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August 6, 2011

Ann Barnhardt on "THE EXECUTION OF SEAL TEAM SIX"

"I’ll say what everyone else is thinking but is too scared to say.
The Obama regime is almost certainly directly complicit in these deaths. The time, location and most especially, the PASSENGERS in the Chinook were passed to the Taliban. Additionally, you can’t take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use. The Taliban needed serious weaponry to take this helo down, and that serious weaponry needed to be in exactly the right spot at exactly the right time, ready to fire. Why would the Obama regime kill Americans? I think the question is, why WOULDN’T the Obama regime kill Americans?" -- Barnhardt.biz - Commodity Brokerage

Posted by Vanderleun at August 6, 2011 6:42 PM. This is an entry on the sideblog of American Digest: Check it out.

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Barnhardt is wrong. Consider:

"CH-47's are large and vulnerable targets for an rpg. Saw one hit in Sangin in 2007. The crew had just let off a platoon of grunts and was leaving when it got hit. RPG hit a fuel line and that was all it took. Whole crew lost."

Don't know what Barnhardt is thinking. In fact, don't that Barnhardt is thinking.

Posted by: Donald Sensing at August 6, 2011 8:22 PM

Additionally, you can’t take out a Chinook with small arms fire or even standard RPGs such as the Taliban use.

Sorry to burst your bubble, Mizz Barnhardt, but yes, you can. Hit one with an RPG in the combining gearbox, or one of the rotor heads, or put massed small arms fire into the cockpit to kill the pilots, and a 'Hook will fall out of the sky like a greased dump truck.

Posted by: BillT at August 6, 2011 9:35 PM

Barhardt is right. Marxists murder people, especially 'their own', because the people - in particular the most honourable and decent among them - are the most likely to get in the way of The Plan.

Posted by: Brett_McS at August 6, 2011 9:43 PM

There aren't many absolutes in combat - such as whether small arms can or cannot shoot down X.

Who will prevail is not a certainty but a probability. And sometimes things go to hell.

We are not entitled to our own facts.

Posted by: KTWO at August 6, 2011 10:03 PM

Barnhardt has many fine qualities, but her sanity account is seriously overdrawn.

Posted by: gedaliya at August 6, 2011 10:06 PM

Tinfoil, meet hat.

Posted by: David McKinnis at August 6, 2011 10:09 PM

Before laying down the 'kook' epithet, ask yourself whether, say 10, or even 5 years ago, you could have imagined that Eric Holder would be Attorney General of the US.

"Then tell me, "Future Boy", who's President in the United States in 1985?" ... "... ha ha ha ... then who's Vice President, Jerry Lewis?".

Posted by: Brett_McS at August 6, 2011 10:54 PM

Ms. Barnhart has a brilliant mind and a fevered imagination. This is a deadly cocktail. She is intoxicated with hatred and has become unhinged.

Her ravings aside, there is one point that needs to be considered: were the people responsible for the killing of the Seals just lucky or were they tipped off? If I were a betting man (and I am) I would bet that they were tipped off.

The information would not be hard to come by since there are so many enemy eyes around. The key is knowing who and what to look for and they did know courtesy of a certain high ranking, publicity seeking, loose lipped politician.

At the least, Joe Biden needs a shit kicking.

Posted by: mikhail silo at August 7, 2011 3:39 AM

...and they did know courtesy of a certain high ranking, publicity seeking, loose lipped politician.

Occam's Razor says that, if they were tipped, it came from within the ANI, and not necessarily from a ranking individual. In RVN, some of the VC's most reliable tipsters were South Vietnamese soldiers who warned their VC cousins not to be in a certain area at a certain time.

Posted by: BillT at August 7, 2011 4:26 AM

Bill Roggio writes in the Long War Journal that it was downed while in egress from a raid in the Tangi valley in province Wardak, a Taliban stronghold the U.S. abandoned in the spring.

Barnhardt has the smug certainty you'd expect from ignorance.

Posted by: John Hinds at August 7, 2011 4:47 AM

BillT's comment about the combining gearbox's vulnerability is to the point. I was assigned to JTF Bravo for awhile in the 1980s. We had a Hook whose gearbox self destructed one day (no enemy action) and the two rotors immediately blasted each other to shards. The chopper fell straight down 5,000 feet. Needless to say, no survivors of the crew, who were the only souls aboard.

Posted by: Donald Sensing at August 7, 2011 5:15 AM

The terms "helicopter" and "bulletproof" are mutually exclusive. We counter enemy fire with tactics, not armor, and sometimes the enemy is just too close for those tactics to be effective.

That said, most shootdowns are not catastrophic, and you can hit most helicopters multiple times in non-critical areas and the beast will still fly.

Posted by: BillT at August 7, 2011 6:46 AM

That was probably not the best quote to highlight from a long, two-part essay. Even I knew she was wrong about not being able to shoot down a helicopter with small-arms fire or RPGs, and I've never been in the military.

I hope the previous commenters read the whole thing.

My takeaway quote was this:

The Obama regime is composed of Marxist-Leninist psychopaths. A glancing, superficial survey of 20th century history shows one glaring fact above all others: MARXISTS MURDER PEOPLE WITHOUT COMPUNCTION.

That is absolutely true, without qualification.

Posted by: rickl at August 7, 2011 8:23 AM

If memory serves, I believe one or more of the helicopters in the "Black Hawk Down" battle were knocked down by an RPG. I'm pretty sure Obama wasn't involved in that one. Biden, I'm agnostic on the question.

Posted by: orcadrvr at August 7, 2011 8:38 AM

Everything said above arguing against Ann's theory about taking out chopper is correct. Golden BBs are all too real and prevalent in combat. I admire and respect her, but she is wrong on this, and it undermines her credibility in a significant way.

Posted by: stephen b at August 7, 2011 8:47 AM

No comms are secure. All plans are compromised when other forces are involved.

The biggest problem is the US Military is so fearful of collateral damage they won't use iron from 15,000'. Drop it. Lots of it!
Move in, clean up the surviving combatants and let the Taliban succor the sympathizers.

When the Taliban finds that condensing themselves in villages is unhealthy, that ceases as a battle plan.

Posted by: Peccable at August 7, 2011 9:11 AM

Great. Another Truther.

What the hell is wrong with your head? Jesus.

Posted by: Mike at August 7, 2011 9:58 AM

"Occam's Razor says that, if they were tipped, it came from within the ANI, and not necessarily from a ranking individual."

I agree with the first part of that sentence. As to the second, I did not suggest that the enemy needed a high ranking tipster.

What I do know is that it was Biden who first revealed that it was the Seals who carried out the Bin Laden killing. It is in that sense that the enemy knew what and who to look for.

Posted by: mikhail silo at August 7, 2011 10:56 AM

I doubt that the Taliban cared very much about who killed OBL -- this was an ambush designed to shoot down whoever was involved in the night raids that were shredding them as a fighting force.

Posted by: BillT at August 7, 2011 12:33 PM

You know, at first I thought Ann was going a little overboard, but there's so much evil and corruption in the Obama regime that I'm going to reserve my opinion.

I mean, who would ever have guessed that the President of the United States would be selling automatic weapons to Mexican drug cartels in an effort to kill the second amendment?

He robbed the federal government and gave it to all his political cronies.
He nationalized the auto industry.
He nationalized the healthcare industry.
He started three wars.
He subordinated American Law to the UN.
He created a shadow government that is unanswerable to anyone but him.
He has destroyed the middle class.
He has destroyed the dollar.
He has destroyed the economy.
He has destabilized the middle east, assuring that it will enslave millions in Shari'ah and provoked war with Israel.
He has abandoned most of our traditional allies.
He has lied about his identity and credentials.
I could go on. Maybe Barnhardt's on to something.

gedaliya: Go hang yourself.

Posted by: ahem at August 7, 2011 1:35 PM

You know, at first I thought Ann was going a little overboard, but there's so much evil and corruption in the Obama regime that I'm going to reserve my opinion.

I mean, who would ever have guessed that the President of the United States would be selling automatic weapons to Mexican drug cartels in an effort to kill the second amendment?

He robbed the federal government and gave it to all his political cronies.
He nationalized the auto industry.
He nationalized the healthcare industry.
He started three wars.
He subordinated American Law to the UN.
He created a shadow government that is unanswerable to anyone but him.
He has destroyed the middle class.
He has destroyed the dollar.
He has destroyed the economy.
He has destabilized the middle east, assuring that it will enslave millions in Shari'ah and provoked war with Israel.
He has abandoned most of our traditional allies.
He has lied about his identity and credentials.
I could go on. Maybe Barnhardt's on to something.

gedaliya: Go hang yourself.

Posted by: ahem at August 7, 2011 1:35 PM

Those of you who have attempted to impugn Miss Barnhardt's sanity and sensibility are selectively focusing on one thing and not asking the other questions that need asked. Why were so many SEALs on one aircraft together? Why were they(if her sources are correct) being transported on a National Guard helicopter? Both of these points should make a person go "Hmmmm?"
I have no military background and am female to boot, so I don't particularly know any details about aircraft configuration/arms/armament, etc. but I did follow her Boeing link, and it would appear the Chinooks the Special Forces guys use are quite a bit different than those used by other branches of military. Were they in such an aircraft? If not, why not? Also, the press was privy to the details of these csualties very quickly, much qucker than one would expect.
Shot in the face, buried at sea, also comes to mind.

Posted by: teresa at August 7, 2011 2:05 PM

"US sources said the troops were being flown by a crew of the 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment."

Sourced at the UK's Daily Mail. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2023123/Special-forces-helicopter-shot-Afghanistan-mission-rescue-fellow-Navy-SEALs.html#ixzz1UOcPt1Yd

Not a National Guard chopper. I have absolutely no trust whatsoever of Barnhardt's "sources." I frankly think she just makes stuff up. Someone above had it right - she's a rightwing member of the tinfoil hat brigade.

Posted by: Donald Sensing at August 7, 2011 6:24 PM

Well, at least Miss Barnhardt and her most devoted acolytes can take solace in Dryden's observation that "There is pleasure sure, which none but madmen know."

Posted by: gedaliya at August 7, 2011 7:29 PM

gedaliya, you have your thong on backyards again.

Posted by: Peccable at August 8, 2011 10:16 AM

Peccable, are you in love?

Posted by: gedaliya at August 8, 2011 7:35 PM

I wonder why one of the casualties was a Nebrska National Guard Chinook crew chief who'd been in-country a mere few days??? Doesnt seeem likely he would be on a SF mission, does it? Doesn't fit the published narrative, for the less credulous among us.

Obama and his ilk loathe the military. The remains being shipped back to U.S. in "transfer cases" are unidentifiable. The families of said casualties have all been notified of their demise. They haven't been declared MIA.


Shot in the face, buried at sea.

Posted by: teresa at August 9, 2011 8:21 AM

A RPG-7 cannot bring down a Chinook, a Kornet E can.

Posted by: MRT9G at August 10, 2011 10:03 PM

She's wrong on her overestimation of the durability of a Chinook, but why were there so many spec ops in one helicopter?
Never heard of more than 5-6, then accompanied by regular forces if needed, partly to keep from losing so many at once (all the eggs in one basket).
Coming out with info so soon is a red flag, but with so much media attention on Seal Team Six, I could see it getting leaked for some fast cash.

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