I pee in the sink, thereby obviating the problem---if obviating is the word I want.

If caught....

"Just WHAT the hell are you DOing peeing in MY sink!?"

...I use staunch denial.

" I am NOT peeing in YOUR sink. I'm measuring its depth."

I disagree. Toilet looks better closed. It's not designed to look best open. The fly of trousers, garage doors, car doors, car hoods, suit jacket. Looks undone or incomplete otherwise. Like you made a sandwich and didn't put anything away.

No deal!

"If you are still a sensitive little forest flower of a girly-girl, you can hover above the seat like your mother taught you to do in public restrooms frequented by filthy females who have hovered and sprayed before you. "

Man is this true. I worked as a cashier in a convenience store/gas station beside I-95 in Florida. I thought I'd developed a cynical and angry view of consumers from having an Aspy personality and working at theme parks and fast-food restaurants. Working one day and being responsible for a Women's Room tells you more about women than most anything else.

Every last women tears off about 40 feet of toilet paper to cover every square inch of the bathroom surfaces and then proceeds to hover and filth-ify all said surfaces.

The one item is a Women's Room which is never out of stock, the pre-made paper "butt gaskets" made to protect the women from the WMD germs of past women.

After the deed is done all paper is left in place.

If God wanted women to travel He would have made them urinal friendly.

A Men's Room after a day of public use would have a few paper towels on the floor near the trash can.

I am about to suffer from pre-micturition convulsive laughter, Vanderleun. At least it isn't post-micturition convulsion syndrome. Write something scary, and it could be.

Rick sez: Toilet looks better closed. It's not designed to look best open.

Kittehs agree. When I was a kid everyone in the household put the seat down after use for a reason that had nothing to do with gender wars-- it discouraged the cats from drinking out of the toilet.

The position of the toilet seat has never been a problem in my house because MY HUSBAND insists that the LID be closed after every use.

Which reminds me: NOTE TO REAL ESTATE AGENTS! Put the damn toilet lid seat down before you take a photo of the bathroom. It will improve the quality of your photos 100%, and make me think you are smart enough to sell real estate.

(Ahem. Ah. Excuse me Gerard, for going all pissy, but I've been house-shopping.)

@Deborah, check out the next-door house's layout if it's higher than the one you're looking at. We looked at a new house in a subdivision a few years ago, and found that from the upstairs bedroom we could look through the bathroom skylight of the house next door and see the throne therein.

"it discouraged the cats from drinking out of the toilet."

I've found that one swift kick in the cat's butt when I found it drinking out of the toilet solved that problem for the rest of the cat's life. (After it climbed out and dried itself.)

Confession: When I turned fourteen I sold all my shares in The Woman Haters Club to Spanky and Alfalfa.

The dainty hand that can't put it seat down is the one that grabs the brush and scrubs the bowl and cleans the lid after the kids pee all over the seat.

So tell me again about the seat's position...

When you leave the lid up, the dog drinks out of the toilet. And don't be telling me you'll kick the dog to teach him to stay away from the toilet; he was here before you. He doesn't snore, he never hogs the remote control, he is always glad to see me, so if I had to choose...

Fine then, go f*&k the dog too.

This has not been an issue in my marriage I think because my husband has two older sisters. I don't even think it's an issue with my kids and they look for things to fight about. I was starting to think it was a myth. Now, cat drinking out of toilet... been there, done that, wish I could just teach it to do it's business instead.. and then flush. But maybe I just expect too much out of life.

Hmm, Gerard, why all the anger?

The sanitary and disease-preventing method of toilet use is to close the toilet lid before flushing, keeping the micro-droplets of water created from becoming airborne. Also, it prevents dropping objects into the toilet by accident, which is just a messy disaster. Open lid, use toilet, close lid, flush, wash hands- twice - because e.coli is like Velcro and sticks to skin with barbs on the cell surface. As for pleasing women in the bathroom, trying washing her back.

Sorry. No. The damn thing looks unkempt propped open.

ScottM made me laugh. Of course he's completely wrong, but he's still really funny. And that reminds me of a story. Luckily my husband has evolved out of the cave man stage having grown up with four sisters, so he actually knows how to put the seat down. When our grandson was first potty trained, he HAD to go when we were taking him home. Reluctantly Bob had to take him in a nasty Village Pantry men's room, so he had to explained to him he would not be able to sit. He said, "I'll hold you up and you'll have to whip out your hose and pee." My 3 1/2 year-old grandson said, "HOSE?" and then just cracked up laughing. Thankfully, Grandpa taught him bathroom manners. If my 9 year-old grandson can remember to put down the seat, I would have thought at least one of you men would have figured it out by now. :D

I remember reading of the mushroom cloud of filthy toilet water launched into the air when flushed with the lid up. That provided all the incentive I needed to keep the seat (and lid) down after use.

Keeping the animals out of it was a bonus, too.

Who cares if the seat is left up? I'm just happy that if the seat isn't getting peed *on*.

Fine then, go f*&k the dog too.
Posted by at June 25, 2011 4:29 AM

I was being sarcastic (as I am sure Vanderleun knows). You are just rude. And a spineless coward, posting your rudeness without a name. Be gone before someone drops a house on you.

At a service station in Texas with a unisex facility and a line of attractive women, it's my turn. On exiting I announced smilingly that I'd left the lid up so they'd know I hadn't soiled it. Received by good natured laughter.

When the Love of My Life moved in we had the toilet seat discussion. It was a week before we got married. I learned I was expected to put the seat down for her. I told her that A) It was my home before it was hers and that B) I'd prefer Even Steven since it is just as easy to put it down as up. An argument ensued.

I then decided it was time to mark a bit of territory. So to speak. I stopped putting the seat up at all. What can I say? I'm a barbarian. That did the trick.

Took all of two days of her wiping the seat off and things were Even Steven forever after.

I confirm sarcasm for Random.

Tell you what, ladies. I'll promise to put the seat back in the down position if you promise not to leave blood on it.

Jus' speakin' from experience.

I really have never understood the need for a pissing match between the differing genders over this.

What's the big deal, guys, in just putting the damn seat down after doing our stand-up business? My wife and daughters appreciate when I do so. I love my wife and daughters. So I do it. And if I forget, and they complain (which they almost never do), I just smile, apologize, and promise to do my best in the future. I figure why sweat the insignificant stuff. It's just not worth it.

I'm not married, so I used to always leave the toilet open. That changed when I adopted two kittens. I was actually more afraid of them accidentally falling in and drowning than drinking out of it. They're adults now, but I've been leaving the lid down ever since.

And since I'm a bit lax about housecleaning, it's less unsightly that way.

In my (lifelong bachelor's) house, I keep the toilet lid down for the aforementioned reason of keeping the cats out. One in particular, the Maine Coon, is large enough to get a drink from it, even if just the seat is down, while keeping his back paws on the floor.

I don't know why this is an issue. Lid down. No microdroplets coating the inside of the bathroom (ew), no things dropping in the toilet that have to be fished out (ew), no pets drinking out of the toilet, and—you might like this one—no looking at the toilet and wondering if it's really time to clean the damned thing.

Seriously, there's a lid there for a reason.

no

Somebody has plagiarized an episode of Curb your Enthusiasm here. We just got that episode tonight.
Where's the snuffling dog part and the weatherman on the golf course?

Seat is left where the seat is left in my house. Up, down, lid closed. Somehow both me and my son have the sense to check before we use it, and one stone cold look and the blunt question, "So you're saying your not intelligent enough to check the seat before you sit? And what if the lid is down? Do you just cut loose all over that?" ended that baloney the first and last time it got brought up.

Problem solved. It's almost as stupid as the "toilet paper over or under" drama. I have real problems in my life, and not checking where you are going to sit before you sit doesn't even hit my radar. Talk to the wall. I ain't having it.