November 16, 2003

How the Infotel Scam Works

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"If you're not in the Infotel Business Directories, how will they find you?"
Infotel;"Making the world just a little smaller"

-- Slogans on Infotel Web Site

Over the last few days a lot of attention has been given to a shabby con run out of Canada by the Frank family called "Infotel." Essentially, this is one of those "get the company to pay" bits of sleaze that run as low-level infections throughout the corporate world. It only usually falls apart when the scamsters try to shakedown a small company that knows what it orders and what it doesn't.

Canada, long a haunt for fly-by-night telemarketing con-artists and shabby porn peddlars, gives companies like this shelter from US laws. I guess because Canada needs every sort of business it can bet these days.

At any rate, there hasn't been a lot of detail on how the scam or scams of Infotel are done until now when a 'former employee' has detailed them. The details are fascinating reading [Brackets = Added Information]:

Posted by a "former employee" in the comments section of "damnum absque injuria"

AMERI CORP aka INFOTEL PUBLICATIONS aka CBSI

Hey I worked there in Sales; this is [how the scams work]……

Categorized as a Legal Counterfeit Company because the products are real it is still a Telemarketing Scam because of the way the products are sold and there is no way of knowing how many are distributed.

Infotel/CBSI Products: (as seen at www.mediacorp.com )

DIRECTORY OF AMERICAN BUSINESS [Price: $379.95]
INFOTEL TOLL FREE DIRECTORY [Price: $379.95]
BRITISH BUSINESS DIRECTORY [Price: £189.95]
ANNUAIRE NATIONAL DES ENTERPRISE FRANCAIS Or FRENCH BUSINESS DIRECTORY (FRANCE) [Price: €304.14]
CANADIAN BUSINESS DIRECTORY [Price: $379.95]
AT & T NATIONAL BUSINESS BUYER’S GUIDE [Price: $12.95]
PAPER ROLLS*

These are National Business to Business Directories. Because they are National (ex. all the U.S. in one book) they are ... worthless. Nevertheless, they are what they are and are sold as that and no more.

The only illegal premise is the falsifying of the fact that the company was previously listed. This is fraud and the BBB knows it.

The *Paper Rolls are for Credit Card machines etc. This nickel & dime Scam starts with the sales pitch “You are running out of paper etc.” The paper is sold by weight. Again the products do exist. This time around the small fry is caught thinking it’s his supplier calling. Nothing illegal here, just gullible employees.

Part 1 (Directories)

The Scam starts with the Sales Pitch directed at the unknowing small fry at a company: "Would you like to continue your listing in the 2xxx Directory of American Business, it's the National Business to Business Directory, Yellow and White pages."

The Yellow and White pages draw them in. It's a Phone Book to the small fry. They were previously listed? (This is the Scam, they were not)

The Scam continues with a Shipping Department call: "This is so and so from the Shipping Department of Infotel Publications", I am calling to confirm the details..." The Scam here is to get the small fry to admit he/she is authorized to make the purchase. This call is taped.

If yes, the Scam is set in motion. If no, then it is returned to the sales where it may be pitched again to the same company.

With the Scam set in motion, the company is listed in the directory and on the website www.mediacorp.com. The directory is sent by UPS to the company.

Part 2 (Directories)

The collection department (known in telemarketing as The BOILER room) handles the non paid invoices which make up a large % of the take. The monitored call, the proof of purchase, the authorized small fry, all contributes to the success of the Scam.

The BOILER room rotates the unpaid invoices trying to keep the calls to companies at the US legal debt collecting limit avoiding BBB & Attorney General Complaints. The goal is to get to the Owner, President, or V.P. etc. This is the turn point of the Scam. The Owner, President, V.P. etc. will pay the Full Invoice price, Partial or a Lower Fee or Nothing.

REMEMBER: YOUR INVOICE SAYS 2 YR LISTING, IF YOU PAY, THAT WILL BE FOR THE FIRST YEAR, AND ANOTHER INVOICE WILL FOLLOW NEXT YEAR!

FAQ

Who do they target?
Any and all Businesses including Non-Profit Organizations even Churches (But no Synagogues)

Do I have to pay?
No

How do I stop the Calls?
Call the Better Business Bureau

But Better…..
Alert the Attorney General

Who are these guys?
Canadian Telemarketers aimed at the US and Europe

The Owners
Gordon Frank, Ted Frank, Sean Frank

Even the ... mother (Rosalyn Cobrin) of these CROOKS works there, it’s a FAMILY BUSINESS!

Locations:
Montreal, Toronto


More info......

http://www.ripoffreport.com/report42956.htm

http://archive.mail-list.com/ukpmln/msg04014.html

http://www.state.vt.us/atg/press03212002.htm

http://www.atg.state.vt.us/display.php?pubsec=4&curdoc=171

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2003/07/ambus.htm

http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2002/11/handson.htm

http://news.spamcop.net/pipermail/spamcop-list/2002-September/017322.html

http://www.consumersgroup.com/crimewatch/yellowpages.htm

http://www.nclnet.org/top10telemarketingscams.html

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/telecommunications/scams.html

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/menu-tmark.htm

http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/edcams/telemarketing/

http://www.courttv.com/archive/legalcafe/lifestyle/telemarket/telemarket_links.html

http://www.newstepsolutions.com/telemarketing.htm

http://www.fraud.org/tips/telemarketing/general.htm

Posted by: FORMER EMPLOYEE at October 31, 2003 04:46 PM

Posted by Vanderleun at November 16, 2003 10:16 AM
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Canada, long a haunt for fly-by-night telemarketing con-artists and shabby porn peddlars, gives companies like this shelter from US laws. I guess because Canada needs every sort of business it can bet these days.

Way to improve Canada/U.S. relations, buddy..
In Canada most of the spam I get in my email, porn,scams,etc links me to U.S. locations. I did not realize that these emails were being bounced from Canadian locations.

Posted by: Dumb Canadian at November 16, 2003 6:00 PM

While the Dumb Canadian may not realize it, many companies do in fact slide across the northern border in order to avoid the effect of American law, most especially in the "better business" arena. For example, there are a number of illegitimate "bankruptcy petition preparer" services who operate online (from Canada) in order to avoid U.S. regulations regarding the unauthorized practice of law and the obligations regarding the preparation of bankruptcy petitions. However, Canada isn't alone in this, and the lack of physical jurisdiction over online businesses is a problem for many governments.

Posted by: Bill Wallo at November 17, 2003 8:57 AM

I'm the Original "Former Employee" that posted the info that started the posts on Calblog. Thanks for posting that here.

Infotel Publications could never follow through on a suit because it would call attention to the Telemarketing Scam that they run and they are loosing business after 12+ years.

With two sales offices in Montreal, Canada and one in Toronto, Canada. Collections are in Montreal only. They call United States, Britain, France & Germany around the clock from Metropolitan Media on the 2nd floor of the Positron Building on Bucan Street.

The Sales force calls from a database including your local Seven Eleven, Holiday Inn, Service Stations, etc. etc., you name it to be listed in a worthless "NATIONAL" yellow & white page directory about the same size of a phonebook. A NATIONAL Toll Free Directory is also peddled.

The premise that you "WERE PREVIOUSLY LISTED" and "YELLOW/WHITE PAGES" gets the sales. A day or two later the "so called" shipping department which is actually known as the "VER" (Verification) in this scam takes place. This is recorded. The VER is only for one reason. to get the person to answer "YES" to "You are authorized to purchase". If the VER is passed the sales rep gets the sale, if not it is Re-pitched to the company.

No employee in sales or collections knows the number of directories distributed but NO ONE except the purchaser get one.

Infotel Publications uses US Addresses were checks are collected, locations have changed throughout the years.

The goal of collectors is to intimidate the purchaser who OKed the purchase. The full price, a one year listing or setup fees ($125.00 with the returned book) is collected.
Many cases the employee pays or is even fired because of the purchase.

I see no reason how the FRANKS can win over the Freedom of Speech on the Internet.

IF YOU PAY ZERO, THEY CAN DO NOTHING AND THE FILE IS DEADED.

ALSO REMEMBER: IF YOU PAY, YOULL END UP A LOAD (NEXT YEAR YOU WILL RECEIVE A SECOND DIRECTORY AND AN INVOICE FOR THE 2ND YEAR OF THE TWO YEAR LISTING. (THIS IS ILLEGAL IN CANADIAN TELEMARKETING) ALSO CALLED RE-INVOICING BY THE RCMP

Protect your rights: Contact the BBB and your STATE ATTORNY GENERAL!

Posted by: Former Employee at November 18, 2003 7:55 PM

HEY, I'M THE SECOND FORMER EMPLOYEE THAT POSTED ON CABLOG.

SALES DONT KNOW WHAT THE COMPANY IS BECAUSE OF THE TURNOVER, THEY READ FROM LISTS AND BELEIVE COMPANIES WERE PREVIOUSLY LISTED! COLLECTIONS PEOPLE LEARN THE SCAM TOTALLY IN APPROX 5 MONTHS. THEY EITHER STAY OR LEAVE.

IT IS INTERESTING TO NOTE TO ANY SKEPTICS THAT SEARCHES AT WWW.MEDIACORP.COM FOR BUSINESSES WILL BRING UP:

CHURCHES, NON PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, FUNERAL HOMES, GROCERY STORES, RESTURANTS, GAS STATIONS, TRUCK STOPS, PARKING LOTS, DOCTORS, DENTISTS, LAWYERS, HOSPITALS, CONSTRUCTION COMPANYS AND OF COURSE WELL KNOWN AMERICAN CORPORATION OUTLETS (THAT PAY WITHOUT KNOWING). MOST BUSINESSES TARGETED HAVE LESS THAN 5 EMPLOYEES!

ONE INTERESTING NOTE IS THAT UPS - UNITED PARCEL SERVICE IS ALSO TARGETED, THE PEOPLE WHO DELIVER THE DIRECTORY.

DO THESE BUSINESSES NEED TO BE LISTED NATIONALLY?

IF SO SHOULDN'T IT BE ON LIKE 10 DVDs BECAUSE THEN IT WOULD BE BENIFICIAL BUT ALL IN ONE LOUSY TELEPHONE BOOK WITH A 1/2 INCH BY 2 1/4 INCH AD?

GO AHEAD, MAKE A SEARCH AT WWW.MEDIACORP.COM, MAKE UP A FEW NAMES, AND FIND THE LITTLE GUY WHO LOST $800.00 OF HARD EARNED CASH TO:

GORDON FRANK
TED FRANK
SEAN FRANK
ROSALYN COBRIN

INFOTEL PUBLICATIONS (METROPOLOLITAN MEDIA)

DON'T PAY; CALL THE BBB AND THE ATTORNY GENERAL.

Posted by: a former employee at November 19, 2003 4:17 AM

I am so glad I found you guys. I am about to lose my job because INFOTEL sent a business directory book, and a invoice of 397 dollars to my boss' house in my name.
What should I do and tell my boss?

ps. I never agreed to buy anything from them, but they say they have a recorded conversation.

Posted by: Alex sousa at June 29, 2004 12:33 PM

i just started working at infotel about two weeks ago and im already figuring out the scam...i feel bad when i make a sale...the job is so dishonest....after reading all the stories and comments i think its time for me to start looking for another job...i turned down other jobs for this one..not knowing the scam behind...thanks to infotel ill be unemployed until i get another job....they are screwing the employees and costumers over...i think its time for them to be busted

Posted by: emma at July 8, 2004 3:48 PM

i just started working at infotel about two weeks ago and im already figuring out the scam...i feel bad when i make a sale...the job is so dishonest....after reading all the stories and comments i think its time for me to start looking for another job...i turned down other jobs for this one..not knowing the scam behind...thanks to infotel ill be unemployed until i get another job....they are screwing the employees and costumers over...i think its time for them to be busted

Posted by: emma at July 8, 2004 3:48 PM

All i can say is fair play - good scam, their is one born every minute and if people are able to take control of the situation and make money - why not?

Posted by: Lee(UK) at July 16, 2004 3:16 AM

I too am a previous employee of Infotel Publications, the first thing I have to make clear is that when I began working at Infotel I had no idea that it was a scam .... and how would I ? I decided to go on-line and research Infotel Publications because being the observant employee that I am I began to notice that things just were not making sense. I would call up to about 200 business' a day and I estimated that about 95% or more of the companies that I called had no idea what this directory was or that they were "previously" listed. Some people would hang up on me as soon as I said I was calling from Infotel, it made me suspicious. I was very disappointed when I found the great abundance of complaints about this new company I was employeed with. I feel horrible about misleading the companies about the directory , but also I am very upset and MAD because my previous employer was misleading me as well. I pride myself on being an honest person and am not impressed that I was put into this situation. I guess it goes to show that you really need to fully research a company before you agree to accept a job offer... no matter how bad your job prospects look becoming involved with a scam is never worth it. I want to take this opportunity to emcourage other past or current employees to do what you know is right and expose Infotel for the scam artists that they are.

Posted by: Bitter PAST employee at August 4, 2004 11:26 AM

infotel sucks

Posted by: Harry Winsor at August 7, 2004 7:05 PM

Same scam as Terrance Croteau of Pinacle/mdsc publishing business address 45 division st.
Home address 78 Jackson crt west
Welland ont, Canada

Posted by: joe sampson at September 2, 2004 7:58 AM

Thank you so much for having this online. I just received a call from them today and was trying to search to see if we had a listing online and that's when I found you. They are supposed to call me back on Monday. Rotten Scam Artist!!

Posted by: Lynda at September 10, 2004 10:12 AM

I talked with several people at "InfoTel" including Hope Klein, and a director called "Jeffrey Drake".

The Infotel phone number is 800-363-0161.

They are very abrasive with threats and intimidation. We would not let them get through to the CEO, and instead redirected them to the Legal Department, where they continued the threats and initimidation.

After stating that we would not be paying any invoices, the conversation ended. We called them and stated that the CEO would talk to their sales person. They called back, and we stated the real known facts about Info tel, and requested to speak to Frank Gordon.

The inital sales person was shocked and said... "uh, yes, he is here one moment"... after a while then another person came on "Jeffrey Drake", and was extremely worried about the fact that they called us back "12 minutes after the initial conversation".

We will have our legal team see what can be done. A really stupid idea for them to pull such a scam on a club of bored lawyers! But, we'll see if anyone wants to bounce them around.

C

Posted by: Chris at September 14, 2004 11:31 AM

I have received the scam phone call today and like many have fallen for it what should i do now just wait for the directory to arrive then not pay or is there a way to stop this?

Posted by: Donna Welch at September 28, 2004 4:25 AM

I to was scammed by these people. I didn't say yes to this yet I have a bill for 402.54. It is for a 2 year listing I think. I did write to them explaining that I don't remember ever talking to them and have no idea what this is even about. I do own a small busines, i am the only employee, so I do not see myself needing there offer anyway. How do I get them to leave me alone now. They did tell me that I could pay them in payments. Well I am not paying for anything that I did not order or sign for. Please help me if you can. Thank you, Richard Wampler, Jr. caesarsdog@yahoo.com

Posted by: Richard Wampler, Jr. at November 4, 2004 7:08 PM

Is anyone still getting scammed by these people lately? I noticed all the posts were from last year.

Posted by: Bob at November 23, 2004 7:50 AM

The offices of Infotel Directories – which has subsequently changed its commercial name to Vericom – were raided by police in December 05 on request of the Federal Competition Bureau

Please note that they have also changed their name to Vericom Sounds like they are trying to confuse with another well company with a similar name

Posted by: Tony at March 14, 2005 6:43 AM

I worked at Infotel for about 10 days before I figured they were crooks and left. If anybody wants to complain about them to a Canadian agency, please contact info@phonebusters.com. This is the Canadian government's official Customer Protection group and has works in conjunction with CSIS and the RCMP.

Infotel is still around and they are currently recruiting in Toronto. Their current address is on Bay St. I believe, so if anybody wants to get a posse together...

Posted by: Chris Barry at July 27, 2005 2:14 PM

Vericom are trying to get me to pay them for an entry in their directory having used exactly the same methods that have been discribed above. We are a small company based in the UK. What course of action should we take?

Posted by: Amanda Aldridge at August 3, 2005 2:32 AM

Vericom UK and Vericom US are the same company as Infotel Publications own by the Franks by under the name of employees like Patricia Robinson and Corey Tucker.

Vericom US is located in Montreal on Jean-Talon and own by Patricia.

Vericom UK is located in New Foundland and owned buy Corey Tucker.

Posted by: Patricia Robinson at November 9, 2005 3:00 PM

Who are these losers and how do I file a complaint against them. They scammed us into thinking we were renewing our yellow page subscription which is far from the truth and when you call them back to discuss they are very vague, rude and will not answer any of my questions.

thanks,

matt

Posted by: matt griesheimer at November 10, 2005 1:37 PM

I am just starting to deal with Infotel-Mediacorp today. they have a recording of one of my shippining people saying "uh hu" to several questions confirming our address. In any case I have reported them to the BBB and to the AG in WA and NY(where there address is on my invoice). It is still going on under the name Media Corp.
www.mediacorp.com

Posted by: Taite Whitchurch at November 14, 2005 11:43 AM

Is this the same company as Vericom - www.vericomuk.com - 152 Water Stree 200. Canada?

I had a call about six months ago asking if I wanted to continue my listing in the business directory. Thought I was talking to BT who provide our telephone directories to the uk for free. Today the directory arrived and I rang to say I believed it to be a scam and wasn't paying. They replied that I had ordered it.

Posted by: toni at November 17, 2005 5:54 AM

They just tried pulling this scam on my today. They're "shipping department" called today adter their "sales person" confused my phone operator yesterday. I cut them off at the pass - "Do not ship us anything. We did not order anything through your company. We will accept nothing from you. Can I have your name please, extension, comapny name and your direct supervisor's name, and I am recording this call.."

I got the information and they hung up very abruptly afterwards...

Unbelievable. I am reporting the call to the NY Attorney General.

Posted by: Brian D at November 17, 2005 6:59 AM

My girlfriend worked at Infotel Directories, I’m glad she’s finally out. She felt bad about the deceiving nature of the job but the ad in the newspaper asked for office work and paid well. She asked me to post a general comment because these guys (The Franks) are ruthless and might recognize her comment. Sean Frank is the only Frank she ever saw. They already sued one girl for commenting to the CBC. Here in St.John’s Newfoundland, there is no work since the fishing moratorium on the Grand Banks.

This is her story.

I worked at Infotel Directories now named Vericom at 152 Water Street, St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada. I did not know it was a scam until later on. Industy Canada raided the office in 2004. The job was stressful after this raid and in 2005 two people were sent from Montreal to tell us what to change to avoid complaints. Infotel dropped the name Directories on the old invoices and changed the name to Vericom on the new invoices. The business is a Big Scam. The script used by Sales for the UK is “I’m calling to update your free listing in the British Business Directory.” The listing is Free, the directory costs the 189.95 pounds but they are not told that.

I did Sales and Ver. Ver is calling the business after the sales scams a prospective buyer. The Ver people use the script “Hello so and so, this is so and so calling from the distribution department of Infotel Directories, you had spoken to so and so about your listing in the British Business directory, just calling to get your details and give you the approximate shipping date before we send out the directory. The directory is going to so and so etc.” (The Name, Address Tel. & Fax #’s, e-mail and Websites are rechecked). In the script the price is mentioned as one eighty nine ninety five (no hundred or pounds is mentioned). Also, the prospective buyer is asked if he or she is authorized to make the purchase. The call was taped and sent to Montreal but now St. John's keeps them and does collecting under the new name Vericom. We call Montreal if we have a problem.
The business sells 1200+ directories 3-4 times a year. (Thanks to a friend for this info).
Often the business name is not listed or incorrect telephone numbers etc. Mistakes are common in the directory. The directory is the size of a standard phone book, one half white one half yellow. The white section is an index of the yellow section which has tiny three line listings.

The key person there was Fat Pat as she was called, she left for Infotel Publications in Montreal. Both InfotelUK & VericomUK websites still exist because InfotelUK still collects from Montreal. The sites are identical except for the name. The three sites below are all for Infotel United Kingdom. (Thanks to a friend for this info).

www.infoteluk.com
www.vericomuk.com
http://www.mediacorpuk.com/


What do you do? Hang up & don’t pay. You will keep receiving invoices, ignore them, they can’t do anything. When they keep calling & faxing contact Trading Standards, The Office of Fair Trade, (OFT 08457 22 44 99 enquiries@oft.gsi.gov.uk),
The Federation of Small Business and most important the Canadian Competition Bureau http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/internet/index.cfm?lg=e
(Thanks to a friend for this info).

Here’s some web links to stories about Infotel/Vericom by the CBC News in Newfoundland.

http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf-infotel-20041206.html
http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf-infotel-complaint-20041208.html
http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf-infotel-edge-20041222.html
http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf-infotel-suit-20050221.html

Posted by: MrGlad at December 6, 2005 5:14 PM

My girlfriend worked at Infotel Directories, I’m glad she’s finally out. She felt bad about the deceiving nature of the job but the ad in the newspaper asked for office work and paid well. She asked me to post a general comment because these guys (The Franks) are ruthless and might recognize her comment. Sean Frank is the only Frank she ever saw. They already sued one girl for commenting to the CBC. Here in St.John’s Newfoundland, there is no work since the fishing moratorium on the Grand Banks.

This is her story.

I worked at Infotel Directories now named Vericom at 152 Water Street, St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada. I did not know it was a scam until later on. Industy Canada raided the office in 2004. The job was stressful after this raid and in 2005 two people were sent from Montreal to tell us what to change to avoid complaints. Infotel dropped the name Directories on the old invoices and changed the name to Vericom on the new invoices. The business is a Big Scam. The script used by Sales for the UK is “I’m calling to update your free listing in the British Business Directory.” The listing is Free, the directory costs the 189.95 pounds but they are not told that.

I did Sales and Ver. Ver is calling the business after the sales scams a prospective buyer. The Ver people use the script “Hello so and so, this is so and so calling from the distribution department of Infotel Directories, you had spoken to so and so about your listing in the British Business directory, just calling to get your details and give you the approximate shipping date before we send out the directory. The directory is going to so and so etc.” (The Name, Address Tel. & Fax #’s, e-mail and Websites are rechecked). In the script the price is mentioned as one eighty nine ninety five (no hundred or pounds is mentioned). Also, the prospective buyer is asked if he or she is authorized to make the purchase. The call was taped and sent to Montreal but now St. John's keeps them and does collecting under the new name Vericom. We call Montreal if we have a problem.
The business sells 1200+ directories 3-4 times a year. (Thanks to a friend for this info).
Often the business name is not listed or incorrect telephone numbers etc. Mistakes are common in the directory. The directory is the size of a standard phone book, one half white one half yellow. The white section is an index of the yellow section which has tiny three line listings.

The key person there was Fat Pat as she was called, she left for Infotel Publications in Montreal. Both InfotelUK & VericomUK websites still exist because InfotelUK still collects from Montreal. The sites are identical except for the name. The three sites below are all for Infotel United Kingdom. (Thanks to a friend for this info).

www.infoteluk.com
www.vericomuk.com
http://www.mediacorpuk.com/


What do you do? Hang up & don’t pay. You will keep receiving invoices, ignore them, they can’t do anything. When they keep calling & faxing contact Trading Standards, The Office of Fair Trade, (OFT 08457 22 44 99 enquiries@oft.gsi.gov.uk),
The Federation of Small Business and most important the Canadian Competition Bureau

http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/internet/index.cfm?lg=e
(Thanks to a friend for this info).

Here’s some web links to stories about Infotel/Vericom by the CBC News in Newfoundland.

http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf-infotel-20041206.html
http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf-infotel-complaint-20041208.html
http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf-infotel-edge-20041222.html
http://www.cbc.ca/nl/story/nf-infotel-suit-20050221.html


Posted by: GladMan at December 7, 2005 4:26 PM

A fast talking lady named Cheyenne from a collection agency has been calling over an invoice from INFOTEL we received for $404.44. She has been adamant that we pay by credit card so our credit won’t be damaged. She has used the term credit card so much that I started thinking it was a scam. I’m glad I found you. She had a recording of a manager ordering it. The manager remembers that call and a first call vividly.

He was told it was the yellow pages. He claimed they just wanted the correct information of the company for the updated edition of the directory. The second time they called, he remembers they asked specifically for him and that they were sending out the item. They went over all the information again claiming it was for the delivery.

The call played to me has him agreeing to our information and a cost was mentioned. A purchase order was asked for but we don’t use them. They asked him if they could send it to his attention and he agreed. Then the Directory arrived by UPS with an invoice a short time later.

Cheyenne told me that I had to pay or I our credit rating would suffer. I don’t remember the name of the agency but I asked her the name the last time she called, she called me a “stupid bitch” and that her agency will collect the money owed. When I called Infotel I asked about the invoice and received voice mail. A fax came the day later saying it was past due with a credit card form filled with a discount. We have written to the Federal Trade Commission and BBB.

Posted by: Mrs.Kinsly - Acc'ts MGR at December 16, 2005 6:27 AM

Hi,

We have also been targeted by this company in the UK. I contacted our Local trading standards office in Aberdeen and although they have heard of Infotel they are not aware of any complaints with regards to Vericom, apart from ours that is!. I wrote to Vericom, informing them that we will not be paying for the goods as they had not been ordered etc to which I received a call asking why I had contacted Trading Standards and that we had ordered the directory and they had a recording of this etc. Anyway, that was a week ago so will just wait and see what else happens!. I would strongly advise any company who are targeted by these people to contact their Trading Standards office!

Posted by: Shirley at December 20, 2005 2:16 AM

I've had a collection agency calling me for monies demanded by INFOTEL. This is for a directory not ordered. The lady Sian, was after a credit card payment immediatly or my credit rating would suffer. I told them I would send a check. Thanks for this site, I've saved the time effort & worry. I'm going to call the BBB and the Federal Trade Commission. This practice has to stop.

Posted by: Lucy Penton at December 22, 2005 6:21 PM

I'm fighting with this bunch from VERICOM now.I never seen the directory or heard of them and I ordered it? So it's all a con, that's it. They won't get anything fom me.

Thanks to All, Happy Christmas & New Year

Posted by: mr. rashie at December 27, 2005 4:37 AM

I'm in after the holidays and I spoke to a lad from Vericom about a invoice and directory that was ordered by a person who left the company.

This guy was rude. I called Trading Standards and they had no knowledge of this company. I'll give them a ring that the company was formally named Infotel.

I handed it over to our legal but reading your comments I'll deal with it. I don't need the staff arseing about with the calls from these cons.

Posted by: Eddy Kipps at December 28, 2005 7:03 AM

PLEASE NOTE: PLEASE NOTE: PLEASE NOTE:
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The post at the beginning of the Cablog was not written by me - INFOLIE - infolie@mail15.com.

http://www.calblog.com/archives/001727.html

I never went back to that Blog in YEARS but was told that this false post was posted by me. (Hello Ted)

If Justine received the e-mail with the e-mail message making out I was a Disgruntled Employee, it was no doubt done by Kahn Bozoglu who is the Computer Expert person at INFOTEL.

Justine at Cablog must be more interested that the same e-mail was included on a motion sent to her by a lawyer for INFOTEL , is it because of more popularity? Because the internet contains more shared information on the Motion than the actual facts concerning a Scam Company?

Removing my posts was ridiculous, she is a LAWYER. McConomy Liverman is a LIAR, INFOLEL IS A SCAM.

E-mail me anytime at infolie@mail15.com. I will supply any information about the FRANKS.

Below is an e-mail from Justine...

> Justene Adamec :

> BTW, they're looking for you.
> http://www.calblog.com/archives/003570.html
>
> --- infolie wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > I never sent you any e-mails due to the fact that
> > Mail15.com was changing to Hotbox.ru and has just
> > been re-
> > opened for about a week or two. The
> > infolie@mail15.com has
> > been down since I created it and I could never
> > access it,
> > consequently, all e-mails to it would be returned.
> >
> > If you received an e-mail from infolie@mail15.com,
> > it was a
> > Spoof e-mail (easily done). This e-mail reply is
> > true
> > because it is a duplex conversation, not a simplex
> > (one way
> > only).
> >
> > I was just made aware that you received a prior
> > e-mail
> > causing you to delete my posts.
> >
> > (Hello Ted)

SO THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ME, DO I GET A FREE DIRECTORY.

Posted by: Infolie at December 29, 2005 6:39 AM

I found you looking for information on a company called Vericom.

We received an invoice for £198.30 for a Vericom British Business Directory. We called Vericom and left a message. A representative called explaining that the secretary had spoken to our company twice concerning a listing in their directory.

They provided a recorded call with the secretary agreeing to our details, a price was mentioned one eighty nine ninety five to which the secretary agreed. She thought it was £1.98 as they don't say...one HUNDRED.

I was told I had to pay or the past due payment would be collected by UK bonded Debt Recovery inc. I cant find UK bonded Debt Recovery inc.in the BT or locate a Tel# for this company. Is this an idle threat? What should I do?

Posted by: Malcolm Boyle at December 29, 2005 2:27 PM

Our company was hit with these calls. I copied down the url. There is stuff witten all over the internet.

The invoice reads Infotel in New York but the people anoying us are canadians.

We have the item, it will burn well. Wait till they call back.

I found this on another site:

"Call up the Owner or better yet his MOTHER who works there and travels to Florida each year on YOUR money. Ted Frank 202 Dela Roche Dollard Des Ormeaux, QC H9A 3C8 (514) 624-8500 (514) 941-5441 Cell Rosalyn Cobrin 5950 Cavendish Cote Saint Luc, QC H4W 3H1 (514) 485-2825"

Posted by: Gino at December 30, 2005 8:57 AM

This Vericom called us demanding payment on an invoice we never received or knew anything about.
They provided a fax of the invoice and a note of delivery by parcel force.
We had couldn't find any information on this company in the local pages or information about the location in Surrey? I found Information here:
and at another location. http://members.tripod.com/internetcons2003/_disc9999/000000b3.htm
I called Trading Standards and the said they were aware that this Vericom is actually the company Infotel which there were quite familiar with.

Thank You

Posted by: Mr. F. Hilton at January 4, 2006 7:19 AM

called infotel in st johns newfoundland earlier today about a girl i know that worked there for two days and felt that the company was bad news...
she received a t4 from the company stating the moneys that she had received.. in which she didnt not ...
she called to ask about it and they informed her that infotel was shut down and was no longer there.. i did some investagating and it brought me to this site.. thanx for the info...

i made a call to employment canada about the ad placed to hire more ppl to send into the scam...

and gave them the web addys of the complaints made.. thankyou once again..

nice scams there franks...
cant blame u for trying.....

Posted by: b at January 16, 2006 11:00 AM

They called telling us they were updating our details.

Then an Invoice arrived. We called and a lady provided proof by UPS of a delivery by fax. It was left at the door. They want over $400.00 for it.

They called back reducing the invoice to a one year listing saying we are responsible for the delivery.

Thanks for this Information.

Posted by: Robert B. Ulter at January 16, 2006 2:26 PM

I'm fighting with them right now. (just got off the phone) Infotel called my partner asking if our details were alright. He thought it was the local yellow pages. I heard a taped call and my partner asked them in the conversation "is this the yellow pages", a lady Rose said "it's the yellow and white busines pages" this is all wrong.

I found other pages like yours with the same complaints. I'll have to compose a letter to our State Attorney General.

Posted by: BufordM at January 16, 2006 2:44 PM

Thank you for this website!

Our firm has been receiving calls from Vericom. A rude Canadian, calls like clockwork. We've called the Office of Fair Trading. The calls interfere with our business practices and must end.

We have written letters to the Surrey address but the rude Canadian denies receiving them. I've filled out a TS complaint form, perhaps it will work.

Cheers!

Pam

Posted by: Pamela Burns at January 17, 2006 8:41 AM

Infotel is anoying us. Infotel Directory of American Business? The book is white & yellow. The white part is an index to the yellow part. The yellow part has tiny ads with name, address, tel&fax, e-mail&website. This for $444.!!!

It's a Cat and Mouse game but this Cat found your site.

Keep it up!

Posted by: Kevin at January 17, 2006 9:15 AM

I called the BBB on this Infotel.

They called a manager in Sept 2005. They had a tape, I heard it. The person spoke very fast. The manager responded yes, yes etc. A price was mentioned but so fast I didn't pick it up at first. They replayed it.

It is awful that these cons prey on honest businesses.

Posted by: Mrs.Herns at January 17, 2006 1:34 PM

INFOTEL PUBLICATIONS/ VERICOM/METROPOLITAIN MEDIA INC/ 3189651 CANADA INC. are one company and the largest Business to Business Directory SCAM in Canada known as B2B Telemarketing.

Posted by Present Employee! Posted from Infotel’s own Computer. Get the Camera out!

Anatomy of a Perfect 13 Year SCAM (still in business in 2006 after Canadian government's Competition Bureau’s raid in 2004)

INFOTEL/VERICOM Sales calls Customers - LEADS (Key people in companies)

New sales people don't know it's a Scam. Older sales people know and will change the script telling you it's FREE, it's the Yellow Pages, it's $1.89 etc. If it passes the VER the Scam is set in motion.

INFOTEL/VERICOM’S script is worked around the phrase:

"I'm calling to update your listing in the Directory of American Business or British Business Directory, the yellow and white business to business directory. It's for your additional two years." (YOU WERE NEVER IN IT!) When Infotel was busted in 2004 by the Canadian government's Competition Bureau, they looked at the Script (photocopy). They found a few hand written alterations that were a No-No. They also took files, tapes etc. I can’t understand how this did not close the business unless it is legal pending with Gord’s Lawyers. Infotel UK was renamed Vericom because it was publicized in the UK and no dough was flowing in.

The VER people recall ASAP saying "Hello, my name is so and so calling from the Shipping (US) or Distribution (UK) Department, you spoke to so and so regarding your listing in the directory. I'm calling to confirm your details and give you the approximate delivery date. The directory is going to so and so at bla bla bla. The cost for the directory is three eighty nine ninety five, do we require a purchase order or do we send this to you attention"? VER people last if they can talk fast, if you speak too clear or stop to answer questions the person might suspect something. Gordon Frank has ordered several times a VER has too be fast.

The VER people know it's a scam. (There is no shipping or distribution department, it’s just a group in the same office with a recorder calling and calling to reach that key person who said ok to the sales update call)

The Customer Service (Collections) dept. handles the calls that come in after the delivery of the directory as well as work on these files later as they wear the person down. They know it’s a scam immediately. They handle 300-400 files each trying to get payment.

Many large companies just pay the bills (They figure the invoices are legit), these are house files. ALL the rest are complaints. Statements with “Final Notice” are sent every month with interest. Some non-payers go back a few years. If it’s two the have 24 Statements, three times as many calls per month not to mention Faxes.

The directories have “NO DISTRIBUTION” that is: No one gets one except the company called by Infotel. The directories have no update if the company goes out of business, many a customer won’t pay when He tries to call neighbors listed in the book and the don’t exist anymore.

If you pay you are automatically a LOAD or as Gordon Frank prefer - an “Established Account” or EA. In the office no one ever mentions scam, load, con etc. It’s fantasized into a legitimate business. But when you can’t make the sales or collections you’re on the way out. The three BOYS (the franks) also heavily fantasized the scam like it’s a legitimate business.

Sales can make large commissions; base salary is $11.00 HR plus commission. Ver makes over $12.00 because they were in sales or collections. Collections start at $11.00HR plus more depending on the payments each week. Bad is below 10, good is 10-15, better is 15-20. Top collectors can top 20 onto 30. Thirty payments times a rounded figure of $300.00 is $9000.00, which is a WEEK for one employee for 30 books (worth nothing) of which most are returned (Most books are returned and reshipped to other scammed businesses) but the client still pays for the two year listing.

Directories are re-covered or updated 3-4 Times a year. They will send you a book you are not in, more work for the collector claiming you are paying for the 2 Year Listing.
For the US the second time around the client gets a “Toll Free Directory” whether he has Toll Free # or Not.

For INFOTEL USA - FORGET the BBB, Tell them you are alerting the AG, ATORNEY GENERAL of your State and NY, plus throw the Directory in the Trash. This rings the Bells and stops the Scam.

For the VERICOM UK – Call Trading Standards and tell them the Former INFOTEL Directories is called VERICOM.

Do a Favor for you own customers; FAX them a Copy of this Post.

Gordon Frank – President and Founder of the Scam 13 years ago.
A millionaire with offshore accounts, expensive lawyers, cars, properties, a Harley and a black standard poodle named Joey. This guy is spaced out, a manic depressive with several other disorders. The man should be arrested for his violent outbursts.

Sean Frank – In charge of Sales.

Ted Frank – Vice President and in charge of Collections.

What about me.

I thought it was about regular phone books when I started. I’ve been around for a while and need the money. It’s getting hectic and it can keep up like this. I’m planning on leaving in the spring or summer.

Some UK Websites killing Infotel/Vericom

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/mirrorinvestigates/tm_objectid=14701239%26method=full%26siteid=94762-name_page.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/mirrorinvestigates/tm_objectid=15636116%26method=full%26siteid=94762-name_page.html


Posted by: Present Employee at January 23, 2006 10:57 AM

Hello present employee e-mail me at infolie@mail15.com?

Posted by: Infolie at January 26, 2006 7:04 AM

It's an INFO-LIE alright.

I was solicited by Infotel. They told me the owner always takes it. Of course I agreed when they first called and the second time where I'm on tape (which I heard). I've shown him your site. Infotel won't provid a tape of the first call.

He says it's bull, no money for them :(

Posted by: James at January 26, 2006 2:05 PM

I was told this was free. I thought it was a phone book of some kind. I received the book and then the invoice for over $400. I called and
Was told the book is free, the fee is for the listing of two years. I heard the tape of myself saying yes to my details and the price. I thought it was $4.00 shipping. They spoke so fast. I've complained to the Better Business Bureau, they know this company and said they can help.

Posted by: Sara Hazelton at January 30, 2006 6:29 AM

Hello,

Our company has had our outlets hit by these scammers. So far I have 4 invoices. I'll send a memo to all the stores to be on the lookout.

Thanks to this website I can save well over a 1600 dollars.

Betty

Posted by: Betty Peterson at January 30, 2006 1:18 PM

I thought I might get some answers on a BOGUS e-mail sent to Cablog and used on a lawyer’s letter to Justene at http://www.calblog.com/archives/001727.html

I have received information that employees of Infotel tell customers that the Internet postings are ALL from a Former Employee and not complaining customers.

THIS IS A LIE, AN INFOLIE.

I've sent Justene e-mails multiple times regarding this issue and tried to post on her Blog but it is closed to posts. Below is the BOGUS e-mail on her Blog/Site.


"Hello Justene,

This may come as a surprise but I am responsible for nearly all of the posts regarding Infotel Publications. I have used several aliases.

I am a former employee that started this as a prank to get back to my employers for firing me. The truth of the matter is, that all the posts are fiction. The company is a legal business registered in Quebec, Canada for nearly 13 years, they are not affiliated with the defunct telemarketing AmeriCorp.

It seemed fun at first posting customer comments, employee comments and even posting British comments using English slang found on the internet at:

http://www.effingpot.com/slang.shtml

http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/

I realize that the company now has a few things under way trying to avoid a lengthy legal battle with you. This could complicate things and implicate me so I want to free of it. Sometimes we go too far to prove our point.

I thought you might as well know the facts about the posts.

My posts are Lies, you can verify those with my e-mail, others I guess you can't but I would be glad to let you know my handiwork.

Please delete posts with infolie@mail15.com

Thanks

Infolie"


On December 29, 2005 I posted the first POST on the top of this page on Justene's Cablog, however I will rewrite a message here so Justene understands.

Hello Justene,

I am the REAL Infolie (Hello Ted) at infolie@mail15.com, the REAL former sales employee that posted the first post on the top of this Blog over two years ago.

The posting in quotation marks above and in a lawyer's letter on your Blog was NEVER sent to you by me!

The e-mail is a clever lie sent to you from INFOTEL to get legitimate posts removed and included in a legal letter as a scare tactic. Your Blog is closed to posts so I cannot address the issue. Also, your Blog is helping to create doubt that posts are indeed genuine.

Why is your Blog closed to Posts?

Did INFOTEL Scare you off?

Infotel is a “Legal Counterfeit Company,” as I have said. They do sell a product, however, it is worthless. (A NATIONAL directory for the whole USA or UK) They conform to most Canadian telemarketing laws that keep them in business. However, there are two touchy issues at Infotel. One is grey legal, the other is not…

1) You are fooled by Infotel Sales, “We are calling to UPDATE your CURRENT listing.” This is in a grey area of legality; it can be called a play on words.

2) You are fooled the 2nd, 3rd, 4th time etc. These are referred to as LOADS and are ILLEGAL in Canadian telemarketing. Some companies just pay and pay forever until someone smart realizes they don’t need the worthless directory.

Infotel can only be stopped by complaints to your State Attorney General and to the State Attorney General of upstate New York where Infotel collects its mail and ships out their directories. (As listed by the Present Employee). This closes the State to Infotel. A few states are already closed for them.

Imagine them still operating while hurricane Katrina hit, all information is lost while the FRANKS collect on helpless victims.

The Kaddish Prayer for the Franks.

Glorified and sanctified be God's great name throughout the world which He has created according to His will. May He establish His kingdom in your lifetime and during your days, and within the life of the entire House of Israel, speedily and soon; and say, Amen.

May His great name be blessed forever and to all eternity.

Blessed and praised, glorified and exalted, extolled and honored, adored and lauded be the name of the Holy One, blessed be He, beyond all the blessings and hymns, praises and consolations that are ever spoken in the world; and say, Amen.

May there be abundant peace from heaven, and life, for us
and for all Israel; and say, Amen.

He who creates peace in His celestial heights, may He create peace for us and for all Israel; and say, Amen.

Sincerely,

INFOLIE

Posted by: Infolie at January 31, 2006 9:42 AM

Today they called my home about 6 times in 10 minutes. Since I never answer 800 type numbers, I never got a sales pitch or demand. I did a Google search on the phone number and found this site. I am a small business owner but they called my house. They didn't leave a message. Thanks for all of this info.

Kyle

Posted by: Kyle at May 4, 2006 12:55 PM

INFOTEL/VERICOM AND NOW UNDER A NEW NAME REED PUBLICATIONS

Posted by: harry at November 3, 2006 5:52 PM

The office moved from Buchan to 4810 Jean Talon Street in Montreal. The
Tel # remains the same as INFOTEL/VERICOM.

REED (GREED?) COMMERCE/ PUBLISHING/DIRECTORIES
CANADA 6555381
Address: 4810 Jean-Talon W.
Suite 210
Montreal - H4P 2N5
QC/Montreal
514-341-1888

The Franks hide behind Pat Hansen, who is down as the owner but the
REAL owners are the Franks - Gordon, Ted and Sean.
The former Infotel and Vericom Directories is now the REED Business to
Business Directory, REED Toll-Free Business Directory, REED Canadian
Business Directory.

514-341-1888, Darlene answers the phone, "Hello, Business Offices".
REED does INFOTEL and VERICOM unpaid files as well as REED. The first
shipment of directories has already brought in over $35, 000 for REED. With the Reloads that's more than Gord Frank made on Decarie with the birth of Infotel in 1995!

Here most Infotel/Vericom employees have now left except for some old key players:

Aldo Zeppilli (Left for now)
Nick Pietroniro - Complaints
Caroline Ali - Ver/Shipping Dept.
Marlene Ansky - Loads
Robby Postuma
Isgra
Kaan Bozoglu stops in weekly for the Franks $$$ from Pat.

www.reedcommerce.com
reedhr@reedcommerce.com

Posted by: harry at February 15, 2007 12:57 PM

Caroline Ali,big ass kisser there,so is marlene ,kisses pat`s ass,her big ass,gutless company,check out bbb.com and see the complaints roll in,hi ted,grodon,sean,kaan,the biggest dick there.

Posted by: xxx at May 10, 2007 8:06 AM

Sorry Sean, but come one who did not know. Well considering the company probably everyone that is how stupid everyone was there. I say that they all should be ashamed of themselves and hope they rot in hell (lol-since they believe they are the chosen ones). Hey darlene, still engaged after alllll these years or did he finally marry your sorry ass...slept with him to right under your nose... Sorry Sean, but you were not the only one..i still have the beautiful earrings you gave me

Posted by: Dania at July 9, 2007 11:02 AM

marlene is the biggest ass kisser there at infotell;she thinks she is well liked but everyone despises her to the fullest extent.she shows her age 70???,and the fat slob called robert??stinks to high heaven.darlene,your "man"has slept with everyone there.

Posted by: fyi at July 28, 2007 7:18 AM

"From: Gerard Van der Leun
To:
Message-ID:
In-Reply-To:

Mc Carthy has done some very worthwhile searching on this issue of treason
and I read the citations with interest.

While I understand that the flinging about of "traitor" and "treason" is a
phenomenon closely associated with the last two years than immediately
before, it all, in the end strikes me as merely much of a muchness. Indeed,
it is the same category of those who are always going on about the
suppression of their free speech in front of a raft of various media only
too ready to lay their plaints before a world ready to listen.

In the case of Treason as in the case of Free Speech, I am always left
wondering how so many can concatenate the actions of the citizens of the
United States with the Government of the United States. It seems to me that
I can, or you can, or any person can call another a traitor, or say that his
or her behavior is treasonous at any time and on any pretext. At most we
risk a suit for libel or slander, but it would seem that it is the accuser
that is much more at risk here than the accused. The accuser, in this case
Anne Coulter, is not - at least as far as I am aware - a lawfully empowered
agent of the Federal Government. She is as free to call any individual or
group a traitor as would be, say, James Carville would be to call Coulter a
'whacked out bimbo with the political morals of a ferret." Not that such a
southern gentleman as Carville would ever utter such a sentiment."

That being said, it seems weird that Mr. van der Leun - allows propaganda and half-truths to be posted on his page WITHOUT the person saying WHO they are. If it is of his belief that someone spouting their opinions, should stand behind it enough NOT to be anonymous - one can only wonder why he allows displays such as this page - which has denigrated into nothing more than personal attacks on employees. Shame on you good sir.


Posted by: Former Employee at August 8, 2007 4:25 PM

Poems from Gerard Van der Leun

Castle Indolence
--for Tom Disch


Once I worked in projective verse,
But alas my work was for the worse.
Today I add scintilla of technique
Which, sprinkled in, reveals the scenes I seek.

Thoughts are easily clad in rime, it's true,
But some thoughts live when hidden from our view.
To offer rules that eviscerate tradition
Is freedom for a day, but for a life--perdition.

In workshops coast to coast, our poets sweat,
Renouncing honest doggerel and making bets
On who will win the laurels and be fully funded.
(At least ten grand a year, perhaps a hundred.)

To achieve this purloined prize, they teach the kids
To scrawl barbaric yawps on everything they did
And didn't do to Barbie or to Ken
The Night Before in rooms of manly men.

Such grades delivered are rightly pass or fail
Since all agree that any poem is off the scale
Of justice or of judgment ( "Fuck Tom Disch!"),
And is always just as good as is the poet's wish.

The other lessons taught in workshop hell
Are: "Rime is always bad and feelings swell!
Express yourself, young and toothsome student!
(But know that bending over is still prudent.)

"You see, in this strange game, we've got a rule
That states the poet comes before the school.
So please ignore Eliot and Stevens, even Dante,
To let feelings, a la Streisand, up the ante.

"By composing, from such sources, endless plaints,
You are allowed to shitcan meter's steel restraints,
And craft within our workshops shapeless blobs
That will sustain your feelings and our jobs."

What remedy remains for profs so sodden
With modest grants and laurels cheaply gotten?
There's no pretending that such men are poets pure,
For "once a bear is hooked on garbage there's no cure."

Our only hope is to accurately describe them
As mired in their muck. So woe betide them,
Should they hope to gain a lasting recognition,
Their very work will work for their derision.

The poem's not a path to some fat pension,
Nor like some hired hand releasing inner tension.
It requires nothing less than all the soul and mind,
And is, like love and Homer, always blind.

It is not made in workshops, whole or part,
But in the "rag and boneshop of the heart."
And those that cannot blindly see and sense
Must chained forever be in Castle Indolence.

All poetry is dreaming written clear
To the inner eye that wakes the sleeping ear.
You must listen to crushed silence, seeing only night,
If you would give your readers second sight.

Posted by: Former Employee at August 13, 2007 7:33 PM

Atlantis


Beneath my sea, my tongue was tied by lies
That said I loved you not when love lay still,
And that false tongue denied your clearer eyes
That saw that love will always conquer will.
But now, as our first year in time has turned
To moments honed from diamonds, now I find
My love for you refracted and returned
In samite nights beside you in that blind
Dark within which only one light burns.
Which is your love, and in such love I sleep
The deeper sleep of one to whom Love turns
When, gasping like some being from the deep,
I first was flung upon your wave-smoothed strand,
And shown beneath your present sea my future land.

Posted by: Former Employee at August 13, 2007 7:35 PM

Felching
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For the town, see Felch Township, Michigan. For the nineteenth-century politician, see Alpheus Felch. For fictional company Felcher & Sons, see Terry Tate: Office Linebacker.
Felching is a sexual practice in which semen or other fluids are sucked out of another person's vagina or anus. The individual sucking the semen may swallow it or pass it, mouth to mouth, to a partner. The colloquial term for the latter act is snowballing.


[edit] Cultural references
The earliest appearance of the word appears to have been in the work of Zap Comix underground cartoonists, Robert Crumb, Rick Griffin, Victor Moscoso, S. Clay Wilson, "Spain" Rodriguez, Robert Williams in 1975. The Zap collective published two sexually themed comic books, Snatch and Jiz and decided to continue pushing the envelope by publishing a book named Felch . According to Williams (the pioneer of modern felching):

“ OK, since we didn’t get in any trouble with Snatch and Jiz, and a couple of these other comics, I was partying one night with Crumb, Wilson and these other guys. And Wilson mentioned to me, he says, "I was talking to Ken Weaver and he had this real interesting word." I said what, "what it?" A word called "felch." I said, "what does that mean?" He said, "it is a real old term and it means orally withdrawing semen from someone’s lower digestive track after having anal sex." I said, "there’s a word for something like that?" That’s incredible that not only is there a word like that, but it has a provenance. Hell yeah, we’re going to do a felch comic. So I talked to Crumb, "yeah we’re going to do a felch comic." ”

Crumb's contribution was a parody of an editorial cartoons featuring "John Q. Public" felching "Mother Nature/Lady Liberty" after she has had anal sex with a Pravda-style "rich man".[1] Williams produced a felching themed solo work in 1975 titled The Nectar of Satan.[2]

The term has appeared in several films, such as John Waters' movie A Dirty Shame, starring Tracey Ullman, Johnny Knoxville, Selma Blair, and Chris Isaak. Big Gay Al's pianist in the film South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut was playing an instrument made by Felcher & Sons. Captain Hero, from the cartoon show "Drawn Together," confronts a villain named the "Mad Felcher" in the episode "Ghostesses in the Slot Machine." - when he first hears that the villian's nearby, he references the act, exclaiming ""The Mad Felcher? That guy sucks ass!". The spoof Johnny English (2003) includes a minor character named Felch. "Felch" appears on one of the T-shirts in Mikel B. Anderson's Alone in the T-Shirt Zone, worn by Anderson's character.

In the film Dumb & Dumber, Lloyd and Harry have an argument in a hot tub over a past love they shared named "Fraida Felcher."

One of Ben Stiller's early roles, in a 1987 episode of Miami Vice, was Fast Eddie Felcher, a fast-talking peddler of religious paraphernalia.

In Chuck Palahniuk's novel Invisible Monsters, the main character explains the meaning of this word to her parents at Thanksgiving dinner.[3]

In the Australian sketch comedy show The Ronnie Johns Half Hour, the Nihilist character Sigmond usually holds a straw in his right hand. We are later told that this straw is for felching.


[edit] References
^ Robert Crumb: The Complete Crumb Comics, Volume 10. Fantagraphics Books, 1993. ISBN 1-56097137-1. Reproduction of cartoon from "Felch Cumix" 1975.
^ Robert Williams. Robert Williams, 'Underground(s)'. ImageTexT: Interdisciplinary Comics Studies. Retrieved on 2006-12-02.
^ Chuck Palahniuk: Invisible Monsters. W. W. Norton & Company, 1999. ISBN 978-0393319293.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felching"

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