March 13, 2005

Oklahoma Will Be Just Fine When Al-Qaeda Shows Up

"No, honey, you've got to lead them just a hair."

AND NOW FOR A BRIEF VIDEO FROM The Oklahoma Full Auto Shoot.

Oklahoma: A state that knows that the First and Second Amendments go hand in glove.

Posted by Vanderleun at March 13, 2005 2:07 PM
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Liberals have a real challenge raising their kids (if they are so not-pc as to have any at all.) There's always a the new cause of the week and a million grievances, entitlements and rationalizations to teach to their young. I pity them the job; tenditious toil for 18 years and then the kid starts sneaking off to read the Wall Street Journal anyway.
Conservatives have a six item checklist, and then they are done and the republic is safe:
Guard their bodies and minds with your life.
Teach them to think.
Teach them to pray.
Teach them to love their families, homes and country.
Make sure they've got the three r's and the history of the sorry, magnificent human race down pat.
Teach them the Knight's code of honor for today's world: A soft word or a Glock 9mm.

Posted by: AskMom at March 13, 2006 4:06 PM

Holey moley! That's amazing. Wish I could've popped off a few hundred rounds in three seconds when I was a kid.

Compare and contast this to footage we see of Palestinian children using weapons.

Were these kids in Oklahoma screaming "death to Israel!"

Now any typical metrosexual liberal seeing this would run in revulsion. What would he do seeing Pali children firing off AKs screaming "Allahu Akbar!" ?

We know the answer: Israel and America are to blame.

Well, mr. liberal smarty-pants, did you ever think YOU ARE TO BLAME for the "blight" of conservatives in America?

Posted by: Doug at March 13, 2006 6:07 PM

I used to go shooting on old back roads up in the hills near Mt. Rainier. I would pass large and small groups of highly armed people who were also target shooting. Adults and kids slinging lead with no law-enforcement or medical personnel around for at least 20 miles. Was I scared? Not a bit. I've also driven through "the bad part of town" with cops and a hospital less than three blocks away. Was I scared? Hell yes! I was in an area where random shootings and carjackings were an everyday event.

What's my point? I dunno. I guess I find it interesting that the Lefties would me more than willing to stamp out the first group with the full force of the law than they would be to even inconvenience the latter group.

(My post sounded better when I was writing it in the shower)

Posted by: Mumblix Grumph at March 13, 2006 10:09 PM

Well what an interesting response from an interesting group of commentors. The display in OK is more than what it seems to be at first glance: An opportunity for enthusiasts to pursue an interest that is a little outside the mainstream--plinking on full-automatic is not a common practice. The video and commentary also gives voice to an often stifled impulse and one that was much more common in the months following the attack on America on September 11th.

One's instinct for survival is more complicated than fight-or-flight and it is explicit in the documents that lead to the founding on the United States. Not only do Americans instinctively seek to protect themselves, we tend to insure that protection by overwhelming force, preparedness, and cultural encouragements that promote peace through superior firepower. A sad element of mondernity is that appeasment tendencies show up in strength from time to time to dilute and weaken self defense and promote tyranny.

The OK shoot is a proxy for someone standing up to a bully and "busting his head", as we say in the unreconstructed South. It's good to see that some people have a big set of balls, even if that someone is a five-year-old girl, and it's good to see a video that likely sickens and disgusts soft-palmed teaching assistants at Yale.

Dan Patterson
Arrogant Infidel

Posted by: Dan Patterson at March 14, 2006 5:55 AM

I'm struggling to reconcile the last two posts. Peace through superior fighting power is OK as long as it is people in Oklahoma and not the urban jungle (and there is a sort of peace that holds in those areas -- just watch what happens when a major city redistricts the school attendance zones and all hell breaks loose in the schools as the gangs reshuffle for territory).

My other random thought is that I know a few people who do machine gun shoots. They do not have balls. They are rather meek. Even I can push them around. Something else at work here psychologically.

As a liberal (but not particularly a progressive one), and as someone who knows lots of liberals, I find the idea that we think ghetto slaughter is just fine somewhat disconcerting. I work long and hard to keep even one kid out of it, and I'm heartbroken every time one of mine shows up on the evening news. I may disagree with you on how to accomplish getting that disgusting situation improved, but I'm certainly all for "inconveniencing" the perpetrators. (Although these days I'm more nervous about coming across a meth lab in the rural areas where I ride/hunt/hike than I am driving through E. St. Louis.)

Whew. Good things my palms are calloused!

But carry on the dem-bashing if it makes you feel good. A little catharsis can clear and refocus the soul, this being lent and all.

(Along with knowing how to pray, my kid knows that in serving others, she is serving Christ. This is the guiding principle of my liberal home. I know you're just being clever and glib, but neither the left nor the right has the market cornered on morals as far as I'm concerned, and you're too smart not to know the same exact thing.)

Posted by: Rita Rouvalis at March 14, 2006 7:55 PM

Rita Rouvalis:

I don't think ghetto slaughter is fine at all. I don't know where you got that from the comments, unless I missed something.

The people at the Oklahoma shoot were responsible, law-abiding people. The little girl firing the machine gun was being carefully coached-and watched-by an adult (probably her father). Despite the blizzard of lead flying through the air, I doubt that a single person was either wounded or killed.

But it's a different story in cities. Most cities make it difficult or impossible for peaceful, law-abiding adults to own firearms. So kids learn about them from TV and movies, or the local gang members. They don't get proper training or adult supervision. The results speak for themselves.

Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2006 6:39 PM

rickl: see Mumblix's second paragraph for reference.

I understand the differences between recreational shooting and the shooting that goes in the cities. At the moment, I'm trying to imagine a gun safety program for gang bangers. I must say, it's cracking me up. What *would* that look like? "Dog, once you has jacked the ride, you should use the safety in order that you don't shoot yourself on accident while you is cruisin'."

(I'm not particularly anti-gun, even though I've come face-to-face with some hairy situations involving them.)

But thanks for the laugh!

Posted by: Rita R. at March 15, 2006 7:07 PM


Well, gang bangers tend to be felons, and where I live, it's illegal for felons to own guns. Not that they care about the finer points of law. But it's all the more reason why peaceable people should be armed, to improve their own chances of survival.

Posted by: rickl at March 15, 2006 8:27 PM

rickl: how many gang bangers do you know personally? I know a number. Surprisingly, many are not (yet) felons, and they are quite interested in and conversant in the finer points of the law.

I think the most recent studies done on concealed carry laws have determined that arming law-abiding citizens is pretty much completely irrelevant in terms of the crime rate. Teaching a five-year-old to shoot a fully automatic weapon is an interesting activity, but not one that is likely to keep her safe from common street crime.

Posted by: Rita R. at March 16, 2006 5:12 AM

Rita, I don't think it's to 'keep her safe from crime'; it's to have fun and try something new.

So you know some people who attend shoots and 'even you can push them around'. So what? I know people who do; they're not troublemakers, but they don't take to begin pushed around.

Nobody said that 'ghetto slaughter is fine', and how you came up with that is beyond me.

Posted by: Mark at March 16, 2006 1:35 PM

"I think the most recent studies done on concealed carry laws have determined that arming law-abiding citizens is pretty much completely irrelevant in terms of the crime rate"

Another poorly conducted 'study'.

Consult the records of crime within cities / States where gun ownership is illegal, then compare those stats to cities / States where gun ownership is both allowed and encouraged.

If that doesn't make a believer out of you then you must be one logically reprobate thinker(?).

I've come to realize that there's no getting through to those people who have already thrown logic & clear thinking to the winds of liberal mindlesness.

Posted by: at August 18, 2007 7:03 PM