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May 28, 2016

A First Look at America’s Supergun

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The weapon is called a railgun and requires neither gunpowder nor explosive. It is powered by electromagnetic rails that accelerate a hardened projectile to staggering velocity—a battlefield meteorite with the power to one day transform military strategy, say supporters, and keep the U.S. ahead of advancing Russian and Chinese weaponry. In conventional guns, a bullet loses velocity from the moment the gunpowder ignites and sends it flying. The railgun projectile instead gains speed as it travels the length of a 32-foot barrel, exiting the muzzle at 4,500 miles an hour, or more than a mile a second. - - WSJ

Posted by gerardvanderleun at May 28, 2016 8:53 AM. This is an entry on the sideblog of American Digest: Check it out.

Your Say

Comparing the railgun to a firearm is disingenuous.

Compare the railgun to a rocket and the difference is less.

See, the railgun and the rocket accelerate for a period of time.

A firearm never accelerates at all, as the bullet is simply shrapnel from the solitary explosion with no additional propulsion.

Posted by: ghostsniper [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 28, 2016 11:00 AM

Unless I'm dreaming, the conventional bullet accelerates down the barrel, and my 6" barrel allows for more acceleration than a 3" one.

On topic: the high velocity rail projectile is a badass invention. But, it needs a fleet, manned by trained sailors, to get it to the battle. That fleet needs to survive getting there. In effect, you need the whole universe of military arms. Then, blast the spit out of them.

Still, it is a very sweet gun. I'd like 2, please.

Posted by: Casey Klahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 28, 2016 12:08 PM

You're right about them railguns Casey, and I'll put one right out in the middle of the front yard, but you're wrong about the barrel causing the projectile to accelerate.

A longer barrel will promote accuracy, but I'd like to know the scientific principle behind barrels that make the bullet go faster.

There's an explosion, then from that moment on things like friction and gravity create drag which slows the bullet down.

Unless there is some other force at play here.

Posted by: ghostsniper [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 28, 2016 3:19 PM

There is Ghost. Electromagnetic propulsion is accelerating the projectile the full length of the barrel.
Once the gases from the initial powder detonation expand, the bullet in a conventional weapon is slowing down as it travels the length of the barrel. It is constantly slowing down until it strike a target or succumbs to gravitational forces.

Eventually a railgun projectile also does but one hell of a lot farther down range.

Posted by: Vermont Woodchuck [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 28, 2016 4:22 PM

ghost -

"Longer barrels give the propellant force more time to work on propelling the bullet. For this reason longer barrels generally provide higher velocities, everything else being equal. As the bullet moves down the bore, however, the propellant's gas pressure behind it diminishes. Given a long enough barrel, there would eventually be a point at which friction between the bullet and the barrel, and air resistance, would equal the force of the gas pressure behind it, and from that point, the velocity of the bullet would decrease."

From Wikipedia, "Muzzle Velocities"

Also, a longer barrel does NOT necessarily promote accuracy. -

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2013/10/daniel-zimmerman/the-truth-about-barrel-length-muzzle-velocity-and-accuracy/

Posted by: Dennis Myers [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 28, 2016 6:16 PM

The sight distance provided by the longer barrel promotes accuracy, and possibly the extra velocity afforded by the longer barrel.

I'm not the best guy on ballistics, but my understanding is that the gasses are expanding for a longer time in the long barrel. Nothing else explains the better velocity, iiac. This means, unless I'm all wet, that the best velocity is achieved by more pressure. Some writers express this as continued velocity, but I could be convinced that it means the dropoff is later compared to the 3 inch barrel.

Isn't there actually a force variation depending on the burn rate of the powder? iow, the "explosion" has a varied rate. Anyway, in application, I agree that everything is a drag on your bullet, including specific pull of gravity depending on your angle from the earth - that is actually important shit, although it sounds trivial.

Back to the ships. idk the weight of this miracle rail gun, but it looks like a heavy cruiser wants it and not a destroyer. I was explaining to my 14 YO son why the carrier does not want one. Then, you have the gravity of history. iirc, the Battle of Leyte Gulf was the biggest, and also the last, surface battle, per se. This makes this gun a support the shores weapon, unless a surface weanie can convince me that it will go so far over the horizon that it will reinvigorate surface tactics. Then, you got to ask yourself, what surface fleet exists with the capacity for a set piece battle?

Percentages force me to say this is a support weapon. Of. Great. Destructive. Power. Pull the Iowa back out of mothballs again?

Posted by: Casey Klahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 28, 2016 7:03 PM

Ever play around with hard drive magnets? Very powerful. Careful, they'll raise a blood blister faster than you can react. HD magnets glued to a length of wood/steel, can create a makeshift railgun. Again, careful, the acceleration is amazing and can be very destructive. Treat it like a real gun, aimed away from you at all times. There are youtubes out there about this stuff.

A gov't sponsored (unlimited stolen money) rail gun with powerful electromagnets could be a terrifying yet exciting thing to witness. Shoot a volkswagen, with hitlary in it, into the moon.

Posted by: ghostsniper [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 29, 2016 4:17 AM

Ghost,
The railgun works similarly to the electric door locks on a car. I agree that the electromagnetic field will increase velocity as the sabot/shoe goes down the barrel.

Bullets fired from a gun do NOT normally slow down inside the barrel, although they can. When gunpowder is ignited by a primer, it does not all instantaneously burn up. Gun powders burn at different rates, and in most cases not all of it is burned up. We sometimes see a muzzle flash which indicates that gunpowder is still burning after the bullet has left the barrel. Pressure can build inside a longer barrel due to time vs. burn rate of the powder, and the bullet will normally accelerate as it travels down the barrel.

I not only know that all the gunpowder does not burn up, I have seen the evidence every time I sweep the gun range. Usually within the first five feet of each shooting position I can sweep up a significant amount of unburned powder. Once or twice, someone has dropped a match on such sweepings (after hours) and it burns creating quite a bit of smoke. Very interesting discussion above.

I certainly appreciate your service, sir! Happy Memorial Day!

Posted by: Snakepit Kansas [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 29, 2016 6:23 AM

"a bullet loses velocity from the moment the gunpowder ignites and sends it flying."
The bullet accelerates until it leaves the barrel. That's why the Army is producing a six foot longer barrel for the 155 mm howitzer to increase the guns range.
http://theweek.com/articles/615224/army-crazy-new-howitzer

Posted by: Ray [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 29, 2016 11:42 AM

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