March 13, 2017

The Marching Morons on Campus

Madison University "Students" Stumped By Insanely Simple and Obvious Hypothetical

"Alliance Defending Freedom," an advocacy group for conscience rights, asks some students if they support a dress designer's right to refuse to dress Melania Trump, or of the right of a Muslim singer to refuse a Christian Church's request to sing at an Easter mass. Of course they immediately agree that these creative professionals have that right, and must have that right, because -- Because Of Course. What other way could it possibly be? Then they're asked if a Christian photographer should have the right to refuse to take photos at a gay wedding.

Posted by gerardvanderleun at March 13, 2017 1:46 PM
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When licensed to do privately owned business in a locale are you obligated by the locale's law to serve all potential customers equivalently?

Is such a local law in conflict with the constitutional rights of the business owner, whether individual or corporate entity?

What are the limits for free exercise of one's religion?


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Posted by: Howard Nelson at March 13, 2017 2:38 PM

Of course, these dear snowflakes agree! They don't know the difference between true religion and false, nor between fact and fiction

Posted by: Madonna Seefeldt at March 13, 2017 2:40 PM

Of sourse, these dear snowflakes agree! They don't know the difference between true religion and false, nor between fact and fiction

Posted by: Madonna Seefeldt at March 13, 2017 2:40 PM

It's gratifying to note that the students' default position was mainly in favor of the individual rights of the service provider. This occurred in a one-to-one Q & A, that is, in the absence of an overbearing mind-deranged mob which admits of no personal responsibility.

Posted by: Howard Nelson at March 13, 2017 3:50 PM

Very well played. The default is to observe the rights of any religion except Christianity. There is a reason for this, of course. It has at least a bit to do with the offense of the cross, which means that Jesus requires things of you. You're a debtor. It's a squirmy place to find yourself, and while you are resisting this venom will fly.
Unhappy to read this? Here's what Bob Dylan said in 1981 about this:
Stop your conversation when he passes on the street
Hope he falls upon himself, oh, won't that be sweet
Because he can't be exploited by superstition anymore
Because he can't be bribed or bought by the things that you adore.
Christian-hate is an old thing. Anti Semitism, too.
At the political level, it is also about upturning the status quo. Muslim? Cool, baby!! Take it to the man!
Christian? Uhhh...okay for you as long as you stay shut up. And bake the f-ing cake!

Posted by: Casey Klahn at March 13, 2017 5:01 PM

Hahaha! Can't you people see the solution is right there?!?! I am absolutely no Trump sycophant, but this is what Steve Bannon tapped into! These kids aren't against what is right ... THEY JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO BELIEVE BECAUSE NOBODY EVER SHOWED THEM!

These kids are wonderful. They are absolutely GREAT! They are the echo of our ancestors.

America, embrace your responsibility and show our children what you love, what made you great. Show them why you love America!

They are an empty vessel that will.not.be.filled.with.evil. Fill these vessels with the truth and goodness of your Christian heritage and they will learn to sing again. They will sing again I am confident. They will do so not because of any politician, but because their parents and grandparents prayed to a Just God, and he remembers prayers. So be it, amen.

Posted by: edaddy at March 13, 2017 6:51 PM

The issue is freedom of association...which the government at every level crapped on when pushing the civil rights laws in the 60's. Government is force...use as little of it as possible.

Posted by: indyjonesouthere at March 13, 2017 9:42 PM

The interesting thing is that these students never saw the final question coming. They walked right into the trap and then the gears, indeed, started grinding.

Posted by: Chuck at March 14, 2017 5:37 AM

"The interesting thing is that these students never saw the final question coming." Yes. Supposedly we've been teaching them "to think". Not learn "dry, useless facts". So somehow we've failed to do either. Or so it appears.

Posted by: Larry Geiger at March 14, 2017 6:45 AM

"The interesting thing is that these students never saw the final question coming."

I used to regard the old remark about studying "Underwater Basket-weaving" as an embarrassingly hick way of making fun of college students. But with the deer-in-the-headlights reactions here to the bloody obvious punchline question, you have to wonder what the hell these people ARE studying, if not UBW-101 ?!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at March 14, 2017 8:06 AM

L. Geiger has it mainly right.
Teaching critical thinking is one part, learning and appreciating critical thinking is another part.
Obtaining adequate evidence and context is another part.
Timely appropriate action with insufficient information is the common challenge.

Posted by: Howard Nelson at March 14, 2017 8:45 AM

Why would a Muslim sing at an Easter service? And who would ask a Muslim to do such a thing?

What a dumb example.

Why not ask if a Muslim can refuse to go into a "contract" to provide something to a gay/honmsexual wedding too?
Refusing a public accomodation is one thing (refusing to serve in a public restaurant), but refusing to enter into a contract to provide a service is something else.
No one should be compelled to enter into a contract against your own best interests.

Posted by: David at March 14, 2017 12:37 PM

The host walked them into an L shaped ambush. I cannot believe they did not see it coming.

Posted by: Snakepit Kansas at March 14, 2017 7:03 PM
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