Protect Yourself from FBI Manipulation (w/attorney Harvey Silverglate). Good advice in the age of total surveillance.
Posted by gerardvanderleun at June 19, 2013 10:44 AM
Never Talk To The Police, ESPECIALLY if you are innocent. Remain silent, or bring an attorney.
Posted by: Scott M at June 19, 2013 1:06 PMI recently read "Whitey Bulger", a terrific (if not horrific) read. Timely, as his trial is soon to start...
It will take a long long time for the FBI to regain any credibility in a lot of folks' eyes.
Fidarsi è bene ma non fidarsi è meglio.
To trust is good but not to trust is better.
And there are still people who think of themselves as Patriots who love the State.
Posted by: Bill Jones at June 19, 2013 10:06 PMFIB
Posted by: james wilson at June 19, 2013 10:22 PMDon't talk to the police, ESPECIALLY if you are innocent. Remain silent or bring an attorney.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc
Posted by: Scott M at June 19, 2013 11:44 PMNever talk to ANY cop, local or state government employee, federal employee, or contractor for same. Say nothing. Shut up. They will threaten you with arrest and jail. Let them arrest you. Let them jail you. Say NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING, not so much as "yes" or "no", until your legal counsel is physically present with you. A couple of nights in lockup is better than five years at Club Fed.
Scenario 1
[You are driving. A cop pulls you over and approaches your car. You roll down the window one inch.]
COP: "Sir, do you know why I stopped you?"
YOU: [shrug]
COP: "May I seen your license and proof of insurance?"
YOU: [You silently hand them over through the 1" crack]
COP: "Why were you going so fast back there?"
YOU: [shrug]
COP: "Did you realize you were exceeding the posted speed limit?"
YOU: [shrug]
At this point the cop will either detain you prior to arrest, write you a ticket, or let you go. In any case, say nothing. NOTHING.
Scenario 2
[Doorbell rings. You approach the door and look through the peephole. It's two Feds. You keep the door closed]
YOU: "Who is it?"
FED 1: "Is this the XXX residence?"
YOU: "Who are you, please?"
FED 1: "Agent Y, Federal Bureau of Investigation. Is this the XXX residence?"
YOU: "Please show me your identification."
[You open the door one inch. They hold up their cards and shields]
FED 1: "We're here to see Joe XXX. Are you Joe XXX, sir?"
YOU: "I am." [The law requires you to verbally identify yourself, NOT to present your ID documentation]
FED 1: "Sir, we'd like to ask you a few questions if we may. May we come in?"
FED 2: "This will only take a moment, sir."
YOU: "I'm sorry, but I won't talk to you unless my legal counsel is present. His name is Harvey WXYZ. You may contact him at this phone number. Good day, gentlemen."
[You shut the door]
Moral: NEVER NEVER NEVER TALK TO COPS (of any kind)
The advice not to talk to cops/feds is a little out of date. With the indefinite detention laws now on the books, if you refuse to talk, they can simply break down the door and arrest you, shoot your dogs, and deny you an attorney, while they lock you up, torture you and hold you for an indefinite amount of time.
More and more often these days, the cops are acting as judge, jury and executioner.
Basspig:
The choice is between a couple of days in jail for refusing to talk to the FBI without representation — or, being put in the position of being a SNITCH. And falsely, to boot! They are trying to get you to lie for them, in order to make their job easier.
I may have faults, but being a snitch isn't one of them. If the FBI or the police cannot obtain a conviction playing by the rules, then tough noogies for them. Maybe a bad guy gets away [and maybe not]. Or maybe the cop doesn't get his next promotion because he couldn't get the bad guy by following the rules. Too bad for that cop.
I am willing to put a day or two in jail rather than help the cops/FBI break the rules. The alternative is an America that I do not want to be a part of: a true Gestapo America.
Posted by: Smokey at June 20, 2013 11:30 AMAbsent an audio recording that you make yourself of any interaction with officials, it is impossible to speak in such a way that you can defend yourself against what they *claim* that you said.
But be careful of how you don't talk.
While everyone is looking at the destruction of the Fourth Amendment, the Nazgul were busy destroying the Fifth.
http://www.theorganicprepper.ca/supreme-court-decides-anything-you-dont-say-can-and-will-be-used-against-you-06182013
Went thru scenario one just last month. It went almost exactly as described with the exception that I was asked not "do you realize you were exceeding the posted limit back there" but "do you know the speed limit on this road. I answered "yes". He was polite, professional and efficient. I still got a ticket.
Posted by: Jeffersonian at June 20, 2013 8:05 PMYou may still have to speak, according to the latest SCOTUS ruling, but just enough in order to invoke your Fifth Amendment rights. Silence is now taken as either consent or admission of guilt.
Posted by: B Woodman at June 20, 2013 10:29 PMYou may still have to speak, according to the latest SCOTUS ruling, but just enough in order to invoke your Fifth Amendment rights. Silence is now taken as either consent or admission of guilt.
Posted by: B Woodman at June 20, 2013 10:29 PMYou may still have to speak, according to the latest SCOTUS ruling, but just enough in order to invoke your Fifth Amendment rights. Silence is now taken as either consent or admission of guilt.
Posted by: B Woodman at June 20, 2013 10:29 PMThat was pretty fascinating - thanks Gerard.
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