I have been feeling that mood for years but never knew that it had been so eloquently expressed and after reading it, I believe that poem should be the mantra of every white man and woman on this planet.
You know that’s not the original reading, right? I’m not sure Kipling would approve.
Look up “The Beginnings.” In historical context (Kipling, 1917, son dead at the Battle of Loos) that original reading makes a lot more sense.
MhfAugust 28, 2020, 11:56 AM
What happened to oksign?
theduchessofkittyAugust 28, 2020, 12:31 PM
The original poem by Kipling, called “The Beginnings”, doesn’t use the “Saxons.” It uses the “English.” Whoever took that out and added “Saxons” had more nefarious motives.
pst314August 28, 2020, 3:37 PM
“The original poem by Kipling, called “The Beginnings”, doesn’t use the ‘Saxons.’ It uses the ‘English.’ “
Correct, because the poem was written in response to Imperial Germany’s warmaking against France, Belgium, England, etc.
“Whoever took that out and added “Saxons” had more nefarious motives.”
Agreed. I have seen it a number of times, in connection with thinly or not so thinly veiled calls to hate all black people.
Boat GuyAugust 28, 2020, 4:15 PM
I don’t see this as a call to a race war; far from it. It does however perfectly describe the burgeoning hate against those who are destroying our country. They will regret what they have demanded.
“Saxons” would have made no sense in the context of the time….Britain was at war with Germany, and Saxony is a province of Germany. I believe there were explicitly-designated Saxon regiments in the German Army.
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I have been feeling that mood for years but never knew that it had been so eloquently expressed and after reading it, I believe that poem should be the mantra of every white man and woman on this planet.
Thank you again GVL.
First the hate…then the reckoning.
http://americandigest.org/mt-archives/the_reckoning.php
“If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you….”
You know that’s not the original reading, right? I’m not sure Kipling would approve.
Look up “The Beginnings.” In historical context (Kipling, 1917, son dead at the Battle of Loos) that original reading makes a lot more sense.
What happened to oksign?
The original poem by Kipling, called “The Beginnings”, doesn’t use the “Saxons.” It uses the “English.” Whoever took that out and added “Saxons” had more nefarious motives.
“The original poem by Kipling, called “The Beginnings”, doesn’t use the ‘Saxons.’ It uses the ‘English.’ “
Correct, because the poem was written in response to Imperial Germany’s warmaking against France, Belgium, England, etc.
“Whoever took that out and added “Saxons” had more nefarious motives.”
Agreed. I have seen it a number of times, in connection with thinly or not so thinly veiled calls to hate all black people.
I don’t see this as a call to a race war; far from it. It does however perfectly describe the burgeoning hate against those who are destroying our country. They will regret what they have demanded.
Correct that the poem used the word “English”, not “Saxons.” The poem can be found in the anthology ‘A Diversity of Creatures,’ published 1917.
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/13085/13085-h/13085-h.htm
“Saxons” would have made no sense in the context of the time….Britain was at war with Germany, and Saxony is a province of Germany. I believe there were explicitly-designated Saxon regiments in the German Army.
Substitute Saxons or English with Deplorables. See where that leads you.