As usual, it's complicated. Too complicated for the wake and bake set....
Posted by gerardvanderleun at January 17, 2014 10:40 AM
The truth is that the body has more endocannabinoid receptors than any other receptor type. It regulates just about everything in the body.
And getting people to switch from alcohol to pot saves lives.
http://healthland.time.com/2011/12/02/why-medical-marijuana-laws-reduce-traffic-deaths/
And don't even get me started on the prison-industrial complex. Yes. It is all very complicated. If your job depends on complications.
Posted by: M. Simon at January 16, 2014 4:35 PM"Very damaging" - every one of those studies eventually gets debunked. It does not create mental health issues. It does not cause schizophrenia etc. etc. etc.
Dr. Donald Tashkin - formerly heavy into prohibition - found it prevents lung cancer.
Here is a bit for you - the body's endocannabinoid production peaks in the 15 to 25 year age range. Cannabis use peaks in the 15 to 25 year age range. No one knows why that correlation exists. All they know is that "marijuana harms youth". I'm not convinced.
Yep. Very complicated.
Posted by: M. Simon at January 16, 2014 4:45 PMIs there any chance that people predisposed to early onset of mental illness are self medicating for their condition? There are anecdotal reports from schizophrenics that high CBD cannabis (Charlotte's Web) help. See video here:
http://rockford-for-safe-access.blogspot.com/2014/01/cannabis-cbd-videos.html
Very complicated.
Ya. Know. It would be nice if Crowder had actually studied the subject in depth Like Dr. Raphael Mechoulam, or University of Colorado Professor Dr. Bob Melamede.
So why aren't these questions getting answered? Well it is difficult to do research on the subject in the US unless you propose looking into the harms. Dr. Donald Abrams knows that one. That is how Tashkin got his research done. He was a well known prohibitionist for a very long time.
Posted by: M. Simon at January 16, 2014 4:59 PMHow many more lazy, overeating moochers do this country need? Notice that the Libertarians have not attempted to block welfare payments for dope smokers. They are teenagers that just want to be treated as adults, but not take on adult responsibilities.
Heeere we go. Get ready for a deluge of the same old tired "arguments."
Anybody who's smoked weed and denies it stays in your system for a looooong time thereafter is a liar, or has his head up his ass.
Anybody who indulged in da chronic as an adolescent is probably disqualified from adult discussion.
Posted by: Rob De Witt at January 16, 2014 6:11 PM"Anybody who indulged in da chronic as an adolescent is probably disqualified from adult discussion."
Except for me, of course.
Posted by: vanderleun at January 16, 2014 6:18 PMI tried it once but didn't inhale and I didn't like it.
But it's only a plant.. so is tobacco, that caused both my parents to die of lung cancer.
Posted by: Rocky at January 16, 2014 7:06 PM@Scott, we get it, really. You don't like dope. We understood this the first hundred times you told us. You're now acting like you're in a smoke filled haze yelling the same old tired stuff over and over and over. You're mimicking those you chastise! Let it go dood, srsly. We won't hold you down and blow shotguns in your face til your eyes are crossed, I promise. LOL
After all, it's only a weed that turns to a flower, in your mind.
Posted by: ghostsniper at January 16, 2014 8:37 PMThe infernal curse of Puritanism in this country is that it gives free rein to every clown who thinks that because x (where x= beer, whiskey, heroin, marijuana, sugar, crisco, etc.) is bad for your health, that the government should ban it, because THE CHILDREN.
I no longer buy any of these arguments. I cannot save myself, or the closest members of my family. If you want to kill yourself. Go ahead. I cannot make you want to live.
Sure, there would be heroin addicts and pot heads in every doorway and blocking alleys all over town. But, it is their problem, not the government's or mine.
Posted by: Fat Man at January 16, 2014 10:13 PMFat Man, you will be made to care because of the perfect storm of politics, you will be taxed to pay for anyone's desire eventually. Once dope is legal, and we already have a medical establishment prescribing it for pretend reasons, you will be required to buy it for your fellow human in the USA. It won't matter if they are citizens or not. It won't matter if they ever paid taxes or not. It won't matter how many laws they broke to get here, you will be required to pay for their desire.
Allowing people access to dope and welfare will be a catastrophe akin to amnesty and welfare for any criminal that wants it. Cloward-Piven ain't a law firm.
Posted by: Scott M at January 17, 2014 1:12 AMSee conservatives like scottm don't really mind the nanny state as long as they get to be the nannies.
Posted by: b moe at January 17, 2014 6:15 AMScott M needs to go burn one.
JWM
Posted by: jwm at January 17, 2014 8:24 AMCan you imagine what he'd be like if he was a LIEberal?
Posted by: ghostsniper at January 17, 2014 9:32 AMIf you didn't inhale, OF COURSE you didn't like it. I only quit 30-some years ago, so I'm as doomed as JWM and Gerard.
Is it good for you? No. Is it anybody's business but your own? No, as long as you don't show up at the ER with whatever it might cause and expect to get treated on my dime.
Make reefer and anything else legal, but while you are at it defund Medicaid and repeal the EMTALA.
Don't wear a motorcycle helmet. Don't buckle your seatbelt. Drive as fast as you like on an empty road. Smoke cigarettes until you hack your lungs up. Sit on your couch and eat chips until your butt is big as the couch. Get your gay on until you get AIDS. I don't care. Just don't send me the damn bill!
Posted by: mushroom at January 17, 2014 12:40 PMSomebody has to get up and go to work or all of this becomes a junk heap and an abandoned camp ground. The dope smokers live in a word where others contribute, while they slack off and their solution, suggested by the brain-fog is to just relax. "There will always be suckers willing to keep the country running." Like I've said before, they resemble nobody as much as moody teenagers, pretending to be adults, but living in dad's house and eating dad's groceries and driving dad's car.
When the next Libertard tells you to "stop pushing your conservative social agenda" remind him he's never stopped pushing his liberal social agenda. And the combination of liberal hedonism, liberal pacifism, liberal taxation, liberal regulation, etc., etc. will be financial ruin and a liberal gulag. Libertarianism works to run a Math Club of 7 nerds, it doesn't work to run a country of takers AND makers.
There is no reason to promote more slackers. If dope was legal and drink was being legalized, I'd say the same thing. Don't change the law. If you can't get wasted with what is legal now you aren't smart enough to have a say. The added danger is that pot certainly does one thing and that is it makes you lazier. We have all the lazy turds one country can use. We need more people to help pull the wagon for a while. There is a reason why the hippy communes when out of existence. There is a reason why Burning Man isn't a full-time community.
The commielibs would like nothing more than we all act like welfare dependents and lazy potheads. You may think you are signing up for an herbal vacation, but you are signing up for slavery. People aren't going to always pay for your hobby just because you think it's funny.
Cloward-Piven ain't a law firm.
Posted by: Scott M at January 17, 2014 12:44 PMPeople will be irresponsible as long as they can get away with being irresponsible. Make them responsible for their actions -- take away the nanny state teat and the "safety net", and they'll become productive and useful. Or not. It's up to them. It's not marijuana or any other substance that's making them act like moody teenagers, it's having Mom's basement to crash in -- whether that is a useless government job or food stamps and Section Eight housing.
Posted by: mushroom at January 17, 2014 1:03 PMHe just keeps telling us more and more about himself in spite of himself, he can't help it. Like the criminal that goes back to the scene of the crime. He's a lazy fuk, applies for every sort of gov't handout possible, lies his ass off, and blames everyone else. All the while running his mouth about something he knows nothing about. He should run for prez.
Posted by: ghostsniper at January 17, 2014 2:10 PMName one govt program I have applied for? What lie have I told? Against my will I work and pay my bills and my taxes while the lazy want their dope and demand I relax.
Notice all of the well-reasoned arguments in this thread, besides "you need to burn one". The dope supporters "forgot" to first get disqualified from govt welfare and food stamps. That was an accident and they will rectify that just as soon as this CD ends, and their movie is over, and they have a snack, and then a nap, and then a bowl, and then... Wait, what was I saying. Oh yeah, legalize dope.
I haven't said whether or not I've smoked or how much I have or haven't smoked. My point stands either way. Now, get off the couch and help pay for some slacker to keep slacking. It's your duty as the responsible adult in this country. A lot of slackers are depending on you, while they call you names.
Posted by: Scott M at January 17, 2014 3:32 PM"I work and pay my bills and my taxes...."
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You are paying for the slackers you are complaining about you silly ass, and you're bragging about it!
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"Notice all of the well-reasoned arguments...."
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There is no reasoned arguments with collectivist asswipes like you scottm. You think you know what's right for everyone else but you don't even know what's right for yourself (see above).
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I've smoked lots of the shit, maybe tons of it, and would be right now except for the terrorists all over this rotten assed country trying to fuck people up that have harmed no one. You're one of them.
Until people like you stop funding the machine that steals your money before you even receive it you're going to continue to piss and moan about the people that receive the benefits.
You are your own worst enemy scottm.
Posted by: ghostsniper at January 17, 2014 8:12 PMScott, No one was trying to mount a well reasoned argument. We were giving you the razzberries. You must have some good about you if you're a fan of Gerard's, but all of your arguments against pot could (and were) made against beer. Prohibition worked out pretty poorly. And millions of us have been enjoying the herb for many decades without any ill effects. We just wish to continue to do so without fear of being treated like criminals. Bottom line- if you don't like pot,or pot smokers- well, no one says you have to like anything. Just leave us alone.
JWM
Posted by: jwm at January 17, 2014 10:21 PMConservative values. Class Warfare is for dope-smoking commies. Stand on your own. No leeching. No whining. Fuck the hippies.
Posted by: chasmatic at January 18, 2014 6:09 AMIs see there are a few Bloomberg republican statists on here. Bloomberg wants to tell you you can't put sugar, salt or transfats in your body and the crowd here wants to tell you not to put pot in your body.
There is no difference between the political parties, they both want control, they just want it for different reasons.
I don't smoke the stuff, hate the smell and the way it makes me feel. I don't drink, don't like the way it makes me feel. However I wont tell someone else they can't enjoy it.
Posted by: Potsie at January 18, 2014 7:59 AM"There is no reasoned arguments with collectivist asswipes like you scottm. "
Ghost-sniper just called ScottM a collective asswipe.
Ghost? You are realllly off on this one.
Sorry, I needed to point out this error of Federal-Deficit magnitude.
We all make mistakes, but the big obvious mistakes such as that one smell ... of something ... different.
Smells like a lie. If that's the case, that ain't cool.
But I could be wrong.
Posted by: cond0011 at January 18, 2014 10:36 AM1789-1905, there was no such a thing as an illegal drug. The dam was about to break. The Progressive flood came through in 1906. Everything was illegal. And bring on the income tax, the Federal Reserve, women's suffrage, Prohibition, all in ten years. The republic was finished, but it's great store of momentum carried it a long way. Bless those dead white men with bad teeth and whigs.
The wheel turned. Now conservatives argue for drug enforcement, progressives for legalization. Oh, and tax it, of course. Each makes a terrible argument, for different reasons. Conservatives are trapped in the constraints of the corpse of the republic, progressives rather like it. They ought to, they made it that way.
james wilson at January 18, 2014 10:47 AM
Bravo!
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The whole modern world has divided itself into Conservatives and Progressives. The business of Progressives is to go on making mistakes. The business of Conservatives is to prevent mistakes from being corrected. Even when the revolutionist might himself repent of his revolution, the traditionalist is already defending it as part of his tradition. Thus we have two great types -- the advanced person who rushes us into ruin, and the retrospective person who admires the ruins. He admires them especially by moonlight, not to say moonshine. Each new blunder of the progressive or prig becomes instantly a legend of immemorial antiquity for the snob. This is called the balance, or mutual check, in our Constitution. — G.K. Chesterton
And as far as the Republicans fighting the welfare state? Medicare Part D.
Posted by: M. Simon at January 20, 2014 2:00 PM
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