March 28, 2005
HER BODY, MY SELF : What's In It for Michael Schiavo?
A SHORT NOTE CONCERNING the financial benefits to Michael Schiavo that will accrue from the death of his wife.
I've seen numerous comments that the money given to Terri following various settlements has been dissipated in paying for hospice care and legal bills over the years. I have no way of knowing how true that is, but I suspect that it is, in the main, the case. I also note that the defenders of the man who now has to rank as the worst husband in America since Bill Clinton never tire of pointing out that "he turned down a million dollars " to transfer Terri's guardianship to the family. Again, I have no way of knowing how true that is, but if he did it was a shrewd move and, as we observe Michael Schiavo in his television appearances, we can see he is a shrewd man.
What I do have some sense of is how much money Michael Schiavo stands to make if, and only if, his wife dies. It is, for a man, with a fresh new wife and two children, substantial. Having worked as an editor for Houghton Mifflin and as a literary agent, I have some sense of the price the publishing and media worlds would put on his story. It will be significantly more than 30 pieces of silver.
The book deal: "HER BODY, MY SELF" by Michael Schiavo can be auctioned to a large group of major publishers within ten days of Terri Schiavo's death. This can be arranged by an canny and shameless agent -- and they are legion -- on the basis of 12 telephone calls, a two-page outline, a ghost writer known to the New York publishing world, and a dog-and-pony show where Michael is flown to New York and trotted around to six to eight editors' offices in a day. The bidding for this book will have a floor of two million dollars. The top offer will be in the range of three to three and a half-million for hardcover and paperback rights. Depending on the agent's feel for the market, translation rights may be added to the mix. Film rights will be held back. After the agent's 15% fee, Michael's take from this will be $2,550,000, less $50,000 paid to the ghost writer.
The film and tv rights for Michael's "story" will probably bring in another 1-3 million dollars depending on a number of factors and will, in this instance, be set in motion before the publication of the book.
Speaking fees: Michael Schiavo's lawyer currently commands $15,000 per speaking engagement, so it is not hard to see that Michael could easily pull down $50,000 per engagement. While you probably won't see him show up at Catholic conventions, he's a natural Keynoter for hundreds of other groups across the country and abroad. In the first year alone he could, given a reasonable calendar, be booked for at least 50 events. His gross fees in the first year would, in that case, come to $2,500,000.
Terri Schiavo is worth six to eight million dollars to Michael Schiavo if, and only if, she's dead. If she continues living nothing happens on the book or movie front because there's no ending. When she dies, it is jackpot time for Michael.
I guess he'll be able to buy that nice house his common-law wife has probably been bugging him about for years. It doesn't take a telepath to imagine the pillow talk at Michael Schiavo's house: "We've got two kids and she's still hanging on! You and that lawyer better get cracking. We've got college to think of and need at least five bedrooms! It's a great time to buy. What's the matter with you? Get me my down payment or I'm out of here. And I'm taking the kids... You said you'd get rid of her years ago and we're still in this dump I never liked..."
If you think the current wife's mind-set doesn't play a roll in the killing of Terri Schiavo, think again. Women with children might like having a husband, but they love real estate and tuition funds more. After all, half of a house is forever.
Posted by Vanderleun at March 28, 2005 7:25 AM
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Awesome! I can't wait till she's gone to read the book about it. Who do you think will play Terri in the movie? I hope it's good, I don't like when liberal hollywood screws up docu-dramas (e.g. Saving Private Ryan). Those commie liberals should take note at the fruits that capitalism brings to even those who have to suffer, god bless the US!
Absolute, brilliantly, sickening true. I'd be surprised if Michael Schiavo hasn't already signed with one of the major agencies and if there aren't at least six scriptwriters already working on a made-for-Lifetime movie.
The Schindler's, upon learning that Michael was awarded $300,000 for loss of his wife's services, sued to try to get half of it back when this first happened.
While this tug-of-war is a heart-wrenching, life and death matter, it underscores the need for everyone to get their personal affairs and wishes in order while they are healthy and of sound mind.
My living trust calls for no extraordinary efforts to keep me alive were I to be in a position where I cannot make the decision for myself. That is the unselfish way to be. Too bad Terri didn't her make wishes formally known before her heart attack. Which, by the way, was most likely caused by her bulimia. She went from 230 pounds to 120 pounds in a relatively short amout of time while whe was wooing Michael. You don't hear about any of this stuff in the mainstream media...
Ultimately, the whole thing seems to be self-inflicted due to her obesity. I'm surpised some attorney hasn't talked the parents into suing McDonalds!
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To Liberal Avenger: Take your leftist Jew hatred elsewhere. You make real liberals sick.
I don't see any reason why Michael Shiavo couldn't sell his story even if she lives. It's still an ending. Besides, no-one has ever hesitated to make a made-for-tv movie before the ending is known. If he gave up the fight to let her die right now it would be an EVEN MORE sensational story. Perhaps he could come out and say he became an evangelical Christian and now wants to fight for her life. Now that would be a twist to beat all endings.
I sympathize with the family who wants to hold out hope. I understand that some people interpret the Bible to say that no-one no matter how horrible their condition should be allowed to die. I understand that some people think euthansia is unethical on non-religious grounds.
Instead of trying to invent motives that in all liklihood aren't there, maybe we can just consider for a moment that maybe Shiavo simply wants to do what he thinks is best for his wife. If you think he is wrong to do so, fine, but don't make him out to be some kind of evil monster simply because his soul searching led him to make a heartbreaking decision you are not comfortable with.
We can't know his soul, we can only know his words and his actions.
Gov. Bush and President Bush have both done all they can do under law. We cannot ask them to break the laws.
There is only one realistic resolution to this killing of Terri Schiavo:
1. Michael Schiavo should immediately drop his law suit so Terri is allowed to live.
2. Michael Schiavo should divorce Terri. He is the proverbial "FOX IN CHARGE OF CHICKEN COOP". He has new life and children with another woman, whoom he wants to marry, but Terri is in the way. So, Michael wants Terri dead.
Should he decline all offers and all money, I will be proved wrong and will say so.
But this will not happen. you'll see a michael schiavo bestseller by about this time next year.
Brandon, his credibility is the whole issue. I have not seen anyone, including the religious, say that she should be kept alive against her wishes. Her family has said the opposite, that they would honor a 'living will' declaration if she had made one.
Michael's word is suspect because it has changed from pre-lawsuit to post-lawsuit. I am amazed at the numbers of people who think he should be given the benefit of the doubt when he has obviously not earned it.
This is not a right to die issue, although many of the push polls that are quoted by Michael's supporters use that as a crutch, citing her as "terminally ill" and "on life support for 15 years", both of which are not true. This is about an ex-husband with an obvious conflict of interest and changing testimony having the final, unquestioned right to have his wife's life ended.
this has got to be one of the stupider things i've seen written about the schiavo matter. (and thats saying a lot) a book deal doesn't require terri schiavo to die. you're wrong to say "there's no end" if she had remained attached to a feeding tube. the controversy would be resolved one way or the other. whether terri was alive or dead, the controversy would end. micahel schiavo has nothing to gain with all of this, and plenty to lose.
he could have divorced terri, but instead he is doing what he believes she would have wanted. and in return, he is facing death threats and baseless allegations impuning his character.
the whole this is tragic, but this is just nasty. and not very well thought out either
Disposing of his property, with all of the legal niceities, also gets him whatever life insurance is in place on her. No company is going to have the position to decline his claims. I have not read where he was forced to ever disclose any life insurance on her in place, say a few weeks before her potassium problem. I somehow think the book is not going to do more than make him a sack of cash. He is so unsymapthtic and so shallow, I wonder if any ghost writer will be able to adequately mask that and leave any sense of credibility in his story. If he has actually committed the abuse he has been credibly accused of, I wonder if he will even want to tell any story at all for publication, and risk having the inconsistencies of his story be there for us all to read?
Vanderleun, have you read the Wolfson report, the December 2003 report by the guardian ad litem to Governor Bush? Or is your information on Michael Schiavo limited to watching his TV appearances?
Fair enough re: deleting my comment.
There were two "guardian ad litem". The first, before this case was so widely publicized, was very damning of Michael Schiavo's actions, attitude and treatment of Terri and the nurses who were trying to get him to agree to therapy. Michael complained bitterly and a second "guardian ad litem" was assigned, who then came up with the version that you want people to notice. Funny the first report wasn't mentioned by you, hmmm.
Several levels of inanity here...
First: Who on earth would actually read a Michael Schiavo tell-all? Do you envision a New York Times conspiracy pushing the book when it comes out and liberals everywhere flocking like Zombies to Borders and Amazon buying it up? I couldn't imagine a more depressing or boring read than "HER BODY, MY SELF."
Second: The identical charges could just as easily be made against Terri's parents, the Schindlers, her brothers, as well as any of the other opportunists who have hitched themselves to their rising stars. Fortunately, nobody has been so crass as to have made that suggestion. Does the idea that the Schindlers might wish to profit from a book deal offend and disgust you? It sure does offend and disgust me! It is an affront to sensability as aggregious as the identical charges you've levied against Michael Schiavo.
That said, a book by Michael Shiavo will do very well. Count on it.
That said, we will see within a year to 18 months who is right about this.
Oh my gosh, I didn't even know there was a previous guardian ad litem! Can you provide a link, I would like to see that one just so I will have the whole story. (I have the second one.)
before Feb 1993 - Michael will stay with Terri forever
Feb 1993 - Michael gets money from lawsuit
Feb 14 1993 - Michael argues with Terri's parents about money from the settlement, and Michael yells that the parents will never see Terri again.
Sometime soon after - Michael recalls that Terri would want to die rather than live on life support.
Probably just a coincidence.
George Felos' version of the story would sell more books.
It is a sad, tragic and frightening day for America that an innocent, defenseless woman is permitted to starve and dehydrate to death, based on the shaky testimony of her so-called husband. Michael Schiavo is a de-facto bigamist, among other unprintable things. Also, to respond to one of the other comments, it is not clear why Terri is in the state she's in. Many medical experts deny she had a heart attack brought on by an eating disorder, as no enzymes were found in her bloodstream. It is quite possible that Michael, known to be an abusive husband (as per the testimony of Terri's friends and family) had a role in hurting her, via attempting strangling. There are so many allegations that Judge Greer has been so eager to brush aside in the name of killing her.
Also, why was an otherwise healthy woman condemned to live in a hospice, a place for terminally ill patients. Terri was not terminally ill. I believe Schiavo and his Attorney (who was a board member of this hospice) put her there in order to fool the public into believing she was terminal.
The only reason she's dying now is because she's being starved and dehydrated to death.
It is appalling that a murder is being committed in broad daylight in America, and that our runaway judiciary has deemed it not only legal, but merciful. God help us all!
To Mr. Van der Leun: Do you really fancy that your insult to Michael Schiavo will be the one insult too many that causes him to do a 180 degree turn or to bow out of the picture, after all these many years of social and legal pressure on him to conform with your views? What evidence do you have that he advocates withdrawing Terri's feeding tube for a book deal and speaker's fees? Speak the truth, Mr. Van der Leun, not your malice. This sad very public case has been thoroughly litigated and intensely scrutinized by the national and Florida executives and legislatures. Michael Schiavo's life has been gone over with a fine toothed comb. If there was any credible misdeed on Mr. Schiavo's part: beatings, neglect, or fraud, his guardianship would long ago been terminated.
It is quite clear that nothing will stop Michael Sciavo's quest to have his wife die. Why would you even trouble your mind with the thought that an insult would do what appeals to the heart, the soul and the mind have failed to do.
Regardless of Schiavo's motives, his actions deserve condemnation by all people of good will and clear vision. And he will have it -- for the rest of his life.
Past evidence is not at issue here, behavior is. People will judge his as they wish. I'm sure many will hold him up as a hero. I hold him up as a cad and worse.
As to the book and movie deals, it is beyond argument that the offers will be made and I believe, based on long experience, that my estimates are within the range.
History of course will tell. If you see his book and the film and the speaking engagements withing 12 to 18 months after Terri's death, I will be correct.
If not, and if he refuses the offers, and retires to a private life following this media storm, I will be the first to apologize and laud him.
But I'm not writing that out just yet.
Hmmm, it makes me wonder if Mr. Schiavo's real fear is that if Terri could indeed recover sufficiently, she would 1.)tell us all what really happened to her, or 2.)actually divorce Mr. Schiavo for shacking up with another women and fathering two children during her incapcitation...
Here is where you can find the report by Richard Pearse, first GAL.
Hmmm...no gentleman would break his wife's parents hearts like this. Is that what Terri would want? Why won't he transfer custody to his in-laws? Why should he, as he says.
No, I still believe that Michael knows there is a nonzero probability (I agree that it's a tiny chance) that his wife will recover and corroborate the allegations of spousal abuse. That's why he would turn down the million dollars. He has to have her killed off as soon as possible AND cremated so there is no evidence.
And who in Hollywood would make a flick that reflects the majority of opinions stated here?
This may all well come true, but the idea that Michael has somehow planned it to do so is pretty specious. It is not Michael who has made the case notorious, but the Schindlers. Had they acquiesced years ago to the initial court rulings, no publisher would either have ever heard of Michael Schiavo or cared about his situation if they had.
I think the commenter above has a good point - it makes more sense to assume crass motives not to Michael, but the people keeping the case going to the bitterest extremity, milking every moment of news coverage and publicity for all its worth. That would be the Schindlers.
However, I don't really think that either side expected or wanted it to get to this point, and so ascribing commercial motives to either Machael or the Schindlers is really unwarranted.
"The first [GAL report] was very damning of Michael Schiavo's actions, attitude and treatment of Terri and the nurses who were trying to get him to agree to therapy. "
That's completely untrue. He said that Schiavo's care was excellent and, while he recommended against the removal on Schiavo's word alone, he said it was a very close call.
"It is quite possible that Michael, known to be an abusive husband (as per the testimony of Terri's friends and family) had a role in hurting her, via attempting strangling. "
First, he wasn't "known" to be an abusive husband (those claims weren't made for at least 8 years) and second, two doctors settled a malpractice suit. Don't you think that those doctors would have pointed out all this "obvious" evidence of abuse and strangulation to offset or eliminate their damages?
Both of you add yourselves to the list of millions of people who don't know what they're talking about. Cites and other facts that probably won't sink in here: Terri Schiav FAQ for the Uncommitted
Donald Sensing is exactly right about the risible speculation on Schiavo's motives. His story wouldn't be worth a cent had the Schindlers not made him famous. So Schiavo apparently wanted her dead RIGHT AWAY but also needed 8 years of draining court battles and three years of intense media scrutiny in order to clean up. Might want to think that through just a little bit longer next time, doncha think?
"I will be the first to apologize and laud him."
Yeah, that's going to happen. I notice how much decency you show his girlfriend, who has stayed out of the spotlight:
"It doesn't take a telepath to imagine the pillow talk at Michael Schiavo's house: "We've got two kids and she's still hanging on! You and that lawyer better get cracking. We've got college to think of and need at least five bedrooms! It's a great time to buy. What's the matter with you? Get me my down payment or I'm out of here. And I'm taking the kids... You said you'd get rid of her years ago and we're still in this dump I never liked..."
Sure. You'll apologize for all the disgusting slurs you've made.
Yup, I will. You evidently think that the girlfriend has no role to play or influence in this. You'd be wrong as any man with a wife and/or a long term girlfriend that has given him children will be glad to tell you.
A point I made last week at Quick's place.
There's no bucks if she lives. I suspect an oily
agent is runnin' this show. The movie 'Ace in the
Hole' is recalled here.
How can anyone question the Schindler's motives??? Poor Mary Schindler looks like she's ready to collapse herself from exhaustion and heartbreak. Michael could end this all now by doing the heroic thing...giving Terri back to the Schindler's, who have released him from all financial obligation. This man is a de-facto bigamist with a conflict of interest. How can any judge possibly sentence a woman to death based on off-hand remarks Terri might have made while watching a movie? Isn't it suspect that he only "recalled" her comments AFTER he was awarded a hefty malpractice settlement? And why the insistence on having her cremated? If he didn't have something to hide, he would not be so adamant about it.
It is repulsive to me that anyone would question the motives of a distraught family willing to take on the burden of caring for a severely handicapped, but much-loved daughter and sister. I know my parents would be fighting just as hard if it were me or my sister. To them, Terri is priceless. You can't transfer property to another person based on hearsay, but apparently it is sufficient to end someone's life.
And having an older brother with Downs Syndrome, this case is even more troubling for me. Ralph is the most beautiful human being I know, even if he doesn't fit the world's definition of beauty. Is the day coming when people like my brother will be starved and dehydrated to death because they don't live up to some superficial standard of perfection?? God help us all.
The first thing we have to do is kill all the lawyers.................William Shakespear
Oh, we're way overdue on that one.
I hope that Michael Schiavo doesn't neglect to mention in his book how he:
1. Melted down Terri's wedding rings and took the diamonds to make a ring for himself.
2. Euthanized her two cats.
3. Claimed that she wanted to die SEVEN years AFTER her collapse.
4. Probably contributed to the broken bones as reflected in her bone scans.
5. Shacked up with another woman and had two children with her, while he supposedly loved Terri so much.
With a love like that, no one would survive.
Now, not only does the state sanction the killing of the unborn. Now, it condones the killing of the disabled.
A Living Will will mean nothing when they come for you.
Why is no one mentioning the fact that Michael's lawyer, Mr. Felos, was on the board of the hospice center when Terri was moved there illegally and that the hospice center now owes the federal government $14.8 million dollars for Medicade/Medicare Fraud.
Because they were admitting people into the hospice, supposedly because they were terminally ill (6 months or less to live), when in fact they weren't. They were doing this in order to have Medicare/Medicaid pay for the services.
Terri never belonged in a hospice center, and she was not dying until sentenced to death by judicial tyrrany!
After weeks of this, all I can think of is a 21st century's THE LOTTERY by Shirley Jackson writ large. Here our country stands, each of us ladened with rocks, with no clearly defined target at which to hurl our hatreds. Just for symbolic gesture, I think I'd cast my first rock at Sean Hannity. Damn the media for turning this tragedy into a circus.
Amy, Amy, Amy.
Media circus yes, but Sean Hannity? Would you prefer that these slimy dealings continue unabated in the darkness under the rock where they've been? I suspect Michael Shiavo and King George I (Greer) would. Unfortunately it seems to take a circus to get most of us to look up from our own little self interests.
This is no tragedy. The word tragedy connotes an unfortunate event which is somehow unpreventable and sealed by the fates. This is a travesty.
I think that first rock should be reserved for a mirror... by all of us.
Dee: Thank you for the link to the first guardian ad litem report (it mentions yet a previous GAD, so it may in fact be the second of three).
Mikem: I read the Pearse report, and I find it consistent with the Wolfson report. In what sense do you feel it reflects badly on Michael? Also, on what basis are you characterizing the Wolfson report as being done as a replacement to the Pearse report in response to complaints by Michael? This is not supported by the record of the circumstances of the two reports. (Wolfson was appointed pursuent to requirements of Governor Bush's "Terri's Law," not at the request of Michael, and Michael did not object to the first report, other than responding to the qualms I discuss below.)
Michael's devotion to Terri was described and praised in both GAD reports, and his change of mind when he decided that there was no hope is also described in both reports.
The only qualms Pearse mentioned concerned the fact that the determination that Terri expressed the wish not to be kept alive in this sort of situation was based solely on Michael's statements (who might have a financial conflict of interest). Remember, Pearse wrote in 1998. Subsequent to that, and as described by Wolfson in 2003, the entire issue was dealt with in lengthy, careful court proceedings, and several more witnesses came forth with testimony similar to Michaels, including one of Terri's best friends, an uncle, and other in-laws on Michael's side. Some of these statements were based on interactions with Terri while in attendance at a funeral for a person who had been on life support. The court judged the testimony to be credible.
The process used to resolved the issue was very thorough and well documented. Under the circumstances, I think it was the best that could have been done.
Here are the two GAD reports:
I'll stick with my stones. I think both families have tried for years to work this out in the courts - not under rocks and in the darkness. Once something, a travesty, a tragedy takes on the circus atmosphere this has, my self-interest gets really pissed. How dare Sean Hannity sit there and pontificate night after night and tell me how to feel. And you want to tell me to throw my first stone at myself? For what? I feel like throwing the rock through my TV whenever I see that horrid, constant close-up image of Terri Schaivo fill my view. The balloon?? She's the clown in this show at this point, and it just disgusts me. How dare we all invade her dignity with our futile fury. Thanks to the MSM we have no choice. I can grieve very quietly for her and not attend the show, and I for sure do not need anyone telling me how to feel sorrow.
I have heard elsewhere that the Pearse report was never actually delivered - Mr. Schiavo (and/or his lawyers) had him dismissed just before it was to be sent. So no, he didn't object to it - he seems to have suppressed it, perhaps learning it did not support his request for removal of the feeding/hydrating tube[s].
Speculation, to be sure. Quite possibly wrong. No real probative evidence that I know of. But a very suggestive timeline: Mr. Schiavo fought to keep his wife alive for years while the malpractice suit was under way, but less than a month after the out-of-court-settlement money hit the bank he reversed course.
But this is not enough to condemn him. Especially since I feel (again, on no actual evidence) that she probably would not want to continue in her current state.
My difficulty/concern is broader than this one case. If you had a horse or dog in similar condition and tried to starve and dehydrate it to death, you would at the least be fined and possibly serve time: medical (or shooting, breaking neck, whatever) intervention insuring rapid and relatively painless death is not merely recommended, it is mandated. Yet in the case of a human, such intervention is liable to lead to charges of manslaughter (or even murder) so the slower and painful (remember here, Pearse said she responded to pain) death is ordered by the law.
I don't want to get into a pissing match here. So rather than post what I originally wrote I'll just say Godspeed to you and leave it at that.
As for me, I want to see that the system that allows a *county probate judge* to order the death of an innocent girl get full sun. It is not only Terri's life which is at stake here. It is the additional brick of case law which would be forever set. This edifice to moloch with its demand for tribute of human blood must be exposed and brought down.
"I have heard elsewhere that the Pearse report was never actually delivered"
You've heard elsewhere. You've HEARD elsewhere. Here you are, casually admitting that you can't be bothered to read the actual court opinion and instead substituting what you "heard" and worse, expect it to be given some sort of credence.
What specific double digit IQ does it take to brag in public about your baldfaced ignorance of the facts while still maintaining the ability to type?
Pay attention. Move your lips while you read this; I'm told it assists in comprehension: The judge used Pearse's report and accepted his recommendations.
Judge's decision with mention of GAL
Also, since you probably think the official record has been tampered with, Richard Pearse himself says the judge got his report.
Interestingly, he's changed his mind about the case and now thinks Terri Schiavo should have the feeding tube removed. Wait. Maybe that's why he's lying now--he's gone over to Satan.
When they started to kill the unborn children,
I didn’t say anything because I was already born.
When started to kill Terri Schiavo, a hospice patient,
I didn’t say anything because I wasn’t a hospice patient…
Didn't your mothers tell you that it was naughty to spread about people? He melted down her wedding rings and took the diamonds? He euthanized her cats? Spreading hurtful lies like that is the antithesis of what Jesus asked you to do. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Dear Liberal Avenger,
It's not a hurtful lie. It's a fact. All you have to do is read the court transcript where Michael Schiavo states that he did just that.
Michael Schiavo has not been a model husband.
He lives adulterously with Jodi Centozone, with whom he has had two children. In a monumental conflict of interest that should disqualify him from deciding Terri's fate, her death would facilitate his marriage to Jodi while Terri's existence only complicates their lives.
After winning control of Terri's treatment, plus medical malpractice and other legal awards totaling some $1.6 million, Michael had Terri's cats, Shanna and Tolly, put to sleep.
He told attorneys in November 1992 that he took Terri's engagement and wedding rings and "made a ring for myself."
Terri's family complains that Michael has denied Terri speech-, occupational- and other therapies that could strengthen her mind.
According to the September 2003 deposition of Terri's nurse, Carla Iyer, Michael asked, "Can't you do anything to accelerate her death?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" When Terri's health waned, Iyer said he would exclaim, "I'm going to be rich!" then discuss plans to buy a car, boat, and European vacation.
Terri's family cites a September 5, 1991 bone scan by Dr. W. Campbell Walker, M.D. It lists "compression fracture[s]" throughout Terri's body and concludes: "The patient has a history of trauma." They wonder if Terri suffered domestic violence.
Absent incontrovertible, documented proof that Terri Schindler-Schiavo wants to die, she deserves the presumption of life. Terri refutes claims she is comatose by interacting with her surroundings. Her cat-killing, ring-melting husband has more pressing priorities than Terri's longevity.
If Florida judges grant her husband's wishes — as they did before an urgently adopted, now-overturned, law reversed them — Governor Jeb Bush's attorney, Ken Connor, warns: "Michael Schiavo effectively gets to kill his wife through starvation and dehydration."
Before that happens, Florida officials or a federal court should disqualify Michael Schiavo and let Mary and Robert Schindler nurse their daughter back to life with dignity.
I'm telling you guys, hurtful lies like these are what will land you in hell for an eternity.
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?
There is no pissing match between us. We just have different sensitivities to the same outrage. Your fears for 'This edifice to moloch..' is, to me, hyperbole. Optimism is the true moral courage, and I have to believe that for all the suffering some good will arise. Perhaps it will be simply that this never happens again. That's pretty simple, but it meets your concerns for the part of law in this. As for 'full sun' - I am blinded by it.
LibAv, you're a laff riot...you should take your show on the road.
Used to be that, in the absence of a living will, everything within human power was done to keep a person alive.
How did we get from there to here?
Of more interest, where are we going from here?
Hyperbole - maybe. What I actually think - no doubt, but that's just me.
What is happening here is a judiciary-sanctioned killing of an innocent woman. There is no other way to put it, it is that clear, unfortunately.
Courts and her "husband" have not granted Terri the same rights as a serial killer would have. She cannot be examined by a doctor, she even cannot not be given the last Easter communion, requested by her parents. Further, an autopsy is not allowed, her body will be immediately cremated and ashes flow out of Florida. This is what "judge" Greer (a former county commissioner) had ordered.
This is a bloody murder!
Is that what you folks do? You discredit someone by claiming they only care about the book deal? You did that with Richard Clark, and now with someone you know nothing about. This husband has been trying to help his wife for fifteen years! He is not a monster, you idiots! Let me ask you, would you want to just "exist" in a vegatative state for the next 40 years?
I don't know about myself, but the Democrats seem good to go.
There are a lot of things I'd prefer to dying of thirst at the behest of my estranged husband, with a police officer stationed by my bed to make sure no one could offer me a sip of water.
Living with massive brain damage might manage to actually look good to me, by comparison with such a fate.
(NB: Referring to your interlocutors as "you idiots" would not be the best way to get them to listen to your point, even if you had one.)
Personally, I think Michael is disgusting. As a parent, I would fight to the death to prevent my child from dying a slow, horrible fate like STARVING to death. I can't say exactly what I WOULD do in such a situation (I do believe in right-to-die,) but to starve an otherwise healthy body is wrong. They're not just pulling a plug on a body that can't survive on its own, here.
Thing is, we can't even starve CRIMINALS to death. That's considered cruel and unusual. But we can do it to an innocent woman who has done nothing? What's wrong with this picture?
Michael should have done the right thing and transferred guardianship to her parents. The fact that he hasn't, looks extremely suspicious when it comes to money.
There seems to be opinion that Michael Schiavo has been taking a good care of Terri. To set the record strait, you need to read the notarized statement of Terri's nurse. Click here:
Here is an excerpt from the nurse's statement:
"Throughout my time at Palm Gardens, Michael Schiavo was focused
on Terri's death. Michael would say "When is she going to die?,"
"Has she died yet?" and "When is that bitch gonna die?" These
statements were common knowledge at Palm Gardens, as he would
make them casually in passing, without regard even for who he was
talking to, as long as it was a staff member. Other statements which I
recall him making include "Can't anything be done to accelerate her
death - won't she ever die?" When she wouldn't die, Michael would
be furious. Michael was also adamant that the family should not be
given information. He made numerous statements such as "Make sure
the parents aren't contacted." I recorded Michael's statements word
for word in Terri's chart, but these entries were also deleted after the
end of my shift. Standing orders were that the family wasn't to be
contacted, in fact, there was a large sign in the front of her chart that
said under no circumstances was her family to be called, call Michael
immediately, but I would call them, anyway, because I thought they
should know about their daughter."
There is your answer. This man, Michael Schiavo, is a monster and killer, nothing more or less.
When determining motive, the first rule is ALWAYS follow the money.
I can't say that I'd want to live in Terri's condition. On the other hand, I sure wouldn't want Michael Schiavo making ANY decisions concerning my wishes.
If David Letterman does a piece on the Top 10 Reasons to Remain Single, perhaps it would sound like this:
"and the Number 1 reason to remain single is [drumroll]
Chronology of events:
ROUGH TIMELINE AND DECISIONS
I encourage anyone interested in this case to read the judicial decisions that have been entered. Most informative, from a factual point of view, are Judge Greer's orders and the Second District's decisions. The December 2003 guardian ad litem report to Governor Bush provides perhaps the most detailed factual chronology available.
December 1963… Terri's birth date
November 1984… Terri & Michael marry
February 1990… Terri suffers cardiac arrest and a severe loss of oxygen to her brain
May 1990… Terri leaves hospital and is brought to a rehabiliation center for aggressive therapy
July 1990… Terri is brought to the home where her husband and parents live; after a few weeks, she is brought back to the rehabilitation center
November 1990… Terri is taken to California for experimental therapies
January 1991… Terri is returned to Florida and placed at a rehabilitation center in Brandon
July 1991… Terri is transfered to a skilled nursing facility where she receives aggressive physical therapy and speech therapy
May 1992… Michael and the Schindlers stop living together
January 1993… Michael recovers $1 million settlement for medical malpractice claim involving Terri's care; jury had ruled in Michael's favor on allegations Terri's doctors failed to diagnose her bulimia, which led to her heart failure; case settled while on appeal
March 1994… Terri is transferred to a Largo nursing home
May 1998… Michael files petition for court to determine whether Terri's feeding tube should be removed; Michael takes position that Terri would choose to remove the tube; Terri's parents take position that Terri would choose not to remove the tube
February 2000… Following trial, Judge Greer rules that clear and convincing evidence shows Terri would choose not to receive life-prolonging medical care under her current circumstances (i.e., that she would choose to have the tube removed) [READ]
March 2000… Judge Greer denies petition for more swallowing tests, finds it uncontested Terri cannot swallow sufficiently to live [READ]
April 2000… Terri is transferred to a Hospice facility
January 2001… Second District Court of Appeal affirms the trial court's decision regarding Terri's wishes [READ]
April 23, 2001… Florida Supreme Court denies review of the Second District's decision [READ]
April 23 or 24, 2001… Trial court orders feeding tube removed
April 24, 2001… Terri's feeding tube is removed for the first time
more at: http://abstractappeal.com/schiavo/infopage.html
I thought another segment from the nurse's notarized affidavit would be in order. This nurse used to care for Terri.
Her full testimony is here:
Here goes the nurse:
"10. Any time Terri would be sick, like with a UTI or fluid buildup in her
lungs, colds, or pneumonia, Michael would be visibly excited, thrilled
even, hoping that she would die. He would say something like, "Hallelujah! You've made my day!"
He would call me, as I was the
nurse supervisor on the floor, and ask for every little detail about her
temperature, blood pressure, etc., and would call back frequently
asking if she was dead yet. He would blurt out "I'm going to be rich!"
and would talk about all the things he would buy when Terri died,
which included a new car, a new boat, and going to Europe, among
11. When Michael visited Terri, he always came alone and always had the
door closed and locked while he was with Terri. He would typically
be there about twenty minutes or so. When he left Terri would be
trembling, crying hysterically, and would be very pale and have cold
sweats. It looked to me like Terri was having a hypoglycemic reaction,
so I'd check her blood sugar. The glucometer reading would be so low
it was below the range where it would register an actual number
reading. I would put dextrose in Terri's mouth to counteract it. This
happened about five times on my shift, as I recall. Normally Terri's
blood sugar levels were very stable due to the uniformity of her diet
through tube feeding. It is medically possible that Michael injected
Terri with Regular insulin, which is very fast acting, but I don't have any way of knowing for sure."
It is clear that Judge Greer has chosen to ignore the nurse's affidavit. Personally, if I had to decide between conflicting testimony of a doctor, lawyer and nurse, I would believe the nurse. Reason? Doctor and lawyer protect their behind, nurse tells truth.
Judge Greer wants Terry dead.
Also, Democrats, MainStream Media (MSM) and the rest of the commies want Terry dead.
What else can you say?
Oh for heaven's sake.
Michael Schiavo wants his wife to die because that's the best way he can sell a book and movie rights?
So it was MICHAEL who turned this private tragedy into a revolting media/political circus? (Because, remember, without that circus there would be no potential for book/movie rights.)
And besides, Michael Schiavo suddenly changing his mind and deciding to "show compassion" and let his wife live would make a "satisfying" ending, too.
When I first started reading about this case I was inclined to assume, like many other people, that Michael really was a shady character. The more I read and the more I see of the disgusting slanders against him (like those ludicrous "spousal abuse" stories which somehow didn't surface until he started seeking to have Terri's feeding tube disconnected....), the more I become convinced that this man deserves sympathy.
Funny how the "pro-lifers" simultaneously charge that Michael just wants to get rid of Terri because she's a burden to him, and shout, "Why doesn't he just divorce her?" Well, if he did see her as nothing more than a burden, it WOULD have been the easiest thing in the world to get a divorce, let Terri's parents for her, and move on with his life. Maybe he won't divorce her because DOES feel responsible for carrying out her wishes, and doesn't want to leave her in the hands of the delusional parents who would have her linger on in her living death. I certainly wouldn't want to watch someone I cared about in that condition.
Oh, and about the nurse's affidavit. What a crock. First of all, the woman also claims, contrary to all medical evidence, that Terri was able to talk. (Not even the doctors hired by the Schindlers claimed that!) Second, she also claims that the other staff at the rehab facility whited out her notes showing that Terri was responsive. (Oh yeah. Or maybe aliens came out of a UFO and zapped those notes out of existence.) Third, if Michael was as abusive as she claims, why on earth didn't she contact the authorities about it before? Why did it take her until 2003 to come forward?
I respect different opinions on end-of-life questions. Sanctity of life vs. quality of life is a tough issue. What disgusts me is the level of misinformation emanating from the "keep Terri alive" side. (Most recently the article in National Review which claims, wrongly, that Terri Schiavo never had an MRI; she did, in 1990.) Ever heard of "Thou shalt not bear false witness?"
Reply to the uninformed post above:
"Oh, and about the nurse's affidavit. What a crock. First of all, the woman also claims, contrary to all medical evidence, that Terri was able to talk. (Not even the doctors hired by the Schindlers claimed that!)"
THE FACT: THE SCHINDLER DOCTORS AND LAWYERS CLAIM TERRI IS TRYING TO TALK, THE BEST WAY SHE CAN. SHE NEEDS SPEECH THERAPY!
"Third, if Michael was as abusive as she claims, why on earth didn't she contact the authorities about it before? Why did it take her until 2003 to come forward?"
THE FACT: THE NURSE AND ANOTHER NURSE DID CONTACT AUTORITIES WHEN THE ABUSE HAD OCCURED. THE SHERIFF COATES WILL NOT RELEASE THAT INFO - HE IS A BOSOM-BUDDY OF GREER (THE JUDGE).
Dear lady, with all due respect, you need to read some more.
"It is quite clear that nothing will stop Michael Sciavo's quest to have his wife die." -- Gerard
I refuse to give up on her. But I know Michael will probably succeed. How few hours are left. And still she fights for life while government, courts, the governor, and countless compassionless Americans turn a cold, blind eye. Rationalization, politics, pontification, euphemism rule while her mother is prevented from giving her water.
What a helpless, futile feeling. What has become of justice and decency in this country?
The apologists and intellectuals and, by God, even Rush, go on about the rule of law.
I am sick at heart.
Better late than never. I take everything I said back. You were right, it is truly a circus. I just read that Jesse Jackson is going to the hospice to "meet with the Schindlers".
"THE FACT: THE SCHINDLER DOCTORS AND LAWYERS CLAIM TERRI IS TRYING TO TALK, THE BEST WAY SHE CAN. SHE NEEDS SPEECH THERAPY!"
The Schindler doctors claim this? where? link please.
"THE FACT: THE NURSE AND ANOTHER NURSE DID CONTACT AUTORITIES WHEN THE ABUSE HAD OCCURED. THE SHERIFF COATES WILL NOT RELEASE THAT INFO - HE IS A BOSOM-BUDDY OF GREER (THE JUDGE)."
What's the source of this information?
For Pete's sake -- the Schindlers didn't even bring this up at the 2000 hearings, the claim didn't surface until 2003.
"Dear lady, with all due respect, you need to read some more."
Where? On sites that peddle insane fantasies?
Incidentally, Mr. Caganek, there WILL be an autopsy. It's required by Florida law before any cremation. So stop spreading your lies.
your arguments and reasoning are of a staunch Democrat, an active member of N.O.W.
Therefore, they do not deserve answer, this is not a commie board.
Gerard, are you for real? Michael Schiavo really can't sell a book, etc, if she lives? Also, could you please show us how you arrived at the numbers you got? I'm tempted to think you pulled them out of an ass-hat, but I'm willing to be persuaded otherwise. Oh yeah, Cathy Young sneezes bigger than you.
Now that I've thought about it for all of one second, it seems to me that it would be better for Michael Schiavo if Terri had been kept alive. I mean, his story is basically about how the politicians etc interfered in what should have been a private decision made by him and his wife. (Again, it's his story.) If she's allowed to die in the end, he's not a victim of an overreaching government. But if he loses the power to speak for her and her parents gain custody and keep her alive, he and his wife would be suffering an ongoing injustice (according to his story) and therefore his book, speeches, and so on would be more interesting and should earn him more money. The fact that there would be "no ending" should work to Michael Schiavo's financial advantage.... Isn't that scenario at least as plausible as the one you posited, Gerard?
Nope. For reasons explained here and elsewhere.
Oh, "nope." Darn, why hadn't I thought of that before? (Stupid staunch Democraticness and active member of NOWness.) Seriously, though. I don't see anything here or elsewhere that explains why Michael Schiavo wouldn't do just as well financially with Terri alive. And I also don't see an explanation of how you came up with those numbers. I read elsewhere that you totally made them up. Say it ain't so. Or "nope."
Ain't so. It is, generally, what the range of the advance for this sort of book built around a cause celebre in today's market would be worth.
But there will be a deal and the figure will leak, probably within three to six months, so we'll see then.
And if you did read "I just made them up"elsewhere, I'd be pleased to have the link since I do not see the courtesy of a trackback.
Gerard, I don't doubt the accuracy of the numbers as far as "what a cause celebre in today's market would be worth." I'm willing to take your word on that. What I doubt is that the numbers would be much different (if at all) if Terri were kept alive. And I don't see anything here that proves (or even suggests plausibly) that they would be. Also, I was teasing you about totally making them up. My feelings were hurt because you didn't link to "reasons explained here and elsewhere," so I made up a baseless charge and didn't link to it. I'd meant it to be a joke, but it was unclear. Sorry, man.
Here is what a liberal former presidential candidate calls killing of Terri:
"inhumane, barbaric, cruel, injustice, terrorist-like conduct", and more.
His name is Jesse Jackson. He also says that Terri should receive at least the same kind of courtesy as a serial killer gets during his execution.
For those of you who do not understand the meaning of it - during execution, the serial killer is first gently put to sleep so he does not feel any discomfort. When sound asleep, he is injected with a chemical that causes his death.
Now, how can anyone condone this cruel killing of helpless, innocent woman is beyond me. In case you stiil don't get it - imagine yourselve lying on that Hospice bed. Got it now?
Also, how can anyone condone the ordeal of Terri's family and friends are put through as they wait for the death to occur? If that monster, Michael Schiavo, were human, he would never go through with this kind of torturous killing, he would request courts to put Terri to death like a serial killer - humanely.
Here is an audio clip of interview with Jesse Jackson, click on » listen now » link (upper right corner) at:
I can't help it not to share with you the article by some "Cathy Young", that I have just stumbled on. Please read this:
What a crap, what a goubledygook, what a mumbo-jumbo. What is she trying to say? I doubt she knows. All that phony DemocRat-commie-pinko-NOW teaching.
This would be laughable if it did not concern ghoulish death of an innocent, helpless woman.
Dear I. Caganek: I come from a family of immigrants, and I know English as a second language when I read it. Where are you from? I ask not because your clumsiness with words is funny (it's not) but because it suggests that you can't read English well enough to see that Cathy Young isn't the Democrat-commie-pinko-NOW clown you think she is.... Unless you're just messing with all of us. In any case, welcome to America. Love, Leo
I come from former Czechoslovakia. True, English is my second language and my grammar is not the best. But, my head is screwed on righ, I mean the right way. I can tell crap when I see crap.
Your welcome is some 37 years late. But, thank you, anyway.
I don't mean to take all the bandwidth allocated to this blog. Once this scandal of justice corruption is over, I will be happy to fade away.
Remember where you were when JFK was killed? I do.
Soon, we will be asking - remember where you were when Terri Schindler were being murdered?
The court has just agreed to reconsider Terri's case, as requested by her loved ones (the Schindlers, not Michael). Suppose the court will order to restore Terri's feeding tube. Since the Terri is already very weak, she could die any hour now. What do we have then? Murder? Or, should we just say "oh well, sorry, too late, what can you do?" Who will be responsible for her death? Should anyone be held responsible? Michael? 'Hanging' Judge Greer?
This is a turning point. From now on, lefty MSM writers will be held responsible for what they write. Their happy days are over. Anybody can now publish their objections to the lefty poison. They no longer get away with everything.
Thanks God for bloggers, the pyjamas journalists!
Geeezzz, does anyone still post here, or am I the only one?
Here is a link to a ton of stunning affidavits from nurses who treated Terri and also doctors:
If the link doesn't work, go to Laura Ingraham's site and click on it there.
I am not a lawyer, but after reading the affidavits and other material known at this time, here is how I would call it:
* Michael Schiavo will be arrested and charged with attempted murder. Terri better lives, or the charge would be worse.
* Judge Greer will be arrested and charged with obstruction of justice.
* Management of the Hospice and the Pinellas County Sheriff will be charged with neglect of duties.
* Michael Schiavo's shyster lawyer will be arrested and charged with a whole bunch of things.
It is only a matter of time.
Do you think lefty writers will apologize for the crap they've printed? I don't think so.
Judge Not, Lest Ye Be Judged.
Mr. I Caganek: I just wanted to make it very clear that I was not making fun of your English. Mine isn't the best either. (If it was--were?--I wouldn't have to explain myself so often in the comments sections of other people's web sites.) I think you're very wrong and badly misinformed about this case, and the way you talk about supposedly-lefty-pinko-commie-NOW-whatever folks makes my eyes roll. But I like you anyway. Leo
I think the reason Michael Schiavo didn't take the millions offered to him to let Terri live, is he will make a lot more money on a book sale and TV interviews than he would if he had let Terri live, also if he had taken the millions to let Terri live and she had some speech therapy, (that he denied her) .Terri may have learned to communicate in some way and tell the truth how she got all the broken bones from falling in the hall from a heart attack, and if that happened he would not get to enjoy all those millions, he would be in jail ,.plus the public would hate him even more. he needed to do something to get the public not to hate him more and try to get them to believe that killing Terri was her wish .guess time will tell if this is not about money I do believe he will write a book. I hope the Schindler's can sue Michael for millions so he can never profit on writing books or TV interviews over killing her
Leo, I had no problem with your post. I just wanted to answer it, as the proper thing to do.
I have always problem with "was" vs. "were", "had been" vs. "has been", and on & on. However, I pull no punches because of that. I don't have to, having done quite well here.
I believe my opinion on Terri is the right one, it is a cruel, barbaric, inhumane killing. She feels pain and is aware of what is happening. Michael wants her dead, the evidence I see is clearly there. Why not give her to her parents? What would be the down side? There is only one possible downside - she could manage to tell what Michael did. I cannot change my opinion on that.
Another thing is the left wing: democrats, commies, pinkos, liberals, MSM, ACLU, N.O.W., academia, and more. They think like a block, alike. This block wants Terry dead, as simple as that, with a few exceptions. They do not value life, except their own. They are weak, surrenderists. I am uniquely qualified to make this judgment, knowing well both communism as well as democracy. Sorry, but I cannot give an inch here.
Cheers to you. Lets hope Terri does not suffer any more. It makes me sick in my stomach.
As a RN, I can tell you that it is rare for someone as young as Terri to die from low potassium alone. Why did she collapse when she was alone with her husband versus somewhere else and what could have triggered such a violent collapse? Hmmm. Strangulation. A physical fight when her potassium was already low. Sounds more like it. That sure would explain the trauma she had when she came to the ER that night and the history of several healed past fractures on bone scans. If he loved her so much, why didn't he administer CPR before the ambulance came? DEAD PEOPLE DON"T TALK. Why didn't he make her "SUPPOSED" wishes known immediately rather than several years later? Hmmm. DEAD PEOPLE CAN'T COLLECT MALPRACTICE MONIES FOR CARE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. Not to mention, it would not make much of a book or made-for-tv movie. I assert that Terri also did not wish for her husband to commit adultery or father two children with another woman. Apparently Michael Schiavo only carries through with Terri's wishes when they are beneficial to him. At least Terri is in the Lord's loving embrace now. This tragedy will follow Michael Schiavo and his family for the rest of their lives. What a legacy to give to his children! My daughter told me three weeks ago that the perfect murder does not exist. After watching Terri Schiavo die, she now knows better. Dying with dignity is everyone's right, but DO WE REALLY KNOW WHAT TERRI WANTED? It is frightening when one's fate is governed by hearsay. God help us all.
beckrn: Read the two trial transcripts. This was all dealt with. The initial trial for malpractice had insurance company investigators swarming all over this case: they found nothing, and they had millions of dollars at risk motivating them.
Agreed, this appears to be a perfect murder, at least for now. A pack of ghouls got hold of Terri, the "loving husband", the "death is beautiful" shyster Felos and the "hanging" judge Greer, whom mainstream media portrays as "religious, conservative". He got kicked out of his church, that is how religious he is. Can you immagine the anguish of the Schindlers seeing these ghouls killing their daughther and nobody on earth could have stopped the killing?
But, do you know what ties all these ghouls together? That damn Hospice! They all have had some interest there! Add ex-sheriff of Pinellas County to the pack. This is all buddy-buddy, small-town corruption of justice.
U.S. mainstream media have never reported these allegations. Only a paper in foreign country dares to publish it. Just read the link below, I've found it on Michelle Malkin's blog:
All these ghouls need to be brought to justice, this will be the next phase. The "loving hubby" needs to be stopped from profiting from Terri's murder, no books, no movies, no speaking engagements. That "loving hubby" has 4 brothers, what a family.
May Terri rest in pease and may God have mercy on all of us.
the day micheal schiavo got involved with another woman was the day he turned his back on his wife. he wanted her dead, he will burn in hell. he should not make any money what so ever from any books or films in fact if i was him i would go inti hiding because there are a few people out there who want him DEAD.
MICHAEL SCHIAVO 1-727 726 0237 CLEARWATER, FLORIDA
Did the trials also deal with all the money he will make for future books, tv movie deals, etc.? That's where the money lies, and he is aware of that. I am sure he also was smart enough to have purchased some form of life insurance on her. If he loves her as much as he proclaims to, let's see if he donates monies he makes in her name to her favorite charity. Bet not.
That telephone number shown above is not the monster's number, this is someone completely unrelated!
Do not call it, this is a legitimate, listed number.
I have this from Michelle Malkin blog.
Here is what MSNBC talk show host Chris Matthews said yesterday on Don Imus' radio show about Terri's parents, the Schindlers:
"The parents... the father seems to be having, I hate to say this, a good time. I don't know why, maybe it's the focus, maybe he's giddy with sadness of the tragedy that has been going on for so long."
A little background on Chris Matthews: Staunch pinko DemocRat, used to be staff assistant (a.k.a. staff ass) for late Rep. Tipp O'Neil, former Speaker of The U.S. House of Representatives, another pinko DemocRat. Chris also had worked on campains of many lefty DemocRat presidential campaings.
Chris is from Philadelphia, a pinko town and city of true brotherly love, where brothers love brothers and sisters love sisters, you know what that is. Lots of love there. I used to live near, a stonethrow from where Schindlers lived, at the same time.
Chris is now host of MSNBS show "Hardball". If you want to drop that creep a greeting (I did), here is his e-mail:
O.K. folks, let's do something about that Ghoul Greer. There is a petition oline to impeach that bastard:
Just type in there your name, e-mail, comment and zip code. I saw there zip codes from all areas of the USA. If you are in Canada, type in your zip code. The comment can be quite long, take a look at comments of previous petitioners.
Last time I checked, more than 37,000 people have signed.
Let's go to get rid of the bum!
Michael schiavo wanted his wife to die not for the money but for his FREEDOM. He is unstable,sees a phsyc, has anger issues and is on PROZAC and this is all before the "accident".
The accident was either a horrible fight gone wrong or just another case of an abusive husband.
Michael Schiavo had to cover his arse! WHO FALLS DOWN IN A HALLWAY AND BREAKS A RIB AND GETS a MARK ACCROSS THE NECK? He works for the police dept! Rice gave him the job Greer is good friends with Rice and Martha Lenderman Hospice Honcho and her brother John all know echother. This was a BAD COVER UP THAT HAPPENED TO GO TO THE MEDIA! It was never supposed to. but wait.....Not all of its in the fan yet!
This case needs to be reopened and michael needs to be investigated because he never was 15 yrs ago!!!!
what police dept. Michael works for, do you know?
I thought he works for a hospital or that hospice, since he has two active nursing licences.
PLS DO NOT BUY MICHEAL'S BOOK OR WATCH HIS MOVIE
Still one has to wonder why a helpless human being was so atrociously and heinously starved to death according to the middle-age "Carolinian Criminal-Court Rules" . My theory is that the president as well as his brother only made token attempts for publicity reasons. To my mind, what is really behind it all, is that Terri Schindler was a testing case for the ORGAN INDUSTRY. In future this rotten judiciary will say it suffices to have the "expert" opinions of three court-hired and court-dependent physicians to declare a person brain-dead to be allowed either to kill this persons for "mercy" or "euthanasia" reasons or, provided, the persons's organs are in perfect condition, to have the organs ripped out of a living being and sold to the insatiable organ industry (organs are expensive-you can get more than a million for all organs plus corneas, bones, marrow etc).
Just one example to show how far this sort of procedure has already progressed in Europe: Some years ago I read in the German magazine "DER SPIEGEL" writing about organ theft, that an employee of a hospital in the neighborhood of Braun Inc. in Melsungen (chief German organ industry company) had disclosed how organ theft had been perpetrated for years on order of the chief surgeon who was affiliated to the above company. On one occasion, parents wanted to take home from this clinic their son's corpse, who had suffered severe brain injury in a bicycle accident, only to find that nothing was left but the skin stuffed with sawdust.
Is this what it is all behind? One knows very well that politicians are affiliated with influential industrial circles.
The above post brings some good information. But, I think the President and Gov. Bush have done all they could.
In my opinion, this tragedy is a Judicial homicide by our corrupt courts, along with Democrat-commie-pinko-ACLU-NOW-MSM alliance.
If someone asked me, do you want to have grey hair or be fat, I would answer no. I might have said when I was in my 20s that I would rather die than get fat. But now I am 66, grey and fatter than I'd rather be and I don't want to die. Without question, this is a probable crime. I too, was a battered housewife. Never told anyone, not my parents or friends as I hoped it would stop. In those days, the police didn't care, perhaps some of them also battered their wives. It took 7 years to get my divorce, only because I kept hoping for my childrens sake that I could keep the marriage in tact. There is no doubt that the information about the Schiavo's warrants investigation. Can no one get to the right people to insist on an investigation? Is there a statute of limitations on murder?
You may all argue valid points on both sides but,
IT WAS STILL LEGAL MURDER!! Michael is indeed
the WORST HUSBAND since Clinton. He will prosper
from her death no doubt but what is done is done
and Michael, his attorneys and every judge will
answer someday to their creator...AND it doesnt
matter if they believe in God or not...GOD
believes in them!
>>>> I hope they don't leave out Michael Schiavo's November 19, 1993 deposition, page 88, in which Michael Schiavo, a graduate EMT, says that he knows that his wife can feel pain. <<<<
The above link - incedible!
This is the info we need, to pull it all together. So far, the information is too scattered. We need to focus. Any judges, lawyers out there? I am sure. So, let's get the important info together. We can use your help here. Anybody can shed light on why Michael Schiavo has not been arrested for contempt? Was ordered to notify the Schindlers.
Or, how come Prof. of Pubic Health Jay Wolfson has not been charged with neglect of guardian duties?
Thanks for the link.
FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AGREE THE GEORGE W. GREERS RULING WAS MERCILESS, please email all your friends this link:
We can set an example by having Judge George W. Greer impeached for his merciless ruling that allowed this horrendous act to happen. I am posting a link where you can sign the petition to have him removed from the bench. By doing so we will be telling all the other judges that we will NOT stand for this again! WE WILL BE SAYING ALL LIFE IS PRECIOUS TO SOMEONE!!! So far there are over 39,000 signatures! We need millions to get our message across! Please save the next Terri before it is too late. Take time to read the petition and see where Judge Greer failed in helping Terri, AND PLEASE pass this along to family and friends!
I hope that that bastard rots in hell for his unkind and selfish and vindictive nature. I just read what he put on his tomestone. I don't plan on buying any book he has or watching any movies. I won't let him benefit or profit if I can help it.