot help myself but always want to see the face of the driver that grossly failed economics. Usually some chubby white guy or some chick with purple hair and nose rings.

    Big cities will have local stores looted in no time. They will be taking big screen TVs even when there is no electricity. Good chance to snag some new basketball shoes. I could see neighborhood watch’s being quickly assembled after the first night of break ins, rape and killings. Start shooting folks on sight once they cross the HOA perimeter.

    Gangs can spray bullets and look cool doing it, but from working at a gun range I can tell you most people can’t shoot straight. Most folks will run out of ammo quick too. Mobs with improvised weapons will be semi-brave until a few get gut shot and left in the street to scream and bleed out.

    I don’t relish shooting my fellow citizens, but once they come for the women and SPAM the brass will be hitting the floor.

  • ghostsniper October 4, 2018, 12:20 PM

    Shipping trucks, trains will be halted before they get to the cities, sent back to where they came from.

    Planes will be prevented from taking off. Interstates, railroad tracks and runways will be destroyed.

    Main city exits will be targeted, escapers disposed from long distance and by drone.

    They created the havens of despair, they can stay there.

    They have no idea what they are unleashing.

    Six months later fleets of dump trucks and loaders will enter the doomed urbania’s and cart the detrius to cargo ships to be disposed thousands of miles out to sea.

  • Gordon Scott October 4, 2018, 5:02 PM

    I won’t say you’re wrong. I live in Minneapolis’ version of Harlem. Twice in the past month, a driver running from the cops has gone airborne through the park in front of my house. The first time it was a little Honda and he came to rest on the remains of the park light. The second was in a large sedan, and he made it up onto the lawn of the place three doors down, and came to rest in the front porch.

    We need to get the two trees that were cut down with ash borer replaced. With a couple of years of good solid growth, that will stop the flying cars.

    I dunno about ferriners shipping guns in to the liberals. The Brits were able to keep guns from being shipped into Ireland without much effort. And there’s a big difference between having a gun and knowing how to use the gun in your hands. I also think that there is quite a bit of self deception at work here. What, the Danes are so fond of the east coast libs that they’re going to run guns (that they don’t have) to them?

  • Snakepit Kansas October 4, 2018, 6:32 PM

    Mr. Scott,
    A sub-MOA sniper rifle is about as worthless as tits on a boar beyond 100 yards from untrained hands. If the rifle isn’t zeroed then it is about as good as a golf club in a fight. Shooting accurately and effectively takes skill developed by training and continued practice. I was invited to a private shooting competition this past weekend which had a total of nine folks, including two combat veterans. Once the bolt gun portion stretched from 100 to 200 then 400 yards, shooting with our rifles over a 2×4 stand, and a slight Kansas breeze (30mph gusts from the SW) I was only hitting the 12X20″ steel silhuete 40% of the time. I was embarrassed, until I realized nobody else was hitting more accurately than me. Most didn’t hit the steel plate at 400 yards at all. The rifle I was shooting will clover leaf at 100 yards using my hand loads on the bench. Plus, nobody was shooting back at me.

    The lib weenies that have spent their time growing up in safe spaces, playing video games, don’t know how to start a lawn mower and are proud of being feminists, don’t scare me at all.

  • renzi October 4, 2018, 7:59 PM

    We the Patriots have most of the guns, and mostly know how to use them.
    It will be over pretty fast if a few soyboys and gang-bangers decide to start something.
    Remember the LA Riots and the Koreans defending their stores.
    The cops and firemen are on our side, and will be happy to stand down if it comes to that, and help mop up after, if the Left doxxes and comes after their families, too. BLM my ass.

  • Paul Strauss October 4, 2018, 8:02 PM

    If the left starts shooting conservatives (or people that they perceive are conservative such as country music concert goers in Las Vegas– no motive, my ass) and they’ll be in trouble. I have a list of kook Dems in my area- and I update it regularly. I don’t keep it to do anyone harm, I keep it in case I have to report an unidentified assailant, or if we have vandalism.

  • Nori October 4, 2018, 8:16 PM

    My land and stars,Gerard! Matt Bracken, Remus, Joe Dan Gorman. All read your most excellent blog.
    Henceforth, I shall doff the usual flip-flops & shorts for evening gown & heels while reading.

  • Heartlander October 4, 2018, 10:03 PM

    Pres. Lincoln and many others at the time eventually came to see the Civil War as God’s “punishment” for slavery. I prefer to think in terms of “natural consequences,” but the results are the same. A country that builds its whole economy and social structure around something objectively evil will eventually come apart at the seams. In the nineteenth century, that evil was chattel slavery. In our own time, that evil is legal abortion, the legal killing of over a million children a year before birth. You can choose to believe in the Bible or not, but just look at history. The laws of history are nearly as reliable as the laws of physics — and a nation that kills its own young will not survive. As you have written, the Supreme Court very well could be the ignition spark of a new civil war — but that’s because the hot, emotional issue really driving all these battles over Supreme Court nominees, from Robert Bork onward, is, as in antebellum days, the conflict over whether or not some people have the right to treat other people as their disposable personal property.

  • Dan Patterson October 5, 2018, 4:33 AM

    Photos or it didn’t happen.

  • J October 5, 2018, 6:19 AM

    Spot on my friend!!
    Spot on.

    LR Competitor

  • John Henry Eden October 5, 2018, 9:03 AM

    How do I mow my lawn knowing my [Bolshevik] neighbor may shoot me dead?
    Simple. Shoot him first

  • ghostsniper October 5, 2018, 10:01 AM

    Install a trebuchet in your front yard aimed at his house, loaded with a nefarious 5 gallon bucket of who knows what. Install another in the backyard. Turn his mind against him.

    Install “No Trespassing” signs along your property lines with fishing hooks superglued to the backside edges. Connect a tripwire from the trebuchet to the sign.

    If you shoot HIM first they will cage YOU.

  • Nori October 5, 2018, 11:45 AM

    Dan: 40 yrs ago, I might have posted a pic. These days I fear I’d scare the children. 💀
    Some really good thought-provoking commentary on this post.

  • Sam October 6, 2018, 4:08 AM

    Interesting article. What do the acronyms USSC, DJT, and TF stand for?

  • ghostsniper October 6, 2018, 4:29 AM

    USSC = United States Supreme Court
    DJT = Donald John Trump
    TF = ?

  • James October 6, 2018, 12:35 PM

    Perhaps I am not interpreting this correctly:
    “The list of survivors will be lengthy if not all inclusive.”
    Everyone will survive? Surely he meant casualties.

  • James October 6, 2018, 12:56 PM

    Read somewhere and I agree, maybe I even read it here, that a civil war breaking out in the USA would be more like Italy’s “Years of Lead.”
    Assassinations and bombings with the occasional kidnappings… stuff like that and all that goes along with it.
    There’s no way there will be a fighting war with two sides facing off similar to before. We’re all intertwined. There’s no dividing line.

  • ghostsniper October 6, 2018, 1:55 PM

    “There’s no dividing line.”

    Well, there are those that plainly recognize the line(s) and those that don’t.
    Course, it’s hard to see the bigger picture when you’re standing right in the middle of it.

  • Daniel K Day October 6, 2018, 9:06 PM

    “TF” is “Ticker Forum”, part of Karl Denninger’s website where the post was originally written.

  • J. Coleman October 7, 2018, 12:49 PM

    Trump and his group know who the bad eggs are. First Trump will declare martial law then he will begin rounding up the terrorists. This will take awhile but he already knows who he is going after. There will be trials(this will be the dangerous part). As soon as the trials are over and the bad guys are incarceated Trump will declare the end of martial law, elections will be held. The President says that this is where he will fade away into the background.

  • Vince October 8, 2018, 10:24 AM

    Read with interest and much relief to see there are parts of this country where there is nary a communist. Unfortunately I live deep in Indian country. Vermont is filled w/ hippies and communists. The coastal areas and a good ways inland of the East Coast from about DC north is filled w/ progs/commies etc. The common denominator is likely the large urban centers that are nearly a megalopolis. Here we are intertwined. This area will be a mess if things get spicy. Probably the biggest will be the implosion of the larger cities and their suburbs. Look at what happened to NYC and surrounding after Sandy. Times this by active shooting etc and more importantly the fact the NO HELP IS COMING and it becomes nasty real quick if you get caught there. Caught a stat during Sandy after effects that most people in NYC area have 3 days (yep, 9 meals) worth of food on hand. So if you are here and Johnny on the spot you may have 2-3 days to bug out.. or maybe not.
    After reading these comments it looks like my plan to bug out to ‘fly over country’ (yeah.. they really do say it and mean it) was not too far off. If things get spicy and we survive the trip, that is. I’ll make sure to bring a copy of the DD-214 in a plastic bag (and a few other useful things) to help get through the lines.
    I hope this never comes to pass although I could see it happening since the early 90’s. I don’t see a way out peacefully. When one (or more) sides have pre-decided you are the enemy and only fit to suffer and die it is difficult to come to a peaceful agreement.

  • pbird October 11, 2018, 10:13 PM

    Thank GOD for Vlad. Haxo is like a Cyclops that can only see one thing, badly!!

  • pbird October 11, 2018, 10:19 PM

    Ghost, they didn’t burn them all. Many were just shot. Many died of disease and starvation.
    Many were killed in “hospitals” as experimental tissue. Many were worked to death….
    Also it was more like 13 million of whom only about half were Jewish or partly Jewish.


  • akgriffin October 13, 2018, 2:34 PM

    i am not a religious man. This was a decent read and loved reading the comments. Is the “civil war” close, not yet. But i will give credence to the idea that a false flag attack by the left will be used that could be used to set off a fight. I will also say this, if the president ever, and i mean ever used martial law even to go after true terrorists and others i will fight against his with all my power. I did 13 yrs of military and another 6 of law enforcement, and the use of martial law is unamerican to the core. I think the “bubba affect” is pulling closer, even though the thought of maybe making this land free again. If you don’t know what the “bubba effect” is, it is when the average american feels that there is no other option to relief or to be heard is to fight. A civil war now will be darker and things will be done on both sides will make the nazi’s look like amateurs.

  • Bill T October 14, 2018, 6:06 AM

    70 to 80% the population will starve or freeze to death. Both sides will try and control the food and energy Supply. The electric grid will be destroyed. Nothing works without electricity. Modern Farmer’s cannot Farm without fuel.

  • Oskar October 14, 2018, 5:09 PM

    Keep in mind the causes of the Serb war.
    Drug smuggling Croats encroaching into larger and larger parts od Serbia.
    Eventually, the drug lords killed two serb cops and the serbs realized that their enemy only spoke one language: violence

    So the fake news demonised them for defending their territory, because the powers that be profited from the drug trade the serbs were stopping.

    You will be labelled the same when you resist.

  • jackalope October 15, 2018, 12:42 PM

    I read these comments over a 2 day period, so excuse me if I missed mention of southern border integrity. In the case of an actual CWII, who would be watching the border with Mexico? I’m guessing no one. And, nature abhors a vacuum. After everyone got busy shooting each other, the cartels will happily move north without much opposition. While the people of the gun laugh at soy-boy anarchists, real men, who kill without compunction, will be setting up shop from Texas to California. Hell, they’re already here. Infrastructure is in place. All they need is the big opportunity.

  • Lewis Ratliff October 15, 2018, 7:01 PM

    Methnks the author needs his own panel of therapists.

  • J J October 16, 2018, 9:44 AM

    I hear these little middle class, privileged ANTIFA punks speak their trash talk about beating/eradicating the (imagined) Fascists. & what they will do in an uprising. So Sad!!! As I recall, the first time I walked up on some really, honest to God dead soldiers, I must have jumped back six feet. Burnt, charred, frozen in time at the moment of death & look of shock & horror upon their faces. I got a grip on myself & we got the corpses into body bags & onto a truck to the morgue.

  • J J October 16, 2018, 9:52 AM

    Addendum to above post: I watched some to the hearings on the rogue FBI agent(s) expressing their political bias & nasty remarks about Trump & supporters. I watched Rep. Steve Cohen, (Dem) of Memphis, TN say to Peter Stryock, “…you deserve a Purple Heart for what you must put up with from this committee”. Who even says such a remark as that, such a Fool. I googled for the name of his challenger for this election & mailed her $50. I would do much more, but I am not a high roller like Geo. Soros.

  • Anonymous October 16, 2018, 10:24 AM

    You people are all fucking idiots

  • Snakepit Kansas October 16, 2018, 10:51 AM

    Hey look! Ten posted this time as Anonymous!

  • Rex October 16, 2018, 11:07 AM

    Nobody says it is ‘just the joos’. We all know there is a coalition against not only those of European descent, but against all those of a non-kosher traditional persuasion. Judaic religious belief is however one of the main forces driving this stuff, and anyone who hasn’t studied up on that needs to… and the system controlled media obviously is not where you will find the truth. Religions are belief systems… and people have a choice whether to follow them. Judaism espouses supremacy over the rest of us and is therefore evil. It is written thus. Those who choose to follow that evil have the vast financial backing of the Rothschilds, Soros, and more. That is the root of the evil. They run the media. Unfortunately the Allies committed so many terrible war crimes in WWII they foolishly went along with the zionist Hollywood inspired hollowco$t lie as propaganda to justify an unjust war. Some people born into kosherite families have resisted the big lie though, but considering history if and when TSHTF they and their kind cannot be allowed any position from which they can turn against us. Madagascar is supposedly lovely in the Spring.

  • Harry October 16, 2018, 12:53 PM

    Say, uh, Rex baby, not that I’m trying to infringe on your insanity or anything, but don’t forget that we Rothschild funded Jews, engage in climate control too. And I’m not talking about the climate control in your car. I’m talking about the climate outdoors, which if you’re not more careful about exposing our nefarious plans, is going to feature a 40 day and 40 night deluge in your neighborhood alone, followed by a seven year drought, followed by 11 plagues. As you are the only person ever in the history of Mankind to expose us, after we find out who leaked our soooper seeekrit plans, we will be visiting you. In sooooper seeeekritniss. When you least expect it. We know who you are and where you live. You might be wondering how. Clue – those aren’t really dust bunnies under your bed. Speaking of your bed, you might want to think about changing the sheets occasionally. Oh, and by the way, due to our soooooper seeeeekrit Zionist control of the internet, you are the only one who can see this post. Not even Vanderleun knows.

  • pbird October 16, 2018, 2:02 PM

    Rex, dang it…there ya go spilling the beans..!

  • Dave smith October 16, 2018, 2:19 PM

    What I remember most about the Dead in the tropics anyway was how in an incredibly short time they became bloated waxy gray yellow individuals covered by a cloud of buzzing flies that lifted away from the body if a breeze came and then settle back on the dead meat when stillness returned the sound of the Flies the smell and sounds of the bloated gas-filled Corpses. I used to think about all the protesters back in the world and I’m reminded of a Firesign theater parody song dedicated to them “we’re bringing the war back home again” f*** all of you college boys and girls. For all you rear Echelon m************ that support Blumenthal and his ilk hell is coming.

  • Casey Klahn October 16, 2018, 5:28 PM

    Snakepit Kansas beat me to it. You can arm the liberals to the teeth, and then some, but they won’t know how to shoot said weapons. AKs ? Seriously poor weapons vs. lapped and floated barrels with hunting sights.

    A lesson understood in the West. You will not pull that trigger if you don’t have the heart for it. Refer: the cartoon movie 300. “How many soldiers did you bring?”

    I just returned from the capitol of the Left, New York City. The only political discussion I actually engaged in was with a Brit couple at an Irish bar. They support Trump, and I sense they were not the most conservative of brits. Just working stiffs.

    Besides. The Leftards are less in number than they think they are. Don’t start a war unless you know your enemy, your own forces, and the capabilities of both.

  • Bram October 16, 2018, 5:37 PM

    J J – Me too. It’s a shock to realize you are looking at a corpse and not just some kind of debris. Some looked unharmed, most were horribly torn up.

    There was this Iraqi soldier on the Kuwaiti border – bravest or unluckiest guy ever. His dead body was right in the middle of the minefield breach and had been run over from the waste down by every tank and LAV in our task force. I ran him over too, because there were mines on either side of the lane I was driving my Humvee through.

  • ghostsniper October 16, 2018, 6:13 PM

    Why would someone be in the middle of a minefield, let alone when it is being breached?
    Doesn’t make sense.
    I’ve installed and uninstalled minefields, many times, and even breached them with bangalore torpedoes.

    Casey, you are right about the AK/AR comparison.
    I have fired both extensively.
    The AK makes a better club than the AR though.
    Shoot 1 amcom (americn communist) in the head and 10,000 will be so triggered they will head for the hills screaming in terror. Remember, we are talking about children trapped in adult bodies.

    pbird: The waters have been so muddied there will never be a clear picture about that whole holocaust thing, and the goal posts are constantly moving. Like the bible, either you believe or you don’t. I don’t really care one way or the other. There have been atrocities throughout human history, all were terrible.

  • Snakepit Kansas October 16, 2018, 7:11 PM

    I doubt the Left has studied much on The Art of War let alone how to set zero at 100 yards on the average deer rifle.

    I am not much a fan of the AK, although I have one. It shoots .410 shot shells. With that chambering, accuracy concerns become negligible, of course. I have an AR, which is tight and shoots pretty straight. My real love is a WIN70 Heavy Varmint chambered in .308Win I bought some 20+ years ago. Factory aluminum bedding, floated mat stainless 26″ barrel on a blued receiver with a self-installed Timney 2.5lb trigger. Zero take-up and zero overtravel. Cloverleafs at 100 yards on my hand loads. Leupold VariX III 6.5X20X40. Last Friday shot sub 2″ group at 400 yards off a bench, although 22″ bullet drop with 200 yard zero. Working on my skills, but I have the right equipment.

    I shut up now.

  • .Oiketerion. October 17, 2018, 2:10 AM

    .sounds like someone needs to get out of the house and get to know (love?) thy neighbor…paranoia abounds in the minds of those who despise the innocent… (please put down your guns, your neighbor is so likely not armed)…

  • ghostsniper October 17, 2018, 4:34 AM

    Snake – breathing, trigger pull, follow through.

    You may already know this stuff.
    Focus on your breathing, watch the barrel rise and fall as you breathe.
    At the end of the exhale, move your support hand so that the crosshairs are on the target.
    As you breathe in the crosshairs will go to the bottom of the target, as you exhale they will head back up to the bullseye.
    Long slow breaths for 20 seconds, at the bottom of the last breath, when the crosshairs are on the target, squeeze.

    Dry fire the gun as many times as it takes to learn where the break point is in that trigger. Each gun is different. The breakpoint is where the trigger lever releases the hammer. (a little filing may be necessary to make this point smooth and not grabby) Co-ordinate the breakpoint with the bottom of the last breath, squeeze.

    After squeezing the trigger and the gun fires, hold the trigger back, do not release, ignore the recoil – though try to keep the gun stable. If the gun moves after the trigger pull it will effect the shot. Like in golf, follow through is important. Once all of this becomes habit, then you can work on speed.

    This is how you get headshots at 1000 yds consistently.
    I have never shot a head but I have shot hundreds of red water filled milk jugs at that distance and farther. Though not lately. Remington 700 in .308, floated, Leupold. BTW, bipods are not your friend, they cause the gun to bounce when fired. I took mine off the AR and use a sand bag.

  • Jim in Monroe October 17, 2018, 7:03 AM

    I hope Q is more than a conspiracy and the Deep State is taken down. This will either stop the resistance or be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

  • Casey Klahn October 17, 2018, 8:29 AM

    Snake and Ghost, I have shot heads at long range, and from field expedient firing positions (not the bench). If you’re going to do that, you need to get the whole thing natural to the point that you’re not thinking about anything. Adopting the sight is the critical skill, because the whole event is on a time arc. Refer to the OODA decision loop.

    It sounds like your WIN70 is tremendously accurate, but for field purposes it is probably best at the hundred yard encounter. I had a Ranch Rifle set up for the bench and bag but I sold it. Here in the West my best thing is a quick shooting lightweight rifle, but good for LR.

    .Oikette: bite me.

  • Dukeq27 October 19, 2018, 7:35 PM

    The hardest thing for people to fathom is that Nazis were actually human beings. Germany’s Fascism was stamped by Hitler’s personality. Mussolini did not kill Jews. Stalinism was stamped by his personality. The major and most dangerous weakness of
    Socialism/Communism and all the left’s “isms” is the chaos and disorder created by their characteristic destruction of current society, cultural and political norms with their Utopia fantasies which make it easy for the psychopaths to rise to the top by ruthless and violent means and stamp and implement their twisted fantasies on all they control. We are close to this nadir. The destruction of the status quo in general and conservatives in particular are now entrenched within the imagination of the “Revolutionaries” who believe they are being thwarted by sub humans. I’m older now and fear for my children and grandchildren

  • Rick October 21, 2018, 12:45 PM

    Someone on another site pointed out:
    Most of our Progressive friends hate guns, and will not own any,
    while our many of our Conservative friends own multiple guns.
    Do the math.

  • Casey Klahn February 28, 2021, 1:03 PM

    My God. The ground we’ve covered since this post. SMH. Those were the good days; before the hoax epidemic, before the wholesale crushing of the voter, before the occupation of the capital by the government itself, before the burning of America by Brownshirts in the streets.

    Where are we now?

    Glad you put the Clausewitz quote in the sidebar, Gerard. He remains relevant and his relevance grows year by year. Or, as Tolstoy wrote: “You my not be interested in war, but War is interested in you.”

    Not good times. Not at all. Interesting times.

  • EX-Californian Pete February 28, 2021, 1:15 PM

    It’s already started, it’s just currently in “cold” form.
    The sooner it turns “hot,” (when the actual lead starts flying) the sooner it’ll be over.

    Liberals cannot be reasoned with, debated with, or dealt with in any normal or bipartisan manner anymore.
    They have made truth, reason, facts, and Conservatives their enemies.
    They have completely embraced all that is evil and vile.

    Like an infestation of termites, there is only one way to deal with them.
    Bring it the hell on, I’m ready.

  • Weepee February 28, 2021, 3:21 PM

    Sheer numbers. I don’t know their skill level, training, battle gear or heart for it, but there are about 15 to 25 divisions of gang bangers across the vast left wing american cities. Hell it would take a few days to shoot them all.

  • Weepee February 28, 2021, 3:25 PM

    The get them some free toyota pickup trucks form Bezos, the Fuckbook guy and the other billionaires along with all the weapons and bullets that Obummer bought…and stashed back for a rainy day, then we will have our hands full for a while. These people have been getting this set up for a long time.

  • Kevin in PA February 28, 2021, 4:09 PM

    I recently did a bit of binge-watching video series on the Yugoslav civil war which is still fairly fresh in my memory of the Bush -1 into Clinton years.
    Also watched a series of about 6 hours on the Spanish civil war. I knew little of it other than Fascists fighting Commies, but the series illuminated several areas of which I was unclear. Suffice to say Commies fighting Fascist, fighting Republicans, fighting nationalist, with influence of the Catholic Church, a significant faction of anarchists, Soviet military supplying their commie pals, deals with Hitler and Mussolini….Wow! What a mess. It essentially went on for a decade prior to WW2. And after Franco and the nationalists won, there was still a lot of bloodshed with scores being settled for past affiliations and crimes.
    I suspect that the Spanish CV is perhaps a template of how it could go here. It won’t be clear cut good -v- evil…there is evil on both sides in war, it seems to me. As Pete at WRS says – polygonal battle space.
    Pray for our country.

  • Anonymous February 28, 2021, 5:05 PM

    Market ticker link is dead

  • hooodathunkit February 28, 2021, 7:31 PM

    Bring it the hell on, I’m ready.” Whaaa … ?
    We don’t need —in fact nobody needs— this kind of ignorant thinking. It doesn’t matter how many bazillion rounds or how many miles of standoff you have. As long as there is the slightest, tiniest, microscopic chance of political resolution, it should be pursued. War is horrible, and ideological wars are the worst. Indonesia, Cambodia, the Yugoslav Wars; even our own ‘Civil War’ set the losing side back for a century and effects today’s policy. Read and learn, talk to those involved. War is the very last resort; the resort of those unwilling to let the other side live.

    Civil wars are called that because ‘civil’ is the last possible description of what actually happens; and
    civil wars are called that because the innocents, civilians, are the ones who get slaughtered.

  • AD Reader February 28, 2021, 7:32 PM
  • Dirk March 1, 2021, 8:55 AM

    It’s all bullshit! All of it. I’m NOT surprised to see the same shit stirring folk here, good people, absolutely, I use to be one of em, thought like them prepared more then all of em together.

    Killings phyological, press the trigger, poof, heads are mist. Killing an enemy combatant in dirkadirkastan stand is far far different then killing a fellow Citizen of these United States. ” don’t ask”

    Once again I’m amused by the article. These knuckleheads write as if their words, were from gods lips, to their ears only. We won’t be in a shooting war, good for the blog daddies, they make money spewing crap, fear. How their Piss rifle is their ” go to rifle” in battle. Jokes on them. If you own only one, of course it’s the tool you use, until you can battle field upgrade.

    We Americans are nothing more then Pavlov’s Dog. We respond to the govt bell, every dam time. While I appriciate the blog daddies attempts at breaking that way of thinking I still laugh, not at them, but me. I bought in to the bullshit.

    these are good men, I’ve just discovered I’m not like them.

    How we view the world has everything to do with were we live, how we live. “I live on a mountain, nothing’s changed” Farmers are preparing to plant, baby cattle are born nightly, for about four more weeks.

    Should this civil war tee off, this place is a fortress. As example, I cite, this. antifa, decided to come play in Klamath Falls about six months ago. Most got notified via the bamboo telegraph of their arrive. In three hours, this community mustered right at 1000 men women and children, all armed to the teeth.

    I may or may not have been their, within thirty feet of the shot callers. I watched theu very good nock S, and could see a few things, the shot callers were not Americans, the shot callers were armed with handguns, right rear hip, the shot callers were scared shitless.

    The following day, an old associate called and read me antitfas Facebook post. In substance stated , in Klamath falls last night, greeted by at least a thousand people, armed to the teeth. They told us, we were going to die, if we did stupid stuff. ” We Believed Them”

    Headed to San Fran, recommended NOT going to Klamath Falls, they told us they would slaughter us, we believe em. Not going back.

    How do you think portland or Seattle would look if they fielded thousands of heavily armed citizens telling the riffraff to knock their shit off. If they turned the water the power off, took the shitters away. Told the police to fuck off, we are handling this, it’s apparent you badge otters won’t be allowed to!.

    Civil wars coming, yea right. It’s optics for politics, nothing more, nothing less. Deserves keeping an eye on, but don’t let these blow hard blog daddies tell you what’s coming, that’s your choice.

    Which reminds me did ANY of the bullshit they predicted actually happen? Haters gotta hate, and shot stirs stir shit.

    Lastly, some here need to here this, to the bone, NEVER UNDERESTIMATE YOUR ENEMIES CAPABILITIES! Never!

    Village idiot.

  • anonymous March 1, 2021, 9:30 AM

    I went back to read Mat Bracken’s piece only to find that the Western Rifle Shooters web page has been taken off the internet–not appropriate content. Is this new? Does he post on another site?

  • Anonymous March 1, 2021, 9:32 AM

    Thank you Dirk–a very necessary post. I clicked on your name and your page is not there.

  • ghostsniper March 1, 2021, 6:23 PM

    “…Western Rifle Shooters web page has been taken off the internet–not appropriate content…”
    It’s there.

  • anonymous March 1, 2021, 9:48 PM

    The page posted for Mat Bracken is not available on my machine–any ideas?

  • anonymous March 1, 2021, 9:51 PM

    Here is the page for Mat Bracken:


    I show it as not available. Please let me know where to finder if you do not get this page! Thank you

  • EX-California Pete March 2, 2021, 9:09 AM

    “We don’t need —in fact nobody needs— this kind of ignorant thinking.”
    So just who is the “we” you attempt to be representing?

    And considering how much damage Democrat/Socialists have done in just the last few years to America, and their obvious plans to do MUCH MORE damage, it appears that you intend on letting them continue their destruction, and choose to cling to some cowardly hope- based on some “microscopic chance of political resolution.” IGNORANCE much?

    Maybe you missed the part where Antifa and BLM looted, burned, crippled, blinded, and murdered people, or that $2.2 BILLION dollars in damage they’ve done (so far) to Americans’ homes and businesses?
    Maybe tearing down historic statues, gravestones, and monuments wasn’t enough, and you want to wait until they destroy Mount Rushmore?
    Maybe you want to wait until they’ve destroyed everything, so it’ll be too late to fight back.

    Calling me ‘ignorant’ doesn’t bother me. I’d much rather be deemed ignorant than deemed a coward.
    Cowardly RINOs and spineless Conservatives are 1/2 the reason that the Liberal Socialists have done so much damage in so little time.

    If someone wants to live on their knees, that’s OK by me. Just stay the hell out of the way of those who refuse to do the same.

  • Anonymous March 2, 2021, 9:02 PM

    For Matt Braken’s essays including “When the Music Stops” and “What I Sa

  • Riley Driver March 2, 2021, 9:03 PM

    Matt Braken’s essays, including “When the Music Stops” and “What I Saw at the Coup” among others, may be found here: http://enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/essays.html

  • Riley Driver March 2, 2021, 9:54 PM

    That turns out to be a dead link as well, but this one works for “When the Music Stops”

  • EX-Californian Pete March 4, 2021, 1:06 PM

    Just out of curiosity, I would would honestly like to know what the various plans (if any) of the commenters here might have to reverse/repair the damage done to America by the Liberals.

    And since one of our most important tools- VOTING has now been so obviously destroyed, what resources do you feel that we might have left to stop this Socialist takeover- OTHER than a Civil War?

    I’m all ears.

  • Casey Klahn March 5, 2021, 6:51 AM

    Pete, just commenting before caffeine, but in a war of offense the belligerent must have an objective, and on the strategic level that means a national objective. Who’re the aggressors? Communists (just go with that for now; maybe their oligarchs or fascists or some new political entity from the pit of Hell, but they sure enjoy using commie tactics and you can read them like a book) are the offense, and they’re objective seems to be to effectively nullify the Bill of Rights. IOW, you as a citizen will no longer enjoy speech, guns, press, religion, etc. That’s their goal. Fuckyoumisterandmissusamerica. Eatshitanddie you are now run by totalitarians of the state.

    This leaves us to figure out our defensive objective, and often that is as simple as denying the bad guys their objective. I didn’t start the fight, but I damn sure going to end it.

    Other than a Civil War? Refer to the meme up there by Clausewitz where violence is required. Again, I didn’t start this fukn war.

    Specifics? Let me finish this coffee. How will I get coffee in a black market economy?

  • EX-Californian Pete March 5, 2021, 11:26 AM

    Casey- just buy coffee beans in bulk and grind your own. I saw 100# bags for sale on the ‘net a while back. Or, just make chicory coffee- you can make it from dandelion roots, and it’s very tasty. No caffeine in it, though.

    I waited a while to post the following, as I wanted to grasp the general gist of the comments here first.

    Most think the upcoming CW2 needs to involve mass shooting and destruction that would make most American major cities resemble post-nuclear Hiroshima, or maybe Portland after BLM and Antifa razed it. Not necessarily true.

    Liberals are sheep, they are parrots, and they are ignorant, spineless drones. They follow the leads of those who control them and manipulate them through lies, deceit, emotions, and anger.

    Once you take out their “leaders,” they would fall like dominoes. Of course, there would still be roving packs of “SJWs” doing their destruction and mayhem, but by assembling in large, concentrated numbers and with none of their crony leaders to protect them from patriots, they would just end up forming “target-rich environments” in those locations.

    FACT- if any of the Portland or Seattle rioters were met with gunfire, those riots would have stopped almost immediately- instead of dragging on for months.

    Also, I think most folks don’t realize that in today’s age, one of our most powerful weapons is the computer. If you’ve ever associated with any “Black Hat” or “White Hat” people, you’d know there’s a sizeable number of them in the USA, and how potentially destructive they would be if united and organized on a large scale. Face it- computers run almost every-freakin-thing.

    Another important factor to consider- utilities, food, and water supply. Take away any of those in a large city or area for an extended time period, and watch what destructive, bloodthirsty, desperate masses of people do to each other in order to try and survive. Just think about how California would be an easy target as far as cutting off or fouling their water supply. Heck- about 1/2 of the state was a “desert” before the Mullhollands arrived.

    Perfect example- when I lived in L.A., a large quake hit in 1994, cutting off gas, electricity, water, and other staples. I saw an appallingly large number of people turn into vicious, selfish, demonic filth at the drop of a hat.

    One of the worst was a guy who I saw stab a man in a building supply parking lot over a couple of sheets of plywood. Fistfights broke out at gas stations when the pumps went down or dry. If you had a generator and gas to run it, there was a 50/50 chance that someone would try and steal it- and on a daily basis.

    I could go on & on, but you get my drift.

    Yes, there would be bloodshed, but maybe not on the huge scale that most people think.