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August 3, 2013

Seattle to city workers: 'Citizen', 'brown bag' not to be used in official docs [Bumped]

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Bronstein is "passionate" about: "Bicycling, literature, and race and social justice. Note the alphabetical order. I guess my idea of a perfect moment would be riding my bike while reading Ralph Ellison. Until I run into a parked car." [Soon please.]

Elliot Bronstein wins the Bronzed Drool Cup of the Day Award:
"Luckily," Elliott Bronstein wrote, "we've got options." "For 'citizens,' how about 'residents?'" she wrote. Bronstein also told KOMO the term "brown bag" has a sordid history with racial undertones. "It used to be a way people could judge skin color," she said. "For a lot of particularly African-American community members, the phrase brown bag does bring up associations with the past when a brown bag was actually used, I understand, to determine if people's skin color was light enough to allow admission to an event or to come into a party that was being held in a private home," she added. - National Policy & Issues | Examiner.com

Posted by gerardvanderleun at August 3, 2013 12:49 PM. This is an entry on the sideblog of American Digest: Check it out.

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I suppose if one is "particularly African American," then that means one is darker than a brown bag? Just wondering.

I do yield the "citizen" nomenclature, though. I wouldn't wish to be held to the treaty-stipulations required of a citizen of Seattle.

Posted by: Casey Klahn at August 2, 2013 9:04 AM

Seattle: Great place to visit, but sorry, Gerard, I wouldn't want to live there. Was it the northern migration of Californians that accelerated the rise of the left there? Some of these people are just. plain. goofy.

cheers

chuck

Posted by: dhmosquito at August 2, 2013 9:10 AM

And Bronstein roughly translated in Swahili means “stupid bitch” so sorry Elliot you’ll have to be replaced.

Posted by: tim at August 2, 2013 9:21 AM

What's next. Those idiots in Seattle are going to force people to call them Brazil Nuts?

Posted by: Syd B. at August 2, 2013 9:44 AM

Ah, the forbidden knowledge of black experience, past and present.

Posted by: james wilson at August 2, 2013 9:46 AM

Exactly what orifice did this assclown pull this little factoid from about the origin of the term "brown bag"?

Someone's terrarium lid is screwed down a little too tightly.

Posted by: B at August 2, 2013 9:46 AM

Gawd, I wanna take a pipe wrench to smug PC idiots like Bronstein.

Posted by: Dar at August 2, 2013 10:05 AM

There's no limit to the stupidity of the politically correct.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 2, 2013 10:29 AM

He, or somebody who influenced him, totally made that shit up about African Americans and brown bags. And "citizens?" Oh, that's right, we're not a nation anymore. In that case, Seattle is not a city anymore.

Posted by: Don Rodrigo at August 2, 2013 10:31 AM

Oh, and where's "Anonymous" to tell us that Bronstein "raised much money or consciousness or something about something or other" and therefore we don't get to criticize Bronstein like we did that NYC effete-obot who didn't like "rah-rah American?"

Posted by: Don Rodrigo at August 2, 2013 10:34 AM

Ever talk silly little baby talk to a child or a grandchild? Sure you have, and you felt ridiculous, but soon enough you put your adult mindset back in place and got on with the business of dealing with grown up matters.

Well, anytime you encounter a LIEberal you have to take the mindset of a little kid, then everything they say and do makes perfect sense.

I swear to christ those people are nothing but retarded children with absolutely no forethought, or consideration for others.

Can we take Kansas, put a 100' tall concrete fence around the borders, then herd up all the LIEberals and put them in there? Obama can be the head babysitter in charge and Hitllery can change the diapers.

Posted by: ghostsniper at August 2, 2013 10:44 AM

delusional little PC - Eloi, isn't she

Posted by: OhioDude at August 2, 2013 10:49 AM

Really, Ghost, what have you got against Kansas? Just put a wall around D.C., cut off all communications links and put C-Span on closed circuit so they think somebody is paying attention.

Posted by: mushroom at August 2, 2013 11:28 AM

No. They have a lot of cool museums and art galleries in D.C. How about the area surrounding Yucca Mountain in Nevada?

Posted by: Duncan at August 2, 2013 11:34 AM

I'm familiar with the idea of racial hierarchies in the black community (if you're light, all right; if you're brown, stick around; if you're black, get back;), but I'll wager dollars to donuts that for most of America the phrase 'brown bag' refers to bringing your lunch to work or school. So in a nut case, these idiots are asserting we should not use 'brown bag' in deference to racist blacks. No thanks.

Posted by: SteveS at August 2, 2013 12:02 PM

Nevada would be a good spot, somewhere around Las Vegas where its an empty dead lunar landscape. Or Detroit. Wall it off, tell them to turn it into an urban paradise on good will and heavy taxation on the rich like Matt Damon and George Soros.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 2, 2013 12:13 PM

Does this mean that when I was a kid, and couldn't afford the sooper cool Scooby Doo Lunch box and Thermos, and had to take my lunch to school in a brown bag, that I was actually being racist? Where do I go to confess this thought crime?

Posted by: Jewel at August 2, 2013 12:15 PM

Racist that I am, I used to carry a brown paper bag around with me and use it as a color chart before I would talk to anybody showing 'negro' tendencies. Eventually I wore the bag out and was horrified to find that the supermarket had switched to white plastic bags. Now I am forced to talk with nobody but albinos.

Posted by: stuart at August 2, 2013 12:30 PM

elliott.bronstein@seattle.gov

Posted by: vanderleun at August 2, 2013 12:40 PM

There are some people commenting on this blog that apparently cannot believe that brown bagging is quite real. You might try speaking with black people more frankly about race--their own. I've found them obliging.

Posted by: james wilson at August 2, 2013 2:19 PM

"....that apparently cannot believe that brown bagging is quite real. "

I have no trouble believing that was, at one time, the case among African-Americans.... although it could be an apocryphal example.

I do, however, refuse to keep myself from saying "I'll be brown-bagging it at lunch from now on" just to avoid some white guy's (Elliot Putzschmuckstein above) fantasy about racism when the only racism to be found is inside that schmucks pants.

Posted by: vanderleun at August 2, 2013 4:47 PM

"Luckily, we've got options," Elliott Bronstein...wrote in the memo. "For 'citizens,' how about 'residents?'"

Yes, and for 'Bronstein' how about 'triple dip shit'?

And for 'Elliot' how about 'pimple-necked'?

Posted by: Lance de Boyle at August 2, 2013 5:31 PM

stuart

You're lucky your shopping bags aren't "green".
;^)

Posted by: monkeyfan at August 2, 2013 5:56 PM

Think for a moment how arrogant and patronizing this is.

Disgusting.

Posted by: Estoy Listo at August 2, 2013 8:35 PM

Actually, stuart above has it just about right. The only time that I am aware of "brown bag" having racial connotations was with regard to entry into the "elite" black fraternities and sororities. To get into those fraternities and sororities, the applicant needed to have a skin tone lighter than the color of a standard brown paper shopping bag.

As I recall, the members of these light skinned groups referred to their darker skin brethren as "jigaboos". The college students thus shut out referred to their lighter skin brethren as "wanabes"

Can't you just feel the love?

Now why in the Hell this pasty faced liberal injected himself into THAT mess is still pretty much a mystery, but there you have it

Posted by: jscd at August 2, 2013 9:06 PM

This desperate liberal PC overreaching is extreme , even in San Francisco or Berserkely !
Reminds me of a Woody Allen dialogue where he expressed annoyance at people when they'd say " Did you!?"because it sounded too much like " Did Jew !?" to him. ( He was , of course , joking ; unlike this PC clown in See-Addled.)

Posted by: Randy Fleming at August 3, 2013 4:00 PM

This desperate liberal PC overreaching is extreme , even in San Francisco or Berserkely !
Reminds me of a Woody Allen dialogue where he expressed annoyance at people when they'd say " Did you!?"because it sounded too much like " Did Jew !?" to him. ( He was , of course , joking ; unlike this PC clown in See-Addled.)

Posted by: Randy Fleming at August 3, 2013 4:01 PM

Well, now! It is progress indeed, when a commie tells the comrades not to use the word CITIZEN!

Posted by: Jewel at August 3, 2013 5:54 PM

Reminds me of a Woody Allen dialogue where he expressed annoyance at people when they'd say " Did you!?"because it sounded too much like " Did Jew !?" to him.

Buddy Hackett (a Jew) also used this in a comedy routine a number of years ago. If I can find it on YouTube, and if it's as funny as I remember it, I'll include a link.

My mother, who lived in the segregated South during WW2, once told me there was a definite hierarchy among the blacks down there, with the lightest-skinned people occupying the top of the ladder, with the lower rungs getting progressively darker. No idea how much this carried over since then to other parts of the US. But this is the first I've heard of the "brown paper bag method" to assess someone's skin tone.

Posted by: Anonymous at August 3, 2013 8:01 PM

The reaction has been widespread ridicule, as reported by NBC News:

"A Seattle official who advised that city spokesmen avoid the term “brown bag” as racially offensive has defended his position in the face of national ridicule over what critics called political correctness run amok.*

The Seattle official’s explanation is that there was a past practice of using brown bags to judge whether someone’s skin was light enough to gain entrance to events, but as the NBC report details, the brown bag was used by black fraternities and groups, not whites:

"For a lot of, particularly, African American community members,” he said, “the phrase ‘brown bag’ does bring up associations with the past when a brown bag was actually used, I understand, to determine if people’s skin color was light enough to allow admission to an event or to come into a party that was being held in a private home.”

Scholarly research and touchstones of African-American popular culture show that Bronstein is right.

In a 2006 book, Audrey Elisa Kerr, a professor of African-American literature at Southern Connecticut State University, documents reports throughout the 20th century of the use of paper bags by African-American fraternities, sororities, churches and social clubs to determine whether a potential member was light-skinned enough to be socially acceptable.

Posted by: B at August 3, 2013 8:58 PM

Brown bag shmown bag. I'd like to know why the "journalist" in the article refers to Bronstein the three times he's referred to in the article with the feminine personal pronoun " she"?


Does Joe Newby know something about this "guy" the rest of us don't?

Posted by: Tom at August 4, 2013 1:54 AM

The film, Citizen Kane, will now be called Resident Kane.
Better yet, Resident Evil.

Posted by: USS Ben at August 4, 2013 6:37 AM

Weet u zeker dat de informatie die u gaf is 100% correct?

Posted by: Cecil Ramin at March 6, 2014 1:59 AM

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