Golly, quite a different post from mine that you featured urging people to vote for Romney last year. Of course, it was a different planet then. The objective was to get rid of Obama, which was how far we had descended. Now that I no longer need to hold my nose and can breathe freely again, my priorities have changed.

Its too late for all that. It doesn't matter what you do any more, we're past the point of fixing this. Its time to batten down the hatches and ride the storm out.

Don, so you were one of those people that held your nose and voted for a big government liberal you didn't like to get rid of a big government liberal you don't like?
Why don't republican voters see how stupid that is?

I am urging all of us to stop indulging this fantasy of magical thinking. I see one of our biggest problems is the idea that we don't have to do anything now. For various reasons, and there are always hundreds of reasons, we like to imagine if we just do the right thing in the future when the ultimate battle takes place, all will be fine. NO. We win the future by doing small things now. We don't sleep walk through House & Senate negotiations over gun control or immigration reform. If we wait until the date for a vote on passage of gun control or immigration reform we will already be lost.

The Left was first to learn, but the RINOs also now adopt, if they can make their daily slide toward our defeat just seem like one small step and tell us they don't want the ultimate outcome we fear they want there will always be enough fearful Republican voters on our side that will not resist their efforts. The Left & RINOs have learned they can do anything as long as they don't announce "this is the one thing we need to destroy conventional America." They can still proceed in the direction toward ultimate destruction as long as they deny they are after ultimate destruction. Ditto, the RINOs.

Everybody but us has broken into little groups and hired people to daily harass politicians to advance the group's agenda. Until politicians receive daily harassment from us about our issues there is no reason for them to adopt our demands.

We have nice people that don't want to be rude, don't know what to do, don't know when to do it, and hope someone else will do t for them. All of these people (me & you) have to stop all of that. Today is the day to call your politicians and demand action and answers. Call every day or every other day. Go to their local district offices and do it in person for maximum effect. Be polite, but forceful. If they start hiding from you you must escalate.

We have to become a bigger pain in their rears than The Left. Our liberty is at auction and we must stop justifying why we are not in the game. We have to stop waiting for their guilty conscience to make them stop. We will all be dead or enslaved before they detect their conscience.

I call on the Mayberry crowd to stop remembering what life was like in Mayberry and harass the outlaw biker gang that is currently terrorizing Mayberry. The gang is not worried if we put a permanent mark in their school record. Make them worry about a political piano wire across the road. They have rigged the system so we lose before most of us recognize there is going to be a fight. There is no longer an excuse for not knowing everyday we are in an ongoing fight. There is no cavalry and there is no gain from being the last one to recognize the battle. When you do nothing you hurt all of us. A little action from all of us will prevent having to be violent in the future. Doing nothing will force you and us into violence. Doing nothing is not the moderate safe choice. It guarantees American fighting American.

Well... once the economic rupture occurs, alot of Republicans will have vast amounts of time to do something. Anything. The OWS crowd were not the workers. The Obama Foodstamp crowd are not the workers. The DC crowd that we all support are not the workers.

We are.

Talking takes much less time and requires none of the shipping/handing costs of showing up at a Townhall Meeting or a Protest.

Talking (and reading) is what gives us a clearer and clearer focus as where to address the problems out there when the rupture occurs.

We know the score.

When the rupture occurs, the talking ends and the doing begins. Townhall meetings, protests... you name it... it will dwarf the Tea Party protests as most of us will then have all sorts of 'free' time to devote to politics.

Though we represent the law abiding component in this country, if I were part of the Mainstream Media, I strongly suggest they not show up unless they are disguised as Fox News reporters as an old custom of Tar and Feathers would probably be re-invoked.

Liberals living in GOP-heavy districts in South Carolina are already feeling the heat. They fear self-identifying. When confronted politely with what they've made obvious, "you're a Democrat, aren't you?" they dance around it. "So you're Independent?" and they don't like that implication either. They make shit up: "No. Well, I'm well-informed on all the issues. (Clue #1) I take a lot of time to study any candidate, I'm not one way or the other." (Clue #2) "Some people just want to pigeon-hole me, or call me a Socialst." (We have a winnah!)

And then they go on with talking points right out of HuffPo or Buzzfeed or MSNBC and you just have to get right back in their face, cut them off, and stop being nice to them and tell them why you are no longer being nice to them.

We have talked and learned for decades. Action is needed. It is magical to think one day in the future some overwhelming mass of conservatives will show up. And, by showing up we will settle this issue with The Left. That is like waiting until gangrene has spread so your life is in dangef before you treat it. The fearful masses will keep deciding today is not the day and this is not the fight. The Left & RINOs will always tell us they just want this little bit of unimportant liberty, not all liberty, and the fearful masses will choose not to fight.

We must begin fighting now. We must fight over each item. We must fight in the party primaries so we get a fighter for the General election.

We must recognize anything that is used as an excuse not to fight and fight anyway. Things will not improve without a fight

I suspect one reason few give a damn is because they know that we long ago passed the point where there is a political solution.

All comfort and self-delusion will have to either be stripped away in a traumatic event, or ground away over time by a squalid and horrible reality.

Even then, people may not act. Let's face it, the aging white population has less energy every year.

Lorne, you may be right. But, I see people as part of my job doing what they normally do, the way they normally do it. I don't see deep thought and careful analysis. I see careless, busy, self-indulgent, short-cut taking, and cut-throat. I read an awful lot and I listen to tons of Talk Radio of all description, but sports. The callers to the shows don't show deep analysis and long-term planning. I read tons of blogs/magazines of all descriptions, except celebrity, and very few of the comments suggest there is much going on that isn't happening on the surface of decision-makers and the public.

We may or may not be past the point of fixing this mess. If we choose not to fix it me create that failed future. But, when was this time when it could have been saved and what was the movement to save it? I submit we have become more and more passive and one excuse to remain passive these days is the conclusion it can't be saved or it needs to collapse before we start to save it.

Passive and polite are qualities being used against us. It's better to do anything, even if it's just a spur to more action. And we need to be suspicious of anything that seems to give us permission to remain passive.

The Left has advanced very far just by getting their people to fight everywhere all of the time. The Left didn't wait until all was in place for their effort, they put things in place and kept working. If America is so great it's worth a fight to fix it. Why can't we fight for a change?

I tend to agree with Lorne. There is no political solution. The parasites will stay on the host until it is dead and cold, and the parasites are not just the welfare queens. They are politicians of all stripes at all levels, ever-burgeoning drawers of bureaucrats, petty officials, teachers, police officers, firefighters, TSA thugs, and various species of regulators.

The American government may still pretend to be an umpire and a defender of individual rights. In fact, it has become a tool of force and power to continue to feed the parasites.

Let us ask ourselves which politician is willing to expose the sham that is the current monetary system. The Senate doesn't pass a budget for four years, and it doesn't make any difference. The government doesn't shut down. More money is sucked up and spent. When we answer the question of how such a thing could be, we will be getting close to recognizing and acknowledging our true situation.

Bernanke will likely shift money -- it's "only" $6 billion or so -- to Cyprus to cover the House's shortfall. It's not real money, just digits so it doesn't make any difference. There will be no crisis in Europe unless and until a crisis is needed. The only possible threat to the House is that the marks will see, not that the game favors the House, but that, even if they win, the House won't let them out with their chips. I'm starting to wonder if Cyprus is less a bug and more a feature, a way to release some pressure in the plates. But maybe that's just excessive cynicism, if there is such a thing these days.

It is a little like Hotel California, you can check out any time you like, but you won't be allowed to leave -- at least not with anything. That's true for the nickel-and-dime crowd, but it's also true for the high-rollers. That's why "they" won't fix it.

"We must begin fighting now. We must fight over each item. "

Not enough of us Doers have lost our little sand castles from this confiscatory administration. When enough of us lose our lifes' work, the plowshares will drop.

While there's still hope, there's still the desire to work. The parasites are overwhelming the host which is now nearing the endstage of its paradigm.

But that's what the parasites want.

The trouble is they are going to realize that us workers don't work because we 'like' to and when they refashion the United States into their Socialist Workers Utopia (where we continue to work without any hope of a future for ourselves, and they continue to consume without producing anything of value) and give us those marching orders for their shovel ready jobs, they are going to have as hard of a time to get us to work as those brownshirts they've been fostering with all those foodstamps, welfare, cellphones, etc...

What happens after that, I haven't the faintest idea, as it goes outside the pale of the mind of a civilized and Christian Man.

...and outside that Pale, beyond the edge of our 'World' ... there be dragons.

A vote for Romney this time around wasn't a vote for him, it was a vote to desperately try to stop the ACA. now it cannot be stopped and what people do not seem to understand is that this monstrosity isn't just about health insurance. It WASN'T WRITTEN when it was voted on, and it covers far, far, far more than just health insurance. Every single concept that can be remotely or even absurdly connected to "health care" is being attached to this thing in over 7 feet of rules and regulations... so far.

This was our last gasp, after all the institutions of government failed to do their job to kill it before it was hatched. Now its too late, it cannot be stopped and its going to destroy this nation. Romney, much as I couldn't stand his policies, was the only chance - remote, desperate - but only chance to stop it. Its too late, now. Talk, action, it doesn't matter. Its over. We had our shot, we got just over 200 years, and now the dream of the founding fathers is staked through the heart and dead.

Don, so you were one of those people that held your nose and voted for a big government liberal you didn't like to get rid of a big government liberal you don't like?
Why don't republican voters see how stupid that is?

Potsie, moral equivalence is the most simplistic and destructive of philosophies, and you seem to be an especially entusiastic adherent. Romney was not as bad as Obama for a number of reasons that would be obvious to many people other than yourself. I suppose, assuming you voted at all, that maybe you voted for Gary Johnson? How many didvisions did any third parties have in 2012?

For all his cringe-worthy faults, Romney would have given the economy a positive kick-in-the-pants, and his crony capitalism would have worked, unlike the abject failure of Oabama's version. Would that have been a way-less-than-ideal situation? Of course. Even with a Romney presidency we'd still have to work to pry the country lose from the government. But that's all in an alternate universe now. Third party sounds much better post-2012.

If you have grown up ideas to share with us, please do so Potsie.

Don, I voted my values of limited government, less spending and more freedom, that is all. I vote for what is important to me, not what is important to you. You held your nose, I cast my vote proudly. You don't share my values of limited government and more freedom. To say Romney would have given the economy a kick start is foolish.
I don't vote for the lesser of two evils because evil is evil.

I think it is not unreasonable to assume the economy would have gotten a jolt from the election of Romney, not necessarily due to any of his merits - although he had some - but because of the reversal of damage and hostility from the White House. The very idea that maybe, just maybe there was a shot at stopping "obamacare" from going through would have been a huge boost to business.

There's a place for stubbornly clinging to ideology and hopeless principle, but there's also a place for compromise and doing the best you can. Not that it mattered. Your vote didn't throw the election.