May 25, 2014
Whatever happened to "Crazy"?
But, allowing guns is not likely to be what’s amiss, since there are so many people who own and use guns who wouldn’t do anything like what he did. Ditto for the young guys who are frustrated because they can’t get girls. In fact, the more you read up on this guy, the more you see this chaotic mixed-bag hodge-podge of normal and sick-n-twisted; I find it unavoidable to conclude that the latter started out as the former.House of Eratosthenes
Posted by gerardvanderleun at May 25, 2014 11:35 AM. This is an entry on the sideblog of American Digest: Check it out.
"... something is wrong with our society..." Ya think?
How about, too much reward for inappropriate behavior and not enough punishment as a deterrent? I consider the entire welfare system as a reward. I consider lenient sentencing to include plea bargaining as not enough punishment.
I consider the Old Testament eye-for-an-eye justice right and proper. It could be expressed by the judicial system in the form of capital punishment and harsh sentencing or by police officers handing out summary justice at the crime scene. Shoot a killer dead at the SOC and it leaves a message to others contemplating heinous acts.
Something is wrong alright and it won't be corrected with a pen and paper. Any sword that I have wielded is mightier than any pen I have held in my hands.
Posted by: chasmatic at May 25, 2014 12:47 PM
" Although well-crafted and even articulate, Rodger's words are not worthy of our continued study, at least not on the public airwaves."
A read-worthy essay at USA Today.
Posted by: Donald Sensing at May 25, 2014 1:41 PM
Ugh... The video is painful to watch.
A virgin at 22?
Sorry kid, nothing wrong with that. Infact, at one time, it was once considered wholesome to remain a virgin until after marriage. Yes, even for the guys, too (25 for me).
We are all made in Gods image. We God-breathed, need to respect that. Well, us Judeo-Christians respect that distinction - even towards our enemies.
But then, you are not one of us, are you Elliot?
Posted by: cond0011 at May 25, 2014 2:07 PM
Children are frequently allowed to do things.
Adults do not require permission.
When I was 6 my dad *allowed* me to shoot his Remington .22 rifle.
When I was an 18yo adult I bought a Winchester .22 rifle from a friend for $40 and no permission was needed.
Seems lots of adult people like to play imaginary games with themselves about the use of words and arbitrary rules.
If you think of yourself as a child you will be treated as one.
If you think of yourself as an adult and someone treats you like a child it is your responsibilty to punch them square in the face, hard.
Posted by: ghostsniper at May 25, 2014 2:28 PM
"Whatever happened to "Crazy"?"
... they became Liberals, my dear Gerard. :)
americanpowerblog . blogspot . com/2014/05/spoiled-hollywood-leftist-elliot-rodger.html
Funny how the vast majority of the mass murders are done by leftists? Perhaps its a projection on their part to have guns be banned?
Posted by: cond0011 at May 25, 2014 3:17 PM
Indeed it was a "shooting". But his three room mates were kiled with sharp pointy things (they haven't said knife yet) and a couple of his victims were hit with his car. So even as the left tries once again to demand gun control shouldn't they for the same reasons demand car control and sharp point thing control?
Posted by: GoneWithTheWind at May 25, 2014 3:49 PM
Whatever….I hope this fkkr rots in Hell...
Posted by: Jack at May 25, 2014 6:33 PM
cond0011: part of the Judeo-Christian dynamic is turning the other cheek, loving one another and, yes, loving our enemies. I don't think that applies to Satan's legions. That's how I walk my talk. Evil must perish.
I'm not just blowing off about more strict penalties including capital punishment. Fifty years ago this Rodgers jerk would not have made it to the station house. Shot while resisting arrest or while trying to escape and nobody would have complained. While I do not advocate police violence, there are some clear cut cases where summary justice would be appropriate. The system of Law and Order made it just fine for about two hundred years; now all of a sudden it's broke and "we" should fix it?
Posted by: chasmatic at May 25, 2014 7:00 PM
We are become a tribal society.
Those old dead white European heteroes introduced the idea of individual human liberty.
And now we stand on our sides of the clearing, with our shamans, shaking spears back and forth.
The father who came out immediately against BAD NRA and BAD GUNS lost his son to his tribe...and will never, ever understand that. But he understands tribe, and orthodoxy, and he will embrace both because he has no other identity.
Freedom is for citizens. But only when it is understood that "freedom" means "responsible".
Posted by: TmjUtah at May 25, 2014 7:40 PM
cond: I see what you mean, the killer thought he was fighting evil. Evaluation of a "threat" might vary with one's perception. Isn't that where a standard of conduct, agreed upon and adhered to most members of the society would have defined what was acceptable conduct and what wasn't?
I know that democracy is only effective in small groups, say less than ten thousand, but common laws have been around for millennia and all contain restrictions meant to allow personal safety and ensure benefits to society at large. Most judicial systems share common laws and values also coincidentally found in the major spiritual frameworks. Things like don't kill, don't steal, &c. A similar agreement defines punishments: kill a man, execution, steal, incarceration, so forth. In some societies the punishments reflect the gravity of the crimes. Down around where I live, throughout the West back about a hundred years to steal a man's horse was punishable by death. The land is so hostile that without a horse a man would easily die from exposure (100F heat) or thirst.
I was taught an escalating reaction scale to a perceived threat and have employed all degrees of response. I prefer the non-lethal levels but circumstances did not always allow that luxury. I talk to God about that from time to time.
Posted by: chasmatic at May 25, 2014 9:14 PM
Beyond the common denominator of crazy, I'm also getting a vibe of "lash out" as in he lashed out at all of his frustrations; that he had no way of dealing with frustration because he never had to deal with frustration. Never had to deal with losing. Everything was smoothed out for him and when his personal steam roller wasn't able to flatten the bumps in the road....
Posted by: Mikey NTH at May 25, 2014 9:48 PM
Democracy always kills.
Too bad we walked away from that radical government serves the governed schtick.
Posted by: TmjUtah at May 25, 2014 10:30 PM
Mikey: the guy never learned to lose. In sports one team wins and the other loses. One person scores high on the test, the others don't. Usta be if a kid didn't get the grades they'd keep him back a year. In life, as we all found out, there are lots of ways to "lose". Don't work, don't eat is one of several lessons I learned.
These days in order to keep kids from emotional trauma they teach that there are no losers. No matter what grade you get you have passed the test. Ball teams don't keep score; it would be disrespectful to have one team score higher than the other. Emotional trauma? Really? The result of this devaluation is no motivation and as Mikey said, no coping skills for frustration.
Posted by: chasmatic at May 25, 2014 11:00 PM
Overheard two liberal types discussing this crime. One says "Imagine the son of a Hollywood producer doing that!" The other says back "Yeah, you wouldn't expect them to be like right-wing haters."
I noted the confident assumption that hate springs from the right, and that Hollywood producers must be model fathers, and was reminded of the saying about "Fascism is always descending on America, but somehow ends up landing in Europe."
How about "Hate is always being spread by well-off conservatives, but somehow ends up with people getting killed by some liberal loser."?
Posted by: Ray Van Dune at May 26, 2014 7:27 AM
Yeah, Bucky, you fit right in. Why don't you show us some serious and intelligent comments? Y'know, set an example.
Of course if all this is beneath you resolution is but a mouse-click away. I'll hold the door for you.
Posted by: chasmatic at May 26, 2014 8:56 AM
The overwhelming majority of mass shootings are perpetrated by liberals or in the case of younger shooters, children of parents that vote democrat.
The dems claim it's the easy access to guns that cause the mass shootings and never acknowledge the responsibility of the shooter.
They seem to believe the guns themselves do the shootings and the person holding the gun has no control over it.
If you point out to a dem that the shooters are stopped by people with guns, the police, they then claim certain people should be allowed to possess guns.
Now, the dems believe the people possessing the guns, cops, do the shooting, and not the guns by themselves, as they previously believed.
How is it possible to hold 2 conflicting views at the same time?
Only a congenital liar can do such a thing.
Guns are amazing things in the dem world.
Sometimes when a gun is shot the shooter is a hero and the gun was just a random tool.
Other times when a gun is shot the shooter had nothing to do with it and the gun itself is evil.
When a dem shoots others dems claim the cons are evil gunowners and do not mention dem gunowners.
Dems are shooting other dems but rather than blame the shooters the dems blame the guns and the cons.
If you ask the dem how this can be they will either ignore you or call you an idiot.
When a child calls it's parent an idiot it is spanked and sent to bed with no supper.
Posted by: ghostsniper at May 26, 2014 6:15 PM